Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

[croadyman]

Absolutely horrible choice and another two years down the drain if we go with Tuchel.

OK so if Erik goes who should be appointed?

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

If the rumors are true and ten Hag is going to leave then I really hope we will go for Tuchel. I wanted Klopp before he joined Liverpool and after that Tuchel was always the one for me.
He gets less praise because of his personality but I remember that back then his Dortmund side was valued higher overall than under Klopp's reign.
We have tried the step-up thing with Moyes, Ole und ten Hag. I didn't work.
Also the old guard with Mourinho and LvG was not really a success.
Tuchel has the perfect age, a lot of experience but still in his peak and young enough to build something if given the time.
A no-brainer for me.

 

[croadyman]

If the rumors are true and ten Hag is going to leave then I really hope we will go for Tuchel. I wanted Klopp before he joined Liverpool and after that Tuchel was always the one for me.
He gets less praise because of his personality but I remember that back then his Dortmund side was valued higher overall than under Klopp's reign.
We have tried the step-up thing with Moyes, Ole und ten Hag. I didn't work.
Also the old guard with Mourinho and LvG was not really a success.
Tuchel has the perfect age, a lot of experience but still in his peak and young enough to build something if given the time.
A no-brainer for me.

Would be my top choice but convinced INEOS will just see him as too much like Mourinho in terms of character. Personally I don’t see the harm in appointing him for a couple of seasons then go and get Alonso/Nagelsmann

 

[Zoo]

 

[croadyman]

My top target but the concerns about him are merited

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[croadyman]

Daily Fail not exactly known for their reliability

 

[Rajiztar]

If the rumors are true and ten Hag is going to leave then I really hope we will go for Tuchel. I wanted Klopp before he joined Liverpool and after that Tuchel was always the one for me.
He gets less praise because of his personality but I remember that back then his Dortmund side was valued higher overall than under Klopp's reign.
We have tried the step-up thing with Moyes, Ole und ten Hag. I didn't work.
Also the old guard with Mourinho and LvG was not really a success.
Tuchel has the perfect age, a lot of experience but still in his peak and young enough to build something if given the time.
A no-brainer for me.

What man utd trying to develop the structure with background staffs like technical director and technical team who holds all the power in transfer but head coach who is willing to work with what he got then tuchel is your best choice. Don't involve in first team and decision making is all he wanted once pre-season started.

He loved the way marina and Roman operated at chelsea. He expressed many times that way of working environment suited him best.

 

[dinostar77]

How many other managers who are available have won as many trophies as tuchel?

Serial trophy winners have standards, if those standards aren't being met then players who aren't up to the challenge normally find themselves out of favour. It's what we need, to get the club back to the standards that serial winners demand.

1X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER

20/21

Chelsea FC

1X FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CHAMPION

22/23

Bayern Munich

2X FRENCH CHAMPION

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

1X UEFA SUPERCUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CUP WINNER

16/17

Borussia Dortmund

1X FRENCH CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

1X FRENCH LEAGUE CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

2X FRENCH SUPER CUP WINNER

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

 

[Ubik]

How many other managers who are available have won as many trophies as tuchel?

Serial trophy winners have standards, if those standards aren't being met then players who aren't up to the challenge normally find themselves out of favour. It's what we need, to get the club back to the standards that serial winners demand.

1X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER

20/21

Chelsea FC

1X FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CHAMPION

22/23

Bayern Munich

2X FRENCH CHAMPION

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

1X UEFA SUPERCUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CUP WINNER

16/17

Borussia Dortmund

1X FRENCH CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

1X FRENCH LEAGUE CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

2X FRENCH SUPER CUP WINNER

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

I mean, if we're deciding based on who can win cups...

 

[dinostar77]

I mean, if we're deciding based on who can win cups...

3 league trophies in that list. Of managers who are available at the moment. Only Allegri has more 6 x league titles.

Would still have tuchel over Allegri, as tuchel has won trophies in 3 different countries and leagues in 2 different countries.

 

[Wilt]

Tuchel qualifying 3 CL semifinals with 3 different clubs is impressive

 

[Kaos]

I'll be honest, if he plays that back 5 nonsense I wouldn't want him.

 

[DutchSerb]

I'll be honest, if he plays that back 5 nonsense I wouldn't want him.

Yup. So boring to watch. Also problematic since we need to have two world class wingbacks to make it work, while we already need to adress the CB, DM and CF positions with limited money as I read it. AWB is absolutely not going to cut it in that role, Shaw and Malacia are hardly available, Dalot could do it but he's no Davies/Frimpong/Dumfries.

 

[VP89]

How many other managers who are available have won as many trophies as tuchel?

Serial trophy winners have standards, if those standards aren't being met then players who aren't up to the challenge normally find themselves out of favour. It's what we need, to get the club back to the standards that serial winners demand.

1X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER

20/21

Chelsea FC

1X FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CHAMPION

22/23

Bayern Munich

2X FRENCH CHAMPION

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

1X UEFA SUPERCUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CUP WINNER

16/17

Borussia Dortmund

1X FRENCH CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

1X FRENCH LEAGUE CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

2X FRENCH SUPER CUP WINNER

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

Implodes every 2 years. Categorically not what we need. Also wet the bed at Bayern. It's not even like we have a bad cup manager here, he's much better than average in fact.

 

[Leão]

We should be ruthless like Real Madrid, Tuchel is a top 5 coach in the world, it is a no brainer to sign him as the next manager.

 

[Drainy]

He's the only coach we're linked with that is comparable with ETH. If the new ownership want a reset its surely him.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

This is the guy if ETH is indeed sacked. He can be a volatile character at times but is far less of a risk than the other names being mentioned.

 

[Spark]

Agree with others in that he is the only coach worth replacing ETH with, of those available and linked.

Poch, no way. Awful season off the back of a few years of mediocrity.

McKenna, not yet/fully unproven at the highest level.

Southgate, must be a wind up.

That said, I still don’t think Tuchel is worth replacing ETH with. I’m ETH in.

 

[dinostar77]

Implodes every 2 years. Categorically not what we need. Also wet the bed at Bayern. It's not even like we have a bad cup manager here, he's much better than average in fact.

He's exactly what we need. High demands,high standards. 2-3 seasons is enough. It works for the likes of Bayern,Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea etc. Why not us? The "long term" manager idea only works if a manager has success and decides to stay on.

 

[VP89]

He's exactly what we need. High demands,high standards. 2-3 seasons is enough. It works for the likes of Bayern,Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea etc. Why not us? The "long term" manager idea only works if a manager has success and decides to stay on.

Ten Hag has high demands and high standards too. Tuchel wet the bed massively at Bayern just now and finished 3rd with early cup exit domestically (same last year if I'm not mistaken). He's also a lot more abrasive and known to be difficult to work with.

 

[dinostar77]

Ten Hag has high demands and high standards too. Tuchel wet the bed massively at Bayern just now and finished 3rd with early cup exit domestically (same last year if I'm not mistaken). He's also a lot more abrasive and known to be difficult to work with.

Ten Hag "high standards" haven't been seen all season. Selecting players even when they have been poor again and again.

 

[VP89]

Ten Hag "high standards" haven't been seen all season. Selecting players even when they have been poor again and again.

Nor did Tuchel for Bayern last season. Ten hag still won a cup though and this time people can't bitch about his run to the final or the opposition. What's your point.

 

[Stadjer]

Ten Hag has high demands and high standards too. Tuchel wet the bed massively at Bayern just now and finished 3rd with early cup exit domestically (same last year if I'm not mistaken). He's also a lot more abrasive and known to be difficult to work with.

Knocked out in the cup by a third division team actually. ETH atleast won against a Coventry from the Championship!

But if ETH is sacked, Tuchel seems to be the most logical option as replacement. Eventhough he will only last 2/3 years, maybe win a cup and qualify for the CL. I think ETH can do that too if he has a fit squad.

 

[Trigg]

How many other managers who are available have won as many trophies as tuchel?

Serial trophy winners have standards, if those standards aren't being met then players who aren't up to the challenge normally find themselves out of favour. It's what we need, to get the club back to the standards that serial winners demand.

1X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER

20/21

Chelsea FC

1X FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CHAMPION

22/23

Bayern Munich

2X FRENCH CHAMPION

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

1X UEFA SUPERCUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CUP WINNER

16/17

Borussia Dortmund

1X FRENCH CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

1X FRENCH LEAGUE CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

2X FRENCH SUPER CUP WINNER

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

Not sure that is as impressive has you think it is. Winning with Bayern and PSG aren't a good measuring stick...

 

[VP89]

Knocked out in the cup by a third division team actually. ETH atleast won against a Coventry from the Championship!

But if ETH is sacked, Tuchel seems to be the most logical option as replacement. Eventhough he will only last 2/3 years, maybe win a cup and qualify for the CL. I think ETH can do that too if he has a fit squad.

Third division!!
And he came 3rd in a two house league.

 

[dinostar77]

Nor did Tuchel for Bayern last season. Ten hag still won a cup though and this time people can't bitch about his run to the final or the opposition. What's your point.

Tuchel won the league with Bayern last season and this season just gone, they may have fecked up but scored 94 goals.

He can put a high effective attacking team together. It's him or Poch as our next manager

 

[VP89]

Tuchel won the league with Bayern last season and this season just gone, they may have fecked up but scored 94 goals.

He can put a high effective attacking team together. It's him or Poch as our next manager

Its the Bundasliga and he came third in a two horse race and wet the bed in domestic cups again, this time to a third division side. Please there was no high standard, or he would have demonstrated it.


He also scraped Bundasliga after dortmund fecked it on the final day, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Stadjer]

Not sure that is as impressive has you think it is. Winning with Bayern and PSG aren't a good measuring stick...

His German title also was more a result of Dortmund losing it than Bayern winning it. He was very lucky to win in the end.

Tuchel his CL runs are impressive. Winning it with Chelsea and bringing PSG to the final is very good. Bringing Bayern to the semi final this year was also a good performance but ETH also managed to get to the semi final with Ajax.

Tuchel his resume isnt that much more impressive than ETH his.

 

[stefan92]

Its the Bundasliga and he came third in a two horse race

It's kind of hilarious to call the Bundesliga a two horse race, referring to Bayern and Dortmund, when these two finished third and fifth this season. That description fit the league last season and in several other seasons, but not all the time and surely not this year.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Bookies still have McKenna as the overwhelming favorite, followed by Pochettino and then Tuchel. So they don't seem to be buying into these rumors.

 

[DJ_21]

How many other managers who are available have won as many trophies as tuchel?

Serial trophy winners have standards, if those standards aren't being met then players who aren't up to the challenge normally find themselves out of favour. It's what we need, to get the club back to the standards that serial winners demand.

1X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER

20/21

Chelsea FC

1X FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CHAMPION

22/23

Bayern Munich

2X FRENCH CHAMPION

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

1X UEFA SUPERCUP WINNER

21/22

Chelsea FC

1X GERMAN CUP WINNER

16/17

Borussia Dortmund

1X FRENCH CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

1X FRENCH LEAGUE CUP WINNER

19/20

Paris Saint-Germain

2X FRENCH SUPER CUP WINNER

19/20	Paris Saint-Germain
18/19	Paris Saint-Germain

Thought it wasn’t all about trophy’s though. We’re trying to create an identity, a style of play. I don’t recall Tuchel doing that at any club? He plays different ways depending on opponents.

 

[united_99]

Do not want. Negative, boring, cautious football with some occasional success. Rather keep ETH if Tuchel is the alternative.

 

[VP89]

It's kind of hilarious to call the Bundesliga a two horse race, referring to Bayern and Dortmund, when these two finished third and fifth this season. That description fit the league last season and in several other seasons, but not all the time and surely not this year.

Yeah, because of Tuchel.

Tell me when Bayern last failed to win the Bundasliga. Then tell me when they last finished out of top 2. Then please explain how the league is not a two horse race with Bayern and one other.

 

[stefan92]

Yeah, because of Tuchel.

Tell me when Bayern last failed to win the Bundasliga. Then tell me when they last finished out of top 2. Then please explain how the league is not a two horse race with Bayern and one other.

Stuttgart was relatively close to Bayern during the full season and early on to Bayer. It's absolutely fair to call it a three horse race and does them injustice if you don't include them. When Stuttgart and Bayer met in the cup Deniz Undav claimed that that was the meeting of the two best teams in Germany and a lot of people agreed. He double down on that statement in a hilarious interview after the final league match, but anyway, point is, Stuttgart has to be acknowledged as an absolute top team in this season, together with Bayern and Bayer. Everybody else clearly was a level below those three.

But I agree, if you define it as "Bayern and someone else" it fits most seasons. I often see people on here thinking only Bayern and Dortmund are relevant and ignore that quite often other teams are better than Dortmund. I wrongly assumed you would be one of them, I'm sorry for that.

 

[dinostar77]

Do not want. Negative, boring, cautious football with some occasional success. Rather keep ETH if Tuchel is the alternative.

How is 94 league goals this season, boring negative football?

 

[united_99]

How is 94 league goals this season, boring negative football?

Really don’t care about his season with Bayern. Watched him with Chelsea and don’t want that stuff at United. Was worth it for Chelsea due to the CL win just like DiMatteo but don’t see him replicating it with United.

 

[stefan92]

Really don’t care about his season with Bayern. Watched him with Chelsea and don’t want that stuff at United.

Chelsea was his most negative setup. No reason to expect that that would be his blueprint if he takes over United.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Really don’t care about his season with Bayern. Watched him with Chelsea and don’t want that stuff at United. Was worth it for Chelsea due to the CL win just like DiMatteo but don’t see him replicating it with United.

Chelsea was his most negative setup. No reason to expect that that would be his blueprint if he takes over United.

Also we weren't actually negative but just couldn't finish anything. Reece James was by far our best and most consistent finisher under Tuchel which should tell you everything you need to know. The football was excellent.

 

[pocco]

Also we weren't actually negative but just couldn't finish anything. Reece James was by far our best and most consistent finisher under Tuchel which should tell you everything you need to know. The football was excellent.

Let's not allow the opinion of someone, who actually watched his football every week, get in the way of things...

Or any of the stats about his teams. Or the typical tactics he has employed at most clubs, or the trophies he's won. None of that matters. We just need to keep ETH and everyone else gets dismissed by people who don't know what they're talking about.