Thomas Meunier

Loublaze said:
You make it seem like only your opinion counts :lol:. He didn't make it in the end, but many had contradicting appraisals of his talent and skills.

2 assists for Croskery's goals vs. Everton made it 9 assists for him already this season.Coming along nicely.

He would be perfect for the wing-back role I reckon.Has pace,skills,engine and good close control.Defensively decent and isn't one-dimensional in attack like Valencia.He's a good RW as well but not good enough to make a top career out of it.

I was saying in the last game that I think he's a better prospect than Janko.Same attributes but Janko looks quite a headless chicken at times (not saying he can't improve on that).Look forward to see how he develops in the next few years.

His all round play and delivery into the box from wide areas, was brilliant yesterday. He plays really positively, gets us on the front foot and is difficult for the opposition to handle.

Gets more convincing with every game I see. Would love to see a real old fashioned winger like him come through in some ways

He's big and quick but is pretty light footed when moving with the ball, very comfortable debut.

Plays like the Andreas Pereira of fullbacks.

liked that debut a lot, CBJ's main threat has been his crossing, I believe, this guy could be his pace. Looks super quick. May be worth throwing him against midgetland; as I reckon CBJ will start against the Arse.

Really like the look of him. Seems to have intelligence to go with his physical attributes. Made some promising runs but Memphis etc didn't spot him.

The lad was a beast. Superb performance.

He looked promising, and some Daniel James like praise there. McTominay is not really much better than CBJ and McNair. He just got lucky as well that Mourinho chose him because of his height, the same way Blackett got in because he was left footed. McNair and CBJ actually showed some promise, Blackett too initially. Mourinho discarded them all including Riley when he came in. I think McTominay would've 'suffered' the same fate if LVG promoted him first.


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Mctominay no better than McNair or CBJ. There you have it ladies and gentleman. I don’t need to call that post stupid because it just speaks for itself.
 
Adnan said:
I think the club believe in Ethan Laird's ability and he will be given the opportunity to stake his claim. AWB isn't the best going forward according to many on here. In the modern game you can't have ultra defensive fullbacks. (Shaw/AWB)
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Plus many Manchester United fans including me believe in Diogo Dalot. Don't need another inexperienced right back.
 
simonhch said:
Mctominay no better than McNair or CBJ. There you have it ladies and gentleman. I don’t need to call that post stupid because it just speaks for itself.
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McNair and CBJ are barely Championship players. It’s a ludicrous statement.
 
simonhch said:
Mctominay no better than McNair or CBJ. There you have it ladies and gentleman. I don’t need to call that post stupid because it just speaks for itself.
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Thanks for your great insight. Are you forgetting how much praise both players received when they were first thrust into the limelight? If you look at McTominay's first season, he only really had a few standout games, same as these players. McTominay never had a sustained run of good form in his first season.

I remember him playing really well against Chelsea and Liverpool then having stinkers against lesser opposition immediately after. McTominay has however had a chance to build on his first season, the chance the others weren't afforded because Mourinho didn't even bother. The lad is lucky.
 
Loublaze said:
Thanks for your great insight. Are you forgetting how much praise both players received when they were first thrust into the limelight? If you look at McTominay's first season, he only really had a few standout games, same as these players. McTominay never had a sustained run of good form in his first season. I remember him playing really well against Chelsea and Liverpool then having stinkers against lesser opposition immediately after. McTominay has however had a chance to build on his first season, the chance the others weren't afforded because Mourinho didn't even bother.
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Praise for a handful of games they played, vs a regular starter over two full seasons. What are you smoking mate? It was, and remains, a ludicrous statement.
 
simonhch said:
Praise for a handful of games they played, vs a regular starter over two full seasons. What are you smoking mate? It was, and remains, a ludicrous statement.
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haram said:
McNair and CBJ are barely Championship players. It’s a ludicrous statement.
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How many standout games did McTominay have in his first season? His output wasn't much different from McNair's and CBJ in their first. Whoscored gave McNair an overall rating of 6.70 in his first season. CBJ got 6.70 as well and McTominay got 6.60 in his first. McNair and McTominay have 6.51 and 6.52 career average ratings thus far respectively while CBJ has a 6.91 overall rating.

This is not a summation of their careers but an indicator about their output and something to consider. McTominay joined United at the right time. He was promoted by a manager for his height and that manager was using him to prove he has faith in young players.

Ole is also persisting with him as he sees him as the 'next Fletcher' but has he been really outstanding? Like I said, he's a hardworker with a great attitude but I don't think he's been anything special. Those other players would've likely had a similar trajectory if they were being used in singularity the same way Mourinho forced the McTominay issue to prove a point
 
Loublaze said:
How many standout games did McTominay have in his first season? His output wasn't much different from McNair's and CBJ in their first. Whoscored gave McNair an overall rating of 6.70 in his first season. CBJ got 6.70 as well and McTominay got 6.60 in his first. McNair and McTominay have 6.51 and 6.52 career average ratings thus far respectively while CBJ has a 6.91 overall rating.

This is not a summation of their careers but an indicator about their output and something to consider. McTominay joined United at the right time. He was promoted by a manager for his height and that manager was using him to prove he has faith in young players.

Ole is also persisting with him as he sees him as the 'next Fletcher' but has he been really outstanding? Like I said, he's a hardworker with a great attitude but I don't think he's been anything special. Those other players would've likely had a similar trajectory if they were being used in singularity the same way Mourinho forced the McTominay issue to prove a point
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Not every player should be special, McTominay proved he deserves to be at ManUtd and his performance was better than other midfielders in last few games.

So Jose promoted him as he saw something in him and then Ole continued to play him as he was getting good performance out of him but somehow you are using that against the player and gave some weird reason why others are sold and McTominay is still at Manutd player.

There is no conspiracy there, McTominay has done good enough job to be retained and play as squad player while others didn't.
 
SteveW said:
Nah. Neither was rated by regular watchers. Both were really average and just got noticed due to that mad spell under LVG were he threw random kids into the team.

Laird is miles better than either of those
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Agree 100% ...Lairds a different level than the others mentioned.
 
roonster09 said:
Not every player should be special, McTominay proved he deserves to be at ManUtd and his performance was better than other midfielders in last few games.

So Jose promoted him as he saw something in him and then Ole continued to play him as he was getting good performance out of him but somehow you are using that against the player and gave some weird reason why others are sold and McTominay is still at Manutd player.

There is no conspiracy there, McTominay has done good enough job to be retained and play as squad player while others didn't.
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Mourinho saw his height, nothing wrong in admitting the obvious. Regular reserve team watchers were surprised by his selection as well. Im not trying to bring McTominay down, im just saying he's not really in a different class from those players but he's benefited from Mourinho using him for his agenda.
 
Loublaze said:
You make it seem like only your opinion counts :lol:. He didn't make it in the end, but many had contradicting appraisals of his talent and skills.

2 assists for Croskery's goals vs. Everton made it 9 assists for him already this season.Coming along nicely.

He would be perfect for the wing-back role I reckon.Has pace,skills,engine and good close control.Defensively decent and isn't one-dimensional in attack like Valencia.He's a good RW as well but not good enough to make a top career out of it.

I was saying in the last game that I think he's a better prospect than Janko.Same attributes but Janko looks quite a headless chicken at times (not saying he can't improve on that).Look forward to see how he develops in the next few years.

His all round play and delivery into the box from wide areas, was brilliant yesterday. He plays really positively, gets us on the front foot and is difficult for the opposition to handle.

Gets more convincing with every game I see. Would love to see a real old fashioned winger like him come through in some ways

He's big and quick but is pretty light footed when moving with the ball, very comfortable debut.

Plays like the Andreas Pereira of fullbacks.

liked that debut a lot, CBJ's main threat has been his crossing, I believe, this guy could be his pace. Looks super quick. May be worth throwing him against midgetland; as I reckon CBJ will start against the Arse.

Really like the look of him. Seems to have intelligence to go with his physical attributes. Made some promising runs but Memphis etc didn't spot him.

The lad was a beast. Superb performance.

He looked promising, and some Daniel James like praise there. McTominay is not really much better than CBJ and McNair. He just got lucky as well that Mourinho chose him because of his height, the same way Blackett got in because he was left footed. McNair and CBJ actually showed some promise, Blackett too initially. Mourinho discarded them all including Riley when he came in. I think McTominay would've 'suffered' the same fate if LVG promoted him first.


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Whats going on with you lately? You've managed to surpass your efforts from the Daniel James thread somehow. This is too ridiculous for me to continue with
 
Loublaze said:
Mourinho saw his height, nothing wrong in admitting the obvious. Regular reserve team watchers were surprised by his selection as well. Im not trying to bring McTominay down, im just saying he's not really in a different class from those players but he's benefited from Mourinho using him for his agenda.
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Somehow he impressed Solskjaer too who don't care about height. So maybe Jose saw more than just height, there is nothing wrong in admitting everyone got it wrong and player did well when given chances.

Obviously he wasn't rated highly, which means nothing. All that counts is how they take the chances when given, McNair did decent job before looking like fish out of water, McTominay has done well in few of the biggest games we played in last 2 seasons.
 
I just checked in to see if there were any Meunier developments? and all I've seen is flying hand bags, wow the lack of a signing is really getting to people !
 
feck's sake. McTominay is only as good at the likes of McNair and CBJ, while Mourinho is just a manager who doesn't know football and picked him because of his height with an agenda! It doesn't matter if McTominay played well in a lot of the big games, because a certain someone doesn't rate him so he is not good enough.
 
The United said:
I am just surprised a bit that people here rate Dalot a lot on RB/RWB position. Whenever he played there last season, he was pretty bad most of the time. So, I am not sure what people are based on with their rating on him.

Of course, he will improve you hope. But, I am not sure if it will be at RB or RWB position.

I suppose overrating our own is better than underrating and shitting on them all the time. For sure.
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I just think we’ve thrown good money after bad when it comes to some positions in the squad. When Dalot was signed he was touted as one of the best young players in the world, so why are we in the market for another right back just 12 months on? Let’s get the coaches to actually coach their players and develop that talent, instead of just throwing more money at the problem. We’ve got enough areas that need addressing in the team without replacing our new signings that haven’t immediately set the world alight.
 
2 man midfield said:
I just think we’ve thrown good money after bad when it comes to some positions in the squad. When Dalot was signed he was touted as one of the best young players in the world, so why are we in the market for another right back just 12 months on? Let’s get the coaches to actually coach their players and develop that talent, instead of just throwing more money at the problem. We’ve got enough areas that need addressing in the team without replacing our new signings that haven’t immediately set the world alight.
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I agree to an extent, although of course the coaches see Dalot in training everyday as well as the performances on the pitch. If he simply isn't as good as we thought then we need to be ruthless to catch up to the top clubs. The days of having a couple of passengers in title winning teams are long gone.
 
2 man midfield said:
I just think we’ve thrown good money after bad when it comes to some positions in the squad. When Dalot was signed he was touted as one of the best young players in the world, so why are we in the market for another right back just 12 months on? Let’s get the coaches to actually coach their players and develop that talent, instead of just throwing more money at the problem. We’ve got enough areas that need addressing in the team without replacing our new signings that haven’t immediately set the world alight.
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It's pretty simple, he's a kid that isn't ready to start 50+ games per season at right back, and nobody wants the other option to be fecking Ashley Young (who will be leaving at the end of next season, too). Also, if we sign a first choice right back then Dalot can still get plenty of appearances covering at LB, RW, or even LW, while still developing his game.
 
ivaldo said:
It’s not a lack of ambition. He’s a very good player available for a steal. That means we will have additional funds to spend elsewhere and it gives time for Dalot to develop properly. It would be a really shrewd bit of business.
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For the quoted price I think there are 2 or 3 other better options that are gettable for near enough the same price with Cancelo being the exception.
 
Lee565 said:
For the quoted price I think there are 2 or 3 other better options that are gettable for near enough the same price with Cancelo being the exception.
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Meunier is available for 25 million euros (22 million pounds), which RBs are available for that price who are better than him or as good as him?
 
Lee565 said:
Matt Doherty, R.Pereira, Atal.
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Yeah good luck asking Leicester to sell Ricardo Pereira for 3 million less than what they paid last season. None of these players are available for 22 million, not sure about Atal. Last time I read, it was Chelsea and it was for 35 million.
 
Hans Moleman said:
It's pretty simple, he's a kid that isn't ready to start 50+ games per season at right back, and nobody wants the other option to be fecking Ashley Young (who will be leaving at the end of next season, too). Also, if we sign a first choice right back then Dalot can still get plenty of appearances covering at LB, RW, or even LW, while still developing his game.
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That’s all well and good, maybe we’ve identified that he isn’t ready. I don’t know. What I wouldn’t want to see though is us sign Wan-Bissaka for 60m when he’s just 1 year older than Dalot.

Meunier makes more sense, because then the whole ‘Dalot isn’t ready yet but he still has a future here’ argument holds a lot more weight.
 
roonster09 said:
Meunier is available for 25 million euros (22 million pounds), which RBs are available for that price who are better than him or as good as him?
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Yep, for the price and experience it’s a player certainly worth it.

Better options out there, but when we have a ‘limited’ budget - in the sense that we’ll spend but not outrageously so - he ticks many boxes.
 
If butt has any say on the transfer committee, I’m sure he’d be more for this type of signing. Surprised people are against it, as it would leave more money to spend big on an attacking player.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yep, for the price and experience it’s a player certainly worth it.

Better options out there, but when we have a ‘limited’ budget - in the sense that we’ll spend but not outrageously so - he ticks many boxes.
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Yeah. I won't mind any RB, few fans say we have Dalot but thats not enough. We need players competing for places and also if one player proves to be better than other then other player will be a back up.

We need more quality players.
 
ivaldo said:
No chance you can get those players for €25mil.
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True but only an extra 5 - 10 million more which is not earth shattering for the transfer kitty towards others, plus they are all younger options as well and two of which are premiership proven.
 
From what I’ve seen of him he would struggle here, hopefully Everton will get him.
 
roonster09 said:
Meunier is available for 25 million euros (22 million pounds), which RBs are available for that price who are better than him or as good as him?
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Who are they? And can any of them play left back. Meunier would be able to cover for Shaw if needed
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah. I won't mind any RB, few fans say we have Dalot but thats not enough. We need players competing for places and also if one player proves to be better than other then other player will be a back up.

We need more quality players.
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Its worth noting that we have Darmian, Young wont be the captain next season so Darmian probably will be put ahead of him in the queue. You don't really bench the captain, if you are looking for a explanation of why Young kept on playing last season. Also fullback is the easiest position for a young inexperience player to break into, and since we are not going for the league title next season, but instead focus on rebuilding, its the perfect position to throw in a player for the future.

Next season we might see Dalot, Shaw and Darmian as our three primary fullbacks, with a youngster thrown into the mix. There is no reason not to play our own talents, we can not expect other clubs to do that for us, and there is no one better at developing young player then the coaching staff at our club. Either we have faith in Dalot, or we need to get rid of him.

Yeah Darmian is not the best fullback around, but I don't see how Meunier is any better, Darmian is even better defensively. So for everyone that think Dalot is to offensively, we can use Darmian in the games where we need to strengthen up our defense, and rotate Dalot and Darmian so they play 40-10 games each. And yes, Darmian is still a Man United player, he is being described as a fully professional player, and if the club tell him he will be 3th choice fullback going into next season im sure he would want to stay another year, I would not write him off yet.

Ofcourse I could just be wrong and we end up selling Darmian to bring in Meunier.
 
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Loublaze said:
Mourinho saw his height, nothing wrong in admitting the obvious. Regular reserve team watchers were surprised by his selection as well. Im not trying to bring McTominay down, im just saying he's not really in a different class from those players but he's benefited from Mourinho using him for his agenda.
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Regular reserve team watchers are not world class managers. You are so wrong about Scott. The problem is not what Jose, Ole or Scott are doing, it’s your poor judgement on McTominay. Im sorry mate, you are just wrong.

Loublaze said:
Those other players would've likely had a similar trajectory if they were being used in singularity the same way Mourinho forced the McTominay issue to prove a point
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No, no, no. They really wouldn’t.
 
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Apparently Doherty, Ricardo Pereira and Atal.
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Don't you love cafe. People think LC will sell RP for 3 m less than what they paid for. We are looking at 50m + here.

Doherty - he is played as WB and god knows how is he defensively. Definitely talking about 30m +

No idea about Atal either.
 
Allas8 said:
Its worth noting that we have Darmian, Young wont be the captain next season so Darmian probably will be put ahead of him in the queue. You don't really bench the captain, if you are looking for a explanation of why Young kept on playing last season. Also fullback is the easiest position for a young inexperience player to break into, and since we are not going for the league title next season, but instead focus on rebuilding, its the perfect position to throw in a player for the future.

Next season we might see Dalot, Shaw and Darmian as our three primary fullbacks, with a youngster thrown into the mix. There is no reason not to play our own talents, we can not expect other clubs to do that for us, and there is no one better at developing young player then the coaching staff at our club. Either we have faith in Dalot, or we need to get rid of him.

Yeah Darmian is not the best fullback around, but I don't see how Meunier is any better, Darmian is even better defensively. So for everyone that think Dalot is to offensively, we can use Darmian in the games where we need to strengthen up our defense, and rotate Dalot and Darmian so they play 40-10 games each. And yes, Darmian is still a Man United player, he is being described as a fully professional player, and if the club tell him he will be 3th choice fullback going into next season im sure he would want to stay another year, I would not write him off yet.

Ofcourse I could just be wrong and we end up selling Darmian to bring in Meunier.
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I will just pretend Darmian is not our player anymore. We need better quality players, yeah we need to integrate young players too but it should be balanced. When the first team is strong and we have good momentum, it's easier for young players to play in the first team. That's the ideal environment for young players.
 
bond19821982 said:
Don't you love cafe. People think LC will sell RP for 3 m less than what they paid for. We are looking at 50m + here.

Doherty - he is played as WB and god knows how is he defensively. Definitely talking about 30m +

No idea about Atal either.
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Yeah, if we sign Meunier then at least for once we took advantage of player's contract and other team offloading players. Can't think of any RBs in the same price range who is as good.
 
roonster09 said:
Meunier is available for 25 million euros (22 million pounds), which RBs are available for that price who are better than him or as good as him?
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That price originated here and not from PSG. Arsenal have been heavily linked with Meunier and the price they were supposedly quoted was 30 million pounds not euros. For a right back who is defensively poor and only looks good going forward playing for a team that is miles above their weekly opposition the money can be better spent elsewhere.
 
Gandalf said:
That price originated here and not from PSG. Arsenal have been heavily linked with Meunier and the price they were supposedly quoted was 30 million pounds not euros. For a right back who is defensively poor and only looks good going forward playing for a team that is miles above their weekly opposition the money can be better spent elsewhere.
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No, the price was quoted by French papers and journalists. Doubt any English media (I mean the reputed ones) even reported the story.
 
Allas8 said:
Its worth noting that we have Darmian, Young wont be the captain next season so Darmian probably will be put ahead of him in the queue. You don't really bench the captain, if you are looking for a explanation of why Young kept on playing last season. Also fullback is the easiest position for a young inexperience player to break into, and since we are not going for the league title next season, but instead focus on rebuilding, its the perfect position to throw in a player for the future.

Next season we might see Dalot, Shaw and Darmian as our three primary fullbacks, with a youngster thrown into the mix. There is no reason not to play our own talents, we can not expect other clubs to do that for us, and there is no one better at developing young player then the coaching staff at our club. Either we have faith in Dalot, or we need to get rid of him.

Yeah Darmian is not the best fullback around, but I don't see how Meunier is any better, Darmian is even better defensively. So for everyone that think Dalot is to offensively, we can use Darmian in the games where we need to strengthen up our defense, and rotate Dalot and Darmian so they play 40-10 games each. And yes, Darmian is still a Man United player, he is being described as a fully professional player, and if the club tell him he will be 3th choice fullback going into next season im sure he would want to stay another year, I would not write him off yet.

Ofcourse I could just be wrong and we end up selling Darmian to bring in Meunier.
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I'd be absolutely shocked and appalled if Darmian isnt sold this summer
 
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