Should sign Alderweireld, other 2 aren't good enough or fit enough.
Three Spurs stars up for sale - who would all improve us
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Rose is not a good left back. Honestly wouldnt swap Shaw or Young for him at the moment.
Dembele is decent but we're more than well covered in midfield right now.
Dembele is decent but we're more than well covered in midfield right now.
If you build the team over the long run, Rose is still not a bad prospect to fill in for Young if he misses a game. Sure Toby is exciting, but if Harry Maguire comes up next summer we won't miss not signing Alderweireld from back in 2018, I think.
Alderweireld is the obvious one to bring in now that Maguire isn't coming. Not sure why we're hesitating. Maybe Spurs are asking for something unreasonable?
Tottenham have let it be known that three of their players, two of which are in the final year of their contracts and are quibbling over a new deal, are up for sale.
All three would improve us. They are Belgium international defender Toby Alderweireld, 31-year-old midfielder Mousa Dembele, who we should have got in when Fulham were after Berbatov, and left back Danny Rose.
All three, for me, are potential starting first team players when fit!
With just a week to till the transfer window shuts, it seems to me that this is being put out there, because Spurs need the money to get in players.
If Woodward played his cards right, there are decent deals here for us.
Alderweireld, who was 29 in March, has a clause to extend it until 2020, which would also trigger a £25m release clause. Dembele is also in the final year of his contract.
Danny Rose, 28, signed a five-year-contract in 2016 but has previously let it be known that he wants to leave Spurs to play for a northern team.
There is something fundamentally broken about some United fans.
If those 3 are United players, fans will want them sold, either because they're too old or injury prone. But since they're not United players, same fans will want them in the squad.
Something of it can be attributed to a little downturn in our performance post-Fergie. When successful the team ( that includes fans ) acts like a team and when faced with difficulties doubts start to appear. Faith in the players and the team start to shake.
Hesitating? We have been all over him. It is Levy's unrealistic 70 million valuation that is forcing us to look elsewhere.
Is it the same fans? Can you qualify that with some examples? It would be interesting to see if that is indeed the case. Otherwise it is your argument that is fundamentally broken.
From reading the 46 odd posts in this thread, it's pretty obvious the the majority do not want Dembele & Rose. And more than the age, it is because of questions about their quality and injury records.
Alderweireld is a yes. The other two are a hard no. Dembele is a player I have admired for a long time. Fantastic footballer. But aside from Father Time and injuries catching up with him. We just have an abundance of options there. He’ll make a great signing for someone though. Probably a Serie A team.
Rose has been awful post injury. If he was cheap, say 10m (yes, that’s cheap now), i would take a punt. Because if he rediscovers form and fitness he’d solve a big problem for us. But it’s a huge if, and Levy is a world class cnut, so he’ll probably want 50m for that crock.
Rose has been awful post injury. If he was cheap, say 10m (yes, that’s cheap now), i would take a punt. Because if he rediscovers form and fitness he’d solve a big problem for us. But it’s a huge if, and Levy is a world class cnut, so he’ll probably want 50m for that crock.
Post Fergie? give me a break. Do you want the number of times people cried on here criticizing players like Carrick and hope to heavens for Dembele? Don't get be started with those that thought Clyne, Huddlestone, Pastore will be massive improvements to the squad.
I don't want Rose or Dembele anywhere near the club. Especially Dembele as Dembele means less games for players like Andreas Pereira.
Alderweireld YES PLEASE!
Alderweireld YES PLEASE!
Only Alder. Still think that he is the best CB in the league.
We are stacked in midfield, and Rose is not good anymore.
We are stacked in midfield, and Rose is not good anymore.
Only Alderweireld would improve us from those three.
Rose and Alderwereld. Would help us switch Young to the right, solving our right flank problem and would bag us the alpha CB in the league
Actually, There is PLENTY of point to it though. He'd free up Young to solve our right flank problem either at full back or right wing for starters......
Yeah but Shaw and Rose could alternate being injured to give us one seasons worth of a left back
I would take Alderweireld in a heartbeat, I don’t think Dembele and Rose are worth a hassle. Rose would be fine for extra depth I guess but he wouldn’t really improve us much.
Rose is still recovering from an injury hit season. He still got selected for England dispite this, ahead of Shaw. If Jose could give him 10 games we could solve our LB problem.
I think all 3 could be good additions to the team, they would provide depth and cover. Alderweireld definitely as a first team upgrade and also rose to provide cover for young as shaw doesn’t have a chance of convincing mourinho he’s good enough to play. Demebele was a beast in some big games for spurs last season and I would rather he came on than felliani.
We should shift out Herrera, Jones, Rojo and Darmian from the team if we added these 3 in. Although it seems they are spurs rejects, 2 of them don’t want to be at spurs and as such are unhappy rather than being not good enough. With Dembele I’m not sure what his motivation is about staying or going, perhaps after more games
We should shift out Herrera, Jones, Rojo and Darmian from the team if we added these 3 in. Although it seems they are spurs rejects, 2 of them don’t want to be at spurs and as such are unhappy rather than being not good enough. With Dembele I’m not sure what his motivation is about staying or going, perhaps after more games
Alderweireld is a definite improvement and Rose might be worth the gamble but only if we got him for cheap! But we aren't ever getting him for cheap.
The only one I would just pay whatever it takes to get him is Alderweireld. I not too bothered really about the other two.
The only one I would just pay whatever it takes to get him is Alderweireld. I not too bothered really about the other two.
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Utd don’t need to be taking risks on injured players, it’s rarely worked out. He’s not a player who has been consistently fantastic throughout his career. He had a great 18 months that’s it - he’s 28. Would not touch him with a barge pole.
Toby - obviously, and it’s clear we have been trying to strike a deal all summer.
Anyone who wants us to buy Dembele or Rose is just desperate for us to sign anyone - we have better options at the club already. Jones doesn’t need anymore friends on the treatment table, he can use FaceTime instead.
I like this place goes mental at the idea of taking Real Madrid "rejects" yet will happily take Spurs ones.
I'd take Toby, if Slabhead really isn't going to happen. But literally have zero interest in the other two, best days are behind them.
I'd take Toby, if Slabhead really isn't going to happen. But literally have zero interest in the other two, best days are behind them.
I'm with the thread consensus, in that I wouldn't say no to Alderweireld but have doubts over the other two. I'd be more tempted to take a punt on Rose than Dembele as our fullback options are threadbare, but neither have been impressive recently.
For once, united fans on the cafe agree on something haha.
i'll join this: Yes to Alderweireld. No to the other two. Young is way better than Rose right now and we're stocked in midfield, Dembele would be a pointless signing.
i'll join this: Yes to Alderweireld. No to the other two. Young is way better than Rose right now and we're stocked in midfield, Dembele would be a pointless signing.
Very true. The way he controls, glides and protects using his body is second to none - except for Pogba maybe. However, Dembele uses these skills more defensively for the team, whereas Pogba often does it before unleashing a killer long pass across the pitch. You literally can’t take the ball away from these guys when they’re shielding it.
Only problem with Dembele is that he dwells a bit too much on the ball once he glides through the midfield block. Often a second or two too many, not passing to the first player on either side. Very good player, ruined by injuries
It’s quite strange - having a concensus on here!
There is indeed something that is broken alright.
For the last few weeks so many have been wanting us to sign Toby but now that Spurs might be willing to sell, suddenly he does not seem so attractive. During the World Cup I remember quite a few on here were advocating playing Rose at LB instead of Young but now opinions seem to have changed without any football being played.
Not really. It’s about improving the team in the best possible way. Otherwise I’d be for getting Mina.
What Rose would add is balance down the left without cutting back. He’s clearly not at the level he was but I feel that’s more to match fitness than anything else. He still gets in good positions he’s just not on the ball like at his peak. But like I said, that would come with match practice. Rather we take a risk with him than any other left back in the league.
I’d rather stick with what we have got - we have not got the luxury of rehabilitating players and giving them match practice in the hope they might regain some sort of form. We are Manachester United - and we certainly should not for be doing it for Danny Rose. I don’t mind having a punt on the likes of Falcao, where the payoff could have been immense, but not for a left back whose only been decent for 18 months in his entire career.
Still think Alderweireld would be a great buy but I also fear that once we are involved Levy will quadruple his asking price.
As a Spurs fan the only one I won't be sad to see go is Rose, too much baggage and uses Press too much to air his views.
Toby is pure class
MD - not replaceable so hope we can squeeze one more year out of him, he is a beast.
Toby is pure class
MD - not replaceable so hope we can squeeze one more year out of him, he is a beast.
We have to sign alderwereld this summer or we obviously won't get him at all. Levy will simply sell overseas
Alderweireld should be signed over the rumoured Maguire or Mina. I think Rose would be too much of a risk now. The safer risk is for us to try Luke Shaw for the season and see if it works, as Rose would still cost in excess of £30million and could turn out to be roughly the same as Shaw (especially if injuries continue). Dembele, while good, would have been an expensive bench warmer as Levy will demand a pretty high fee for him. With Fellaini re-signing, Herrera likely to be in and out of the team (should be Fred/Pogba/Matic in most big games in the future I think) and possibly the likes of McTominay and Pereira not going on loan, we just won't be in the market for someone like Dembele. He doesn't really improve us. Alderweireld clearly does and Rose could be hit or miss.
The same 18 to 24 months your example was about red hot for yeah? Except for being fast and strong Luke Shaw has never proved to be a great attacking full back.. the reason I mention Rose is because he can actually do something in the final third. If we gave Luke Shaw the same amount of time he still wouldn’t improve his delivery or ability to play the correct pass when it matters. We might be Manchester United but right about now we are unwilling to spend £50m on a LB which we actually need. So if this makes business sense to those that run the club it’s worth doing.
My own personal opinion is that Levy is playing hard ball with Utd because Utd are refusing to sell Martial to us - either there is some movement from Utd or neither transfers happen.
It is really hard to see us selling Martial, especially considering that there is only one week remaining to buy a replacement. He also will cost a lot.
If United offers 50m for Alder and Alder wants out, I think that Levy will have a decision to make. Essentially, is Alder worth 30m for one season (25m loss on transfer + wage)? Spurs are rich nowadays, but not sure that keeping an unhappy player for one extra season, costing you 30m is the right business decision. Still think that this will happen on deadline day, probably for slightly above 50m, which is fair for both sides.
Will be gutted when Dembele moves on, one of the best footballers I have ever seen. Watching him live is bewitching, he just glides around the pitch with the ball like he's facing U-15s or something - opponents just bounce off of him or never get close.
He's older and his body is completely broken down, so I understand why he wants one final contract and Spurs don't want to be the ones paying it ... but he's been a special, special player and a huge part of Spurs revival in recent years. Going to really miss watching him in a lilywhite shirt.
He's older and his body is completely broken down, so I understand why he wants one final contract and Spurs don't want to be the ones paying it ... but he's been a special, special player and a huge part of Spurs revival in recent years. Going to really miss watching him in a lilywhite shirt.
Didn’t mention Shaw - it’s Young who is a better player than Rose. I really don’t know why anyone would advocate spending £30-50m on Rose. He can’t even get on the pitch for Spurs. I fully expect us to buy a new LB next season, and it won’t be Danny Rose.
There are two good left backs at Fulham and Celtic who we are keeping an eye on.
You can make that quote work both ways.
Both players are not really in their managers plans, but will be expensive and there's little time left to replace them. My guess is that this swap deal gets done in some form, but only on deadline day.
Just Toby please Woody.
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