5 games 8 goals so far this season?
Thomas Müller
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Hopefully we still are. Carrick will be 35 next year, Schweinsteiger 32, Blind, it seems, is preferred at centre back, and Schneiderlin is more of a destroyer type, rather than a deep-lying playmaker.
This is probably the wrong thread for this, but I hope so too. My concern is that he'll be harder to acquire if Dortmund have a bounce back season. There are windows of opportunity on things like this, and we may have missed it. If Dortmund have a strong season and get back into the Champions League, he may be less inclined to push for a move. Similarly, Dortmund may be less willing to move him (or any of their other players who would interest other clubs). If Gundogan proves his fitness and has a great season personally, there will also be increased competition for his signature.
He doesn't have the definable attributes of the worlds other elite forwards but he is still in their class, he's Mr. Right place, Right time.
Do not just count the goals. It is the whole package. His positioning and runs even if he is not part of the ball action, his defensive work when needed, his pressing, the whole attitude and character he has. He is a fighter but at the same time he is a motivator, too. The way he is a team player and how he grows more and more into the leader role.
He does not even do only this "ugly" goals. Last season he nearly had none of them and a lot of really great goals. But that had a lot to do with the roles he has. Right now he even plays much more over the field than he did in the last 2 years.
That is his activity chart from the last Bayern match when he played as hanging striker... The red dots are the ball contacts...
Feck me this is the type off player we should be trying to sign! Oh wait........ We did well why is Ed W getting a battering for trying?
Because it's dumb.
How many goals had the HurryKane scored this season?
Quite a few idiots on here were against signing him 
No club would pass up on an opportunity like that.
No club would pass up on an opportunity like that.I cannot think of any other world class player whose fans try to convince others so much that he's great.Do not just count the goals. It is the whole package. His positioning and runs even if he is not part of the ball action, his defensive work when needed, his pressing, the whole attitude and character he has. He is a fighter but at the same time he is a motivator, too. The way he is a team player and how he grows more and more into the leader role.
He does not even do only this "ugly" goals. Last season he nearly had none of them and a lot of really great goals. But that had a lot to do with the roles he has. Right now he even plays much more over the field than he did in the last 2 years.
That is his activity chart from the last Bayern match when he played as hanging striker... The red dots are the ball contacts...
In the beginning, people needed to be convinced though. It's all a bit odd by now because most people rate him fairly, and journalists and critics as well. I argued before that I don't get why so many still call him 'underrated' after he finished 5th at the Ballon d'Or and 2nd only behind Messi at the Golden ball vote at the World Cup last year. Besides the odd comment that doesn't believe in the hype, almost everyone thinks he's the fecking brilliant player he really is. And it's awesome.I cannot think of any other world class player whose fans try to convince others so much that he's great.
I thought he was overrated, at least on the internet, since a long time back, and still think he is, really good player nevertheless.
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I'm still a simpleton who thinks he's the shittest World Class forward I've seen for a long time. I'd still be happy if we signed him, firstly because numbers don't lie, and secondly, because Rooney is also a shit world class forward without the numbers (of late).
My attitude is similar to with Diego Costa. When Chelsea signed him, I said there is nothing that can convince me he's a top class player. He then went on to score a shit load of goals for them, but he's still a shit player to me. Admittedly, I do think Thomas Mueller is better than him, for the record.
My attitude is similar to with Diego Costa. When Chelsea signed him, I said there is nothing that can convince me he's a top class player. He then went on to score a shit load of goals for them, but he's still a shit player to me. Admittedly, I do think Thomas Mueller is better than him, for the record.
He's no forward though.
He is in my opinion. I think nowadays, pretty much all attacking players are considered 'forwards' it seems.
I don't think I'd call him a midfielder.
The comparison with Muller is a good one on the level that I get no joy whatsoever from watching either player. Costa is a little more entertaining with his villainy but as a player he is dull.
You wouldn't say this if you'd ever seen a Nutella advert!
Nah, don't be fooled by those who come and tell you they can see 'things not obvious' in him that others can't or any other such tripe. There's no such thing. He's also not the cleverest man to kick a ball in the game's history, or other such hyperboles.
He's a fecking great player. How can anyone doubt it? His game intelligence is ridiculous. People watch him an think, he's not dribbling past players, he's not running at 100mph, he doesn't shoot from 50 yards out...how can he be as good as people claim? Watch him closely. His decision making in attacking areas and off the ball movement is stupendously good.
How the feck can anyone still question this guy? Name any season since the start of 2011 up to now (4 seasons in a row) and every one of them was a good season by Müller, he is consistent as hell and he's proven it on big stages. His technique is not even bad, he just can't dribble like Messi but there is absolutely nothing wrong with his technique. Technique is not just dribbling, technique is more than that. Do you honestly think a player with such 'shit' technique can be a key player for Bayern for years now, win a CL, reach another CL-final and win the WorldCup?
He is a great player. Top 10 in the world for sure. He just isn't exciting to watch IMO.
You don't think that labeling Rooney, Muller and Diego Costa as shit, at their prime, is a bit over the top?
Still played 3 Champions League finals, won one of them, won the World Cup, best young player award and was top goalscorer of one World Cup at the age of 25.
He is destined to become the one with most World Cup goals at one point or another and is very much in the race to end his carrer as both Germany's Most capped player and the one with the highest goal total bar serious injuries. He speaks for himself, really Can't say that I follow you.
Not he isn't exciting for the exact reasons I mentioned in my post but that doesn't mean he isn't a great player.
Would absolutely love this guy here! Ungainly perhaps, not as marketable as Messi, Ronaldo, etc, but wow what a talent! If Ronaldo and Bale are going to be hard to get hold of due to our clearly strained relationship with Madrid, then I'd focus all our efforts on this guy next summer, along with Veratti and a decent CB
Haha, I know my opinion on him isn't very popular, it sucks because I still really like watching him and rate him highly, but not as highly as those who think he's some once in a generation player with never seen before intelligence - common hyperbole when people talk about him (look above). I'm sure we've had this discussion before though.Still no white text?
Out of interest, have you ever seen him live in the stadium?
And no, not yet. I know you'd be saying something like it is only live that you can see his 'true' movement, or the way he creates space for others or something right?
You have to agree you guys get a bit sentimental when talking about him, which is fine and understandable really.I said they were 'shit world class players', not shit players, although Rooney is getting close to even that title to be honest. I know what I expect to see from a world class forward, and it isn't what I see when I watch them, numbers or not.
You say that after reciting his Cv?
I won't say it, just let me know once it happenedAnd no, not yet. I know you'd be saying something like it is only live that you can see his 'true' movement, or the way he creates space for others or something right?
.I'm sure some would argue that Mueller is a better player than Bale.
For me, the thing is I just don't see the qualities that would almosy single-handedly transform an attack - in the manner that Ronaldo, Bale, Robben etc could.
Again, while I appreciate that I cannot argue with his record, and the fact that he has done it at every level - if I was a centre-half, of average ability perhaps - I don't think the prospect of facing Thomas Mueller would 'frighten' me. It's also the issue I have with Rooney. He wouldn't scare me in the slightest. Somehow, Mueller will still probably score a tap-in and everyone would be proved right, but I still can't help the feeling.
When we were after him in the summer, what I see as fairly unspectacular ability caused me to have doubts as to whether he could come in and score the same 20+ plus goals here. It's one thing playing for Germany and Bayern, but we can't create anything. If we were signing Bale, I can see where the difference is going to come from.
I'll say again though, his record is such that I'd have no issue with us signing him, simply because I've lost all faith in Rooney to deliver and you can't say no to someone who is scoring goals. But he'd be well down my list of players I'd pick to lift our attack, even discounting Messi and Ronaldo.
That's probably a huge part of his secret. He looks clumsy and weird and a defender can easily underrate him just to end up looking like a mug without knowing why. I think it took Müller 3 years of playing at the top level until he stopped falling over his own feet after shooting. Someone should make a youtube video of him falling over after shooting. Until this day I'm still confused how he could score so many important goals while falling down all time the time, it's hilarious. Sadly nowadays it happens very rarely, seems like he worked on keeping his balance. I'm surprised Kompany never made a public comment ahead of a game against Bayern that it's much more difficult to defend against Stoke than against Müller.
I like how we have now become the club where truly great players can come to prove themselves
Müller? Try scoring tap ins on crosses from Valencia, that would be the sign of a true world class forward.
Was the same with Hernandez for us. Watch any compilation of him, and 9/10 times he falls over after scoring the goal.
You say that after reciting his Cv?
That's the thing about Müller though, isn't it? Ronaldo is spectacular and everyone looks at him. So, the best way to counter a team with Ronaldo in it, since they pretty much all build a team around his glory, is to just counter Ronaldo. Germany has shown it with Portugal time and again, Bayern gave Real a good run for their money, too, simply by taking Ronaldo out of the game.
With Müller, however, it's not that simple. He's not spectacular, he always has other players around him that are more "shiny" and draw more attention than him. So, do you take Müller out of the game? Most people would think you're bonkers. And he's also outsmarting 90% of the defenders on the pitch in any given game, it's harder to keep Müller contained than Ronaldo. Ronaldo will start getting frustrated after 10 minutes of not getting one pass through to him, Müller will just adapt and wait somewhere else for a pass to reach him. That's his strength. He's not as fast as Bale, he's not as good a shot as Ronaldo or Kroos, he's not as good a dribbler as Messi or Neymar... but he's free or creates space for other players, he constantly puts defenders into a difficult spot with difficult decisions... guard the open space so Robben doesn't break through or run after Müller who is off again on one of his treks...
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