Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)
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I've seen a lot of my Chelsea supporting friends/colleagues be pissed at this decision.
However, if you look at the results since mid of last season, Chelsea have hardly looked like a team looking to achieve great things. I believe his record in the last 25 games was worse than the record Lampard had in his last 25 when he was sacked. Most of your underlyings, I believe, have been trending downwards. Add to that, your defenders are basically your goalscorers, or in other words, the tactics going forward don't seem to be sustainable.
Of course, the transfer window seemed like a mess where it looked like Boehly was acting like a 5 year old kid in candy shop, but if you remove emotion out of all of it, it's not the most unreasonable decision, certainly not something I'd not expect from Chelsea
However, if you look at the results since mid of last season, Chelsea have hardly looked like a team looking to achieve great things. I believe his record in the last 25 games was worse than the record Lampard had in his last 25 when he was sacked. Most of your underlyings, I believe, have been trending downwards. Add to that, your defenders are basically your goalscorers, or in other words, the tactics going forward don't seem to be sustainable.
Of course, the transfer window seemed like a mess where it looked like Boehly was acting like a 5 year old kid in candy shop, but if you remove emotion out of all of it, it's not the most unreasonable decision, certainly not something I'd not expect from Chelsea
Jaysus they're 6th after 6 games and 3 pts outside the top 4 all while being without a recognised striker which is hardly Tuchel's fault. Seems a bizarre decision so early in the season.
Strange how some are criticising Arsenal for being patient with Arteta now that it looks like he might be successful with his project.
Unsure if he will want them in Jan. They’ll probably be in the Europa by then.
The thing is it's worth sticking just that extra bit longer with a manager as proven as Tuchel. He might be able to turn it around.
I would argue that the potential replacements i.e. Poch or Potter are at best sideways moves or at worse downright inferior to Tuchel. Just can't see them winning the league over the likes of Klopp or Pep.
The only sacking Roman made that was truly knee-jerk was Ancelotti. All the other sackings turned out to be the correct decisions.
To be fair to Tuchel he was having to manage a club that was under constant restrictions when it was clear Abramovich was going to have to sell.
Why? That's just the nature of a football manager's job. You work a few years, get sacked, and move on to the next gig.
Not sure why everyone here is acting like Chelsea is different in that regard.
Klopp is next
There were reports that he made his final decision after a talk with Rangnick, yes. But I don't think that means that he was truly on board before that, to me it sounded more like he did his due diligence by talking to a trusted advisor who worked with Ronaldo before.
Trouble causer. Asking the players their opinions behind the coaches back and this causes distrust and a toxic mentality.
This is the weirdest sacking.
Probably a topic for a sperate thread but i do wonder why players dont have clauses in their contracts allowng them to leave if the manager gets sacked. Example aubumeyang, came to chelsea because of tuchel and now hes gone. Less than few days after he signed for the club.
Im sure ive heard of it in NFL, that if the head coach is sacked, some players ask for a clause that then allows them to go free agency at the end of the season.
As much as Chelsea harp on about the signings being chosen by the club and not tuchel. They have hamstrung the next manager with a reduced budget and players he potentially doesnt want.
Im sure ive heard of it in NFL, that if the head coach is sacked, some players ask for a clause that then allows them to go free agency at the end of the season.
As much as Chelsea harp on about the signings being chosen by the club and not tuchel. They have hamstrung the next manager with a reduced budget and players he potentially doesnt want.
I've always said that the Arsenal job is the easiest in world football. You don't even have to be competent. Any manager if they want stability, would kill for Arteta's job.
He's a great snake oil salesman
Arteta's finished 8th twice I think. He may have only finished 5th/6th once. In any event I don't think he's ever going to win us the league. I see him more Rodgers/Lampard than a Klopp. I wish we'd go and snap up Graham Potter before Chelsea ruin him.
How do you know there aren't such clauses? But maybe most players just go for a general release clause to be safe against any circumstances?
I hope he stays at Brighhton, doing really brilliant there!
Ahh ok, thanks for clarifying.
To me it seems like disagreement with his boss ended his Chelsea career more than falling out with players. From a result or sport perspective it was definitely to early to fire him. Boehly just waited for an opportunity to get rid of him of personal reasons.
Social media land saying players not posted any “thanks” messages apart from Fofana putting a pic of Tuchel up
If this is true, any manager join under this circumstances is mad. Sound like a meddling owner trying to make a name in football world.
Utter rubbish that, the form of so many players under him compared to under Lampard was massively different. Someone like Rudiger played his best football under Tuchel
That is absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted, to be fair.
How is it? Not seeing someone like Rudigers strengths? Literally the first thing he did was move to a back 5 after Lampard playing a back 4
Of the Lampard, Ole, Arteta trio that took up their respective jobs close-ish to each other, I never saw much that separated the three of them (And still haven't really), yet Ole and Lampard are gone and Arteta remains
They said that in Tuchel’s head his players are never good enough and it gets worse as time passes. Something we’ve seen in numerous jobs in numerous countries.
The comparison was even made with Conte, who despite being very good and getting tunes out of many players, never feels it’s enough.
Well that's not how I read that post
Well if they think Potter's football is more suited to Ronaldo they are in for a surprise.
Wow. So if Potter has a £16M buy out and does join, that change of management would cost £30M!
It’s ridiculous isn’t it
Must be the most expensive sacking ever?
Not only that but that £30m could have been used to sort out their issues in forward areas
He may have a perfectionist mentality, and this doesn't translate well to others - especially nowadays.
It's almost like it's easier to get a higher win ratio at a giant with unlimited funds, than a relative minnow club
@WeePat isn't a gloryhunter or fickle. He has experienced Claude Julien and Michel Therrien.
god don’t remind me of fecking TherrienNot necessarily. Very much depends on how the manager handles big names and sets up the side.
This happened at the worst time. If they had done it few weeks before we could have got rid of our CR7 problem. If this would have happened 4 weeks later Chelsea would have been out of the top 4 race. Todd can't do anything right.
I do believe this sacking is a little bit premature given what Tuchel has achieved so far with Chelsea. Even Abramovich was more sensible, but we'll see - it might turn okay for Chelsea or it might go horribly wrong.
Isn't this just rumours? Because it is even more stupid by them if that was true. Let managers be managers.
It’s nothing to do with nowadays, he’s simply incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
Surely Chelsea should have gotten their structure in place before sacking the manager and appointing a new one. Particularly if they are looking for a long term option. Get your football people in position and have them make the football decisions.
They seem to be doing things the Ed Woodward way right now.
They seem to be doing things the Ed Woodward way right now.
Will definitely laugh at Chelsea when this inevitably backfires. That Boehly guy doesn't seem to be particularly knowledgeable. Sounds like Chelsea's very own glazer