Three Spurs stars up for sale - who would all improve us

balaks said:
My own personal opinion is that Levy is playing hard ball with Utd because Utd are refusing to sell Martial to us - either there is some movement from Utd or neither transfers happen.
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Pretty sure that suits United though. Alderweireld will leave for 25m next summer but there’s no such obligation on Martial.

As I’ve said before Alderweireld is priced specifically for United. There is no other club that will pay +50m for a 29 year old defender that will cost 25m next summer. Not in the EPL and not in the continent. If United don’t bite no one will.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Didn’t mention Shaw - it’s Young who is a better player than Rose. I really don’t know why anyone would advocate spending £30-50m on Rose. He can’t even get on the pitch for Spurs. I fully expect us to buy a new LB next season, and it won’t be Danny Rose.

There are two good left backs at Fulham and Celtic who we are keeping an eye on.
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Who’s the left back at Fulham? Sessegnon has moved up the pitch now and rightly so.
 
vadimivich said:
You can make that quote work both ways.

Both players are not really in their managers plans, but will be expensive and there's little time left to replace them. My guess is that this swap deal gets done in some form, but only on deadline day.
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United are significantly richer though, and with Martial's age it shouldn't be a problem to get for him 50m next summer providing that he doesn't get injured.

Also, Martial will likely extend his contract. He really needs to be desperate to not do so, considering that being out of contract is very risky. A bad injury and he loses literally tens of millions. Alder has a long contract but next year has a release clause, making him not being at risk of being without contract even if he doesn't extend it. So, I think that United is in a better position with Martial than Spurs with Alder. Add to that, our revenue is more than double of that of Spurs, so we might be willing to risk it a bit more.
 
Bastian said:
Come on people, Alderweireld is not a Spurs reject. Be serious. He's a top class centre back and nothing less.
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He is a top CB, and his intelligence, experience and leadership qualities would be massive for us.
I believe that playing alongside Alderweireld would lead to big improvements in Bailly & Lindelof too.
 
vadimivich said:
You can make that quote work both ways.

Both players are not really in their managers plans, but will be expensive and there's little time left to replace them. My guess is that this swap deal gets done in some form, but only on deadline day.
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Swapping Martial for Toby? :lol:
 
If Spurs really are looking to get rid then surely they must have their eyes on bigger fish. Who have they been linked to and why don't we buy them instead? I'd imagine that most Spurs fans wouldn't be too happy to see all three leave and only Jack Grealish and say another prospect come in. Then again, Winks will be fit again and Poch does have an annoying habit of bringing through at least one solid squad option from their Academy each year.
 
trafford1980 said:
If Spurs really are looking to get rid then surely they must have their eyes on bigger fish. Who have they been linked to and why don't we buy them instead? I'd imagine that most Spurs fans wouldn't be too happy to see all three leave and only Jack Grealish and say another prospect come in. Then again, Winks will be fit again and Poch does have an annoying habit of bringing through at least one solid squad option from their Academy each year.
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Yeah, Poch is great at finding hidden gems be it on academy or signing youth players from other clubs, plus they already have replaced Alder with Sanchez last season (+ Dier can play there). They also have a stadium to finance.

They will buy someone though, assuming that they sell these players. If they can trick United to swap Martial with Alder, it would be a great summer for them conaidering that Martial can become one of their top players very soon.
 
Mainoldo said:
Who’s the left back at Fulham? Sessegnon has moved up the pitch now and rightly so.
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It was, just could not be bothered to look up his name to ensure the spelling was correct.

It’s part of the wider point, that there are options out there, it’s obviously a position we need to improve in the long run. But for this season, we have what we have have - and it won’t be improved by signing Rose.
 
Pouch must be a terrible coach if all these players that he has that would improve us always win nothing and finish below us.

Or maybe, just maybe, it is because a coach who has won the square root of feck all is not quiet as good as a perennial winner like Jose who has won all the major honours with multiple clubs in 4 countries.
 
Alderweireld at a push. Anyone wanting Rose can't have watched him for a while.
 
Toby would improve us. Dembele maybe earlier in the summer if we had not signed Fred. The ship has sailed on Rose, young is a better bet for lb right now.
 
Toby of course, it's a non brainer and we should get him. The other two - meh.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Pouch must be a terrible coach if all these players that he has that would improve us always win nothing and finish below us.

Or maybe, just maybe, it is because a coach who has won the square root of feck all is not quiet as good as a perennial winner like Jose who has won all the major honours with multiple clubs in 4 countries.
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Can you imagine Jose at Spurs with their budget. He’d be telling the fans not to expect Europa league. So no I don’t get your point.
 
Mainoldo said:
Can you imagine Jose at Spurs with their budget. He’d be telling the fans not to expect Europa league. So no I don’t get your point.
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If only he had won an UEFA cup and an UCL with a team that was nowhere near the richest European clubs. You know, 2 trophies more than Poch has won on his career.
 
Mainoldo said:
Can you imagine Jose at Spurs with their budget. He’d be telling the fans not to expect Europa league. So no I don’t get your point.
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The underplaying of Pochettino's good job at Spurs which sometimes occurs on here (usually as some sort of rabid, misguided and bitter attempt at sticking up for Mourinho by comparison) is just silly.

That he even gets criticism for not winning a trophy signals the good job he's done. Spurs have no right to be in the top four at all. Not even close to it.
 
Revan said:
If only he had won an UEFA cup and an UCL with a team that was nowhere near the richest European clubs. You know, 2 trophies more than Poch has won on his career.
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So he won the cup with the best team in Portugal but Poch was suppose to do the same thing with Espanyol and Southampton?

Your not going to win this argument. How's AVB doing these days.
 
Alderweireld - If he is fully fit and over his injuries, yes.
Rose - Not the player he was a couple of years ago, injuries also an issue, much more so than Alderweireld. Young was in at LB in the World Cup ahead of him.
Dembele - Not so long ago he was an absolute stand-out at Spurs, seems to have regressed a little recently, not sure about him, but probably not.
 
Aldeweireld is the only player I'd actively look to bring in from Spurs. We don't need Dembele and Rose isn't the best option we could bring in at left back.
 
Mainoldo said:
So he won the cup with the best team in Portugal but Poch was suppose to do the same thing with Espanyol and Southampton?

Your not going to win this argument. How's AVB doing these days.
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AVB didn't win an UCL though, Mourinho did. And AVB has won more trophies than Pochettino, in fact, pretty much every decent manager has.

Pochettino has been a manager for one decade and has won nothing. Mourinho on his first decade had won 2 UCL, 7 league titles, 1 UEFA cup and many other lesser trophies.

Oh, I think that Benfica were Portugal's top club before Mourinho got Porto.
 
Revan said:
It is really hard to see us selling Martial, especially considering that there is only one week remaining to buy a replacement. He also will cost a lot.

If United offers 50m for Alder and Alder wants out, I think that Levy will have a decision to make. Essentially, is Alder worth 30m for one season (25m loss on transfer + wage)? Spurs are rich nowadays, but not sure that keeping an unhappy player for one extra season, costing you 30m is the right business decision. Still think that this will happen on deadline day, probably for slightly above 50m, which is fair for both sides.
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We can always sell him elsewhere but we want Martial - if Utd don't give us the option then Utd won't get Toby
 
Aldeweireld is a no brainer signing. Would improve our defence massively and can pass on his knowledge to Bailly/Lindelof. I know he's 29 and will have no sell on value but when do we ever get decent money for any of our players? Doesn't matter how old they are, the wages we pay are way over the odds which means we end up getting stuck with players we don't want or we sell at a reduced fee as a sweetener to the buying club just to get the player off the books. The wage structure needs looking at.
 
GolazosRule said:
Rose is a fit because I think it is fair to say on a good day he can still be flawless at the back. He is a national team player and if you wait and gamble to find another Rojo or Darmain, the window will close.

Can you really beat signing Rose for three years? At this point, critics and average pundits would say even Marcelo is washed up based on his age outweighing experience which is an atrocity in this generation, so I won't hesitate to say that is an argument Rose might begin to hear and he should be convinced to sign with United and not have to end up signing at Bournemouth in two years. Come to United.
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Ha good one! We don’t want your crocks
 
balaks said:
We can always sell him elsewhere but we want Martial - if Utd don't give us the option then Utd won't get Toby
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Unless Toby decides to not go somewhere else (which is very possible considering that no other big club is interested on him) and wait one year. Next summer, Spurs cannot do anything about it if United offers 25m.

Toby isn't very rated outside of England and I don't remember him being linked with top European clubs. He couldn't even be a starter at Atletico cause a baby Gimenez was better/preferred, so it is hard to see a foreign club offering 50m for him.
 
robinrooney said:
Aldeweireld is a no brainer signing. Would improve our defence massively and can pass on his knowledge to Bailly/Lindelof. I know he's 29 and will have no sell on value but when do we ever get decent money for any of our players? Doesn't matter how old they are, the wages we pay are way over the odds which means we end up getting stuck with players we don't want or we sell at a reduced fee as a sweetener to the buying club just to get the player off the books. The wage structure needs looking at.
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29 is no age for a defender... you can still get at least 3 great years out of him easily.

So yeah, like many have said, Alderweireld is the only one really. Dembele is obviously still a good player, but that would sacrifice game time for Andreas... and I don't think Rose is better then Ashley Young....
 
Red Katie said:
Do you think he'll go?
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No idea, tbh. We're in a bit of a mess because if we do sell him we will have to replace him, and with who? We've left it very late if we are going to sell. Then again, playing the whole season again with a cb who the fans know wants out, who Pochettino might not play if he's not mentally ready? Doesn't seem a great solution either.

I think we've tried to play the situation to our advantage and come off worse, and now I honestly don't know what we will decide to do.
 
Revan said:
AVB didn't win an UCL though, Mourinho did. And AVB has won more trophies than Pochettino, in fact, pretty much every decent manager has.

Pochettino has been a manager for one decade and has won nothing. Mourinho on his first decade had won 2 UCL, 7 league titles, 1 UEFA cup and many other lesser trophies.

Oh, I think that Benfica were Portugal's top club before Mourinho got Porto.
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He won the Europa league though with a Porto side just like Mourinho however no one is looking for him to take over here are they?

Every decent manager like who? At the end of the day he's doing a great job for Spurs competing with teams like in no other league. If he was the manger of Bayern Munich or PSG i'm sure he would have titles to his name.

Did Benfica spend money like Porto at the time? Not gone back to confirm but i wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho was yet again in charge of the club with the most funds (Porto had a good business model and still do). I'm not taking nothing away from Mourinho by the way his track record is incredible.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
No idea, tbh. We're in a bit of a mess because if we do sell him we will have to replace him, and with who? We've left it very late if we are going to sell. Then again, playing the whole season again with a cb who the fans know wants out, who Pochettino might not play if he's not mentally ready? Doesn't seem a great solution either.

I think we've tried to play the situation to our advantage and come off worse, and now I honestly don't know what we will decide to do.
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Take 50m and invest on an attacker, it seems the best solution. Vertonghen, Sanchez and Dier should be good enough for CB positions, they showed it last season.

Otherwise, try to convince for another time Alder to sign the new contract with a bigger salary increase but no release clause.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
No idea, tbh. We're in a bit of a mess because if we do sell him we will have to replace him, and with who? We've left it very late if we are going to sell. Then again, playing the whole season again with a cb who the fans know wants out, who Pochettino might not play if he's not mentally ready? Doesn't seem a great solution either.

I think we've tried to play the situation to our advantage and come off worse, and now I honestly don't know what we will decide to do.
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Thanks! I'd like him at United but as you say, very little time left now.
 
Paying above £40m for Toby, this late in the transfer window is madness quite frankly.

Spurs thinking they'll get Martial in a swap deal, or any deal less than £80m is also madness.
 
Revan said:
Unless Toby decides to not go somewhere else (which is very possible considering that no other big club is interested on him) and wait one year. Next summer, Spurs cannot do anything about it if United offers 25m.

Toby isn't very rated outside of England and I don't remember him being linked with top European clubs. He couldn't even be a starter at Atletico cause a baby Gimenez was better/preferred, so it is hard to see a foreign club offering 50m for him.
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Well that's up to him - we have Sanchez who will be playing ahead of him this season anyway so if he wants to waste a year of his career at the age he is and hope that clubs will still be interested next summer then that's fair enough. Now is the best chance he has at getting a big contract elsewhere - waiting a season with little football inbetween is taking a huge risk. He wants one big final contract to see out his career.
 
As others have said, only Toby would improve us
 
Mainoldo said:
He won the Europa league though with a Porto side just like Mourinho however no one is looking for him to take over here are they?

Every decent manager like who? At the end of the day he's doing a great job for Spurs competing with teams like in no other league. If he was the manger of Bayern Munich or PSG i'm sure he would have titles to his name.

Did Benfica spend money like Porto at the time? Not gone back to confirm but i wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho was yet again in charge of the club with the most funds (Porto had a good business model and still do). I'm not taking nothing away from Mourinho by the way his track record is incredible.
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1) Again you're ignoring that he won UCL, not only UEFA cup with Porto. No one is looking for Poch to take over some big club, right?

2) Spalleti, Ranieri, Jardim, Emeri etc. Good but not elite managers. He is doing a good job, but has stagnated and should have won something so far (be it the title on Leicester season, or FA Cup last season). I don't remember a single manager who won nothing on his first decade and then later started winning a lot. It just doesn't happen, in fact most of achievements happen on the first decade.

3) I have no idea if they spent more than Benfica or not, but I know that they didn't make big signings. And for sure, there were multiple European clubs who spent much more than them.
 
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