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So does Natalya automatically take the final place on Team SD?

If they don’t announce it until Sunday and have it as. ‘Surprise’ then it’ll be Paige.
 
Doesn't happen often, but both Raw and SmackDown were excellent this week and I'm sure Survivor Series will deliver as well. Hopefully fans can just be fans for a little while and not nitpick at everything.

Final Survivor Series Card

Pre-Show

WWE Cruiserweight Championship Match

Enzo Amore (c) vs. Kalisto

Main Card

Intercontinental Champion vs. United States Champion

The Miz vs. Baron Corbin

RAW Tag-Team Champions vs. SmackDown Tag-Team Champions

Sheamus & Cesaro vs. The Usos

Six-Man Tag-Team Match

The Shield vs. The New Day

RAW Women's Champion vs. SmackDown Women's Champion

Alexa Bliss vs. Charlotte Flair

Universal Champion vs. WWE Champion

Brock Lesnar vs. AJ Styles

Team RAW Women vs. Team SmackDown Women

Alicia Fox (cptn), Nia Jax, Asuka, Sasha Banks, and Bayley vs. Becky Lynch (cptn), Carmella, Naomi, Tamina, and TBA

Team RAW vs. Team SmackDown

Kurt Angle (cptn), Braun Strowman, Samoa Joe, Finn Bálor, and HHH vs. Shane McMahon (cptn), Randy Orton, Bobby Roode, Shinsuke Nakamura, and John Cena​
 
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My picks are:

Corbin def. Miz (Probably DQ)
BAR def. Usos
Shield def. New Day
Flair def. Bliss
Lesnar def. AJ
Smackdown def. RAW (Women)
Raw def. SmackDown (Men)

4-3 to RAW.

My only real question is how does Asuka lose (no matter what they do, it's going to tarnish her a bit being eliminated however it happens), because if Paige does return to SmackDown then I can't see them losing. If it's just Natalya or Lana making the team then it's a write-off anyway as RAW just has superior females. Maybe SmackDown men do win and Raw women win instead, it is starting to make a bit more sense but the questions are there. Kane probably eliminates Strowman, HHH or Jason Jordan may turn on Kurt as well, which puts RAW at a huge disadvantage. However, there's still the KO and Zayn thing, especially after they fled the 'siege'.

I can't see anyone on Team SmackDown pinning HHH either thinking about it.

Brock defeating AJ isn't an absolute guarantee either, but I'd find it a bit of a disservice to AJ if he were given this title purely to lose to Lesnar and then give the title back to Jinder a couple of weeks after before the India Tour (actually hearing reports India Tour is cancelled bar one date, Jinder the only SD Superstar there, pretty surprised if so). Hoping he loses this match vs. Lesnar but keeps the title for a while, probably until WM. Then again, while getting a bit too far ahead here, having him lose to Cena would probably not go over that well. If it was Cena pinching it back from Jinder at WM, then the crowd would probably cheer Cena a bit more rather than boo.

Lastly, I thought we'd see a bit more added to the pre-show, I think a missed opportunity there is setting something up on social media for probably two guys who should be on this PPV but aren't - Rusev and Bray Wyatt. Oh, and probably some kind of RAW vs. SmackDown Battle Royal for everyone else, which could still happen and maybe those guys are the final two.
 
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If HHH turns on Kurt Angle, what about Stephanie? She mentioned Raw being her superior brand but then again Shane is blood.
Apparently Paige was backstage at Raw so I think she'll be on there.
 
a_devil_inside said:
If HHH turns on Kurt Angle, what about Stephanie? She mentioned Raw being her superior brand but then again Shane is blood.
Apparently Paige was backstage at Raw so I think she'll be on there.
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Yeah, I think they went with Bayley because Paige was posting on social media with Alicia Fox.. Kinda ruining any 'surprise'. If Paige is going to be at Survivor Series, it's going to be on Team SmackDown. If she is though, she has to win on a big return like that surely? I can't see one brand winning both 5on5's...

HHH vs. Kurt is happening at Wrestlemania, it's going to be a bit of a drag to run it for that long, but hopefully HHH and Steph don't have too much TV time. Jason Jordan is likely to play a part in escalating things, either retaliation on HHH for the Pedigree, turning on Kurt entirely, or trying to help Team Raw but inadvertently costing them / at least hindering them. Lots of ways they can spin all this for the 5on5 matches, but I'll be surprised if either brand wins both and I expect to go into the last match with the overall scores tied as well.
 
Havak said:
Yeah, I think they went with Bayley because Paige was posting on social media with Alicia Fox.. Kinda ruining any 'surprise'. If Paige is going to be at Survivor Series, it's going to be on Team SmackDown. If she is though, she has to win on a big return like that surely? I can't see one brand winning both 5on5's...

HHH vs. Kurt is happening at Wrestlemania, it's going to be a bit of a drag to run it for that long, but hopefully HHH and Steph don't have too much TV time. Jason Jordan is likely to play a part in escalating things, either retaliation on HHH for the Pedigree, turning on Kurt entirely, or trying to help Team Raw but inadvertently costing them / at least hindering them. Lots of ways they can spin all this for the 5on5 matches, but I'll be surprised if either brand wins both and I expect to go into the last match with the overall scores tied as well.
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They could have Lana/Natalya be at fault for a Paige elimination. No way Asuka is being pinned or beaten yet.
 
Havak said:
My picks are:

Corbin def. Miz (Probably DQ)
BAR def. Usos
Shield def. New Day
Flair def. Bliss
Lesnar def. AJ
Smackdown def. RAW (Women)
Raw def. SmackDown (Men)

4-3 to RAW.

My only real question is how does Asuka lose (no matter what they do, it's going to tarnish her a bit being eliminated however it happens), because if Paige does return to SmackDown then I can't see them losing. If it's just Natalya or Lana making the team then it's a write-off anyway as RAW just has superior females. Maybe SmackDown men do win and Raw women win instead, it is starting to make a bit more sense but the questions are there. Kane probably eliminates Strowman, HHH or Jason Jordan may turn on Kurt as well, which puts RAW at a huge disadvantage. However, there's still the KO and Zayn thing, especially after they fled the 'siege'.

I can't see anyone on Team SmackDown pinning HHH either thinking about it.

Brock defeating AJ isn't an absolute guarantee either, but I'd find it a bit of a disservice to AJ if he were given this title purely to lose to Lesnar and then give the title back to Jinder a couple of weeks after before the India Tour (actually hearing reports India Tour is cancelled bar one date, Jinder the only SD Superstar there, pretty surprised if so). Hoping he loses this match vs. Lesnar but keeps the title for a while, probably until WM. Then again, while getting a bit too far ahead here, having him lose to Cena would probably not go over that well. If it was Cena pinching it back from Jinder at WM, then the crowd would probably cheer Cena a bit more rather than boo.

Lastly, I thought we'd see a bit more added to the pre-show, I think a missed opportunity there is setting something up on social media for probably two guys who should be on this PPV but aren't - Rusev and Bray Wyatt. Oh, and probably some kind of RAW vs. SmackDown Battle Royal for everyone else, which could still happen and maybe those guys are the final two.
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Cena?? I think its gonna come down to Cena and Angle as the final 2, with Owens and Zayn costing SD the match. Might even turn out to be a 2 or 3 vs 1 against Kurt but that's where Owens and Zayn will come in.

I think the Usos will beat the Bar and Raw women will beat SD. So with the exception of AJ, I guess all the SD champions will beat the Raw champions but Raw will win all the tag team matches.
 
No chance of Raw losing the pride match before their 25th anniversary. Which makes this PPV a bit shit.

Unless they give Brock a much overdue loss and push AJ to the absolute elite level he deserves. But they won't. Because they're shit.
 
Smackdowns team kinda seems underwhelming without aj or Owens. Or have they been properly building the likes of Roode and nakamura? Anyway im calling bar vs uso for motn.
 
Mystry said:
Smackdowns team kinda seems underwhelming without aj or Owens. Or have they been properly building the likes of Roode and nakamura? Anyway im calling bar vs uso for motn.
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Nah not really. Jinder went over Nakamura and Roode has done nothing apart from fuel with Dolph (where they both shared wins and losses)
 
Pre-Show

WWE Cruiserweight Championship Match

Enzo Amore (c) vs. Kalisto

Main Card

Intercontinental Champion vs. United States Champion

The Miz vs. Baron Corbin

RAW Tag-Team Champions vs. SmackDown Tag-Team Champions

Sheamus & Cesaro vs. The Usos

Six-Man Tag-Team Match

The Shield vs. The New Day

RAW Women's Champion vs. SmackDown Women's Champion

Alexa Bliss vs. Charlotte Flair

Universal Champion vs. WWE Champion

Brock Lesnar vs. AJ Styles

Team RAW Women vs. Team SmackDown Women

Alicia Fox (cptn), Nia Jax, Asuka, Sasha Banks, and Bayley vs. Becky Lynch (cptn), Carmella, Naomi, Tamina, and TBA

Team RAW vs. Team SmackDown

Kurt Angle (cptn), Braun Strowman, Samoa Joe, Finn Bálor, and HHH vs. Shane McMahon (cptn), Randy Orton, Bobby Roode, Shinsuke Nakamura, and John Cena

Paige is the one being touted for the match although I'm expecting either Nikki Bella or Natalya.

Expecting a pure clusterfeck for the main Raw/Smackdown match. Can see Angle/HHH having issues, likely which leads to Angle or even both getting eliminated, possibly Jordan showing up? If it costs Triple H his spot and they eventually lose, that'll be another part of the story towards the Angle/HHH feud. Would be shocked if Owens and Zayn don't show up, could easily see them costing Shane right at the end of the match or one of the others...or possibly even interfering to win it for Smackdown and then taking all of the credit.

On paper it looks a great card. Takeover the night before looks fantastic as well, should be a great weekend.
 
Charlotte vs Natayla was a surprisingly good match, best women's match I've seen in a while. I didn't even mind the 'Ric will be watching at home' line then *music hits*, it all worked. Still not keen on Charlotte as a face but the belt suits her far more than Natayla.
 
Ellsworth has been released. Beat AJ 3 times and got to kiss Carmella, not bad for a guy who was supposed to be a one-show jobber.

Hope he made a decent amount.
 
Shane88 said:
Ellsworth has been released. Beat AJ 3 times and got to kiss Carmella, not bad for a guy who was supposed to be a one-show jobber.

Hope he made a decent amount.
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And the first ever winner of the womens MITB.
 
Mystry said:
Smackdowns team kinda seems underwhelming without aj or Owens. Or have they been properly building the likes of Roode and nakamura? Anyway im calling bar vs uso for motn.
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How? They have Orton and Cena who rarely lose clean. Owens wouldn’t add anything more than those guys. Also it doesn’t really make sense for Owens to fight alongside Shane. Probably would have added Rusev ahead of Roode because the team lacks a heel.

The PPV card is looking great. I think Smackdown will probably end up winning it overall. Raw women’s team should definitely win and so should Brock. Corbin, Charlotte and Uso’s will win in my opinion for Smackdown. Shield will probably take it against New Day as Roman needs to look strong.
 
this whole Asuka situation is a little weird. They’ve built her up as unstoppable so would be weird to throw that away on a survivor series. So either she is standing tall at the end, they crap the bed and she gets pinned or something, or Paige comes in and beats her so badly that she simply just can’t continue.
Then that feud begins which both probably need to launch\Relaunch on Raw.
 
Bojan11 said:
How? They have Orton and Cena who rarely lose clean. Owens wouldn’t add anything more than those guys. Also it doesn’t really make sense for Owens to fight alongside Shane. Probably would have added Rusev ahead of Roode because the team lacks a heel.

The PPV card is looking great. I think Smackdown will probably end up winning it overall. Raw women’s team should definitely win and so should Brock. Corbin, Charlotte and Uso’s will win in my opinion for Smackdown. Shield will probably take it against New Day as Roman needs to look strong.
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Team Raw has 2 bonafide legends in Angle and HHH. You could say Orton and Cena match up to them. Balor and Nakamura are at a pretty even standing. But Strowmann and Joe are far more protected and built up then Shane and Roode. The way they all have been booked this year, you could probably make a case for Strowmann being able to take on Shane, Roode and Nakamura single handedly.



They are probably going to get Kane to take out Strowmann but Raw's team is still better than SD's
 
Castia said:
Poor Ellsworth :(

For a comedy act I kinda like him.
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I didn't mind him until he tucked his chin on the styles clash, when AJ botched the move to save Elsworth's neck from being smashed to bits. Since then I've had a completely irrational hatred of him.
 
nme_pro said:
I didn't mind him until he tucked his chin on the styles clash, when AJ botched the move to save Elsworth's neck from being smashed to bits. Since then I've had a completely irrational hatred of him.
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Bit of a dumb reason to hate him. Loads of people have taken the Styles Clash badly and it's broken 2 or 3 necks.

Being honest, it's kind of a shit move.
 
langster said:
It really is, it's fecking awful. Mind you I think AJ is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. He's unbearable. His entrance music is ok though.
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Don't think hrs overrated at all. He's a very good wrestler and also brings out the best in his opponents. He even made Kinder Mahal look decent in their last fight.
 
langster said:
It really is, it's fecking awful. Mind you I think AJ is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. He's unbearable. His entrance music is ok though.
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Not a fan of the Styles Clash myself but AJ is probably the best wrestler of this generation alongside Daniel Bryan.
 
I know it's controversial but I just don't like him at all. Bryan is a legend and it's so sad his career was cut short, but I just don't get the AJ hype at all. He's not a bad wrestler imho, just nowhere near the cult status he appears to have. Owens is far superior and I would say the best of his generation. AJ doesn't come close in my book.
 
AJ is better than Owens imo but I still like Owens and his mannerisms in a match.

Im really looking forward to Survivor Series. Im guessing the only way Asuka gets eliminated is by DQ or countout. maybe double countout with somebody from SD side.
More likely she wins tho.

Think SD mens win cos I see Brock, Shield and maybe Bliss winning. Wouldnt be surprised if Carmella cashes in after the match.
 
Sylar said:
AJ is better than Owens imo but I still like Owens and his mannerisms in a match.
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Each to their own of course mate, and believe me, I know i'm in a minority with my AJ dislike. Saying that though, I can't agree that he's anywhere near as good as Owens simply because i'd put Owens right up there with Cena for diversity and ability. Both continuously surprise with new moves, old moves, agility, strength etc, yet AJ is just always the same for me. Obviously all wrestlers and matches are scripted heavily, but AJ just never surprises me. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, just not my cup of tea.
 
langster said:
I know it's controversial but I just don't like him at all. Bryan is a legend and it's so sad his career was cut short, but I just don't get the AJ hype at all. He's not a bad wrestler imho, just nowhere near the cult status he appears to have. Owens is far superior and I would say the best of his generation. AJ doesn't come close in my book.
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Fair enough as it's all subjective! I've been a fan of AJ's since I found TNA in 2005 (because I wanted to see Jeff Hardy and Christian again) and I don't think I've ever seen him have a bad match. It's not only that but he can wrestle any style to a good standard which isn't easy. He's wrestling WWE's robotic style very well (the best in the company now Bryan's retired), when he was in TNA he wrestled the X-division (cruiserweight) amazingly and their heavyweight division, too. Not to mention he went to NJPW where he smashed it. No matter the style of match he always does a great job which not many can do. I think Bryan's better but the majority have AJ down as the undisputed best of this generation which I don't argue with as I can see it.

I'm not Owens' biggest fan, though I do like him and have done since ROH, but I don't think he's anywhere near AJ. I don't think anyone on the roster is actually, though Lesnar is when he can be arsed which he never is anymore and, though I'm not a fan, probably Cesaro, too.
 
I kind of agree that AJ is a bit one note with his move set, it's the same with Balor and their match didn't do much for me. That's not to say I don't enjoy watching him when he's really on it and he has natural charisma unlike Balor. His match with Shane at Wreslemania was fecking brilliant.
 
Shane88 said:
Bit of a dumb reason to hate him. Loads of people have taken the Styles Clash badly and it's broken 2 or 3 necks.

Being honest, it's kind of a shit move.
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Agree completely which is why I said it's completely irrational. Maybe I didn't pay too much attention to him before that, I've seen him on fast forward a lot more than I've actually watched his matches on normal speed. I also agree that it's a bit of a shit move, I reckon it's a lot harder to execute than moves that look a lot better though, which is why i don't really get it.

@langster have you only watched AJ Styles in WWE? I ask because from literally the moment he walked at the Rumble and the camera cut to Roman they haven't used him to anywhere near his potential - that could be said of a lot of the roster though.
 
Blind said:
I kind of agree that AJ is a bit one note with his move set, it's the same with Balor and their match didn't do much for me. That's not to say I don't enjoy watching him when he's really on it and he has natural charisma unlike Balor. His match with Shane at Wreslemania was fecking brilliant.
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It's the same for everyone in the WWE. Everyone has their finisher(s) and signature moves and they're not allowed to avert their way from that bar from a big match in which they're allowed to pull out a couple of more moves. It's even worse for tag team matches where in literally every single one they same thing happens.
 
Yagami said:
It's the same for everyone in the WWE. Everyone has their finisher(s) and signature moves and they're not allowed to avert their way from that bar from a big match in which they're allowed to pull out a couple of more moves. It's even worse for tag team matches where in literally every single one they same thing happens.
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You still get a little consistent creativity like with the Usos but yeah it's pretty stagnant across the roster. I could happily watch Cesaro and Sami Zayn even if they're doing the same thing though, hopefully they give Cesaro and Sheamus vs Usos a good 15 minutes at least on Sunday because it has the potential to be something that isn't by the numbers.
 
Blind said:
You still get a little consistent creativity like with the Usos but yeah it's pretty stagnant across the roster. I could happily watch Cesaro and Sami Zayn even if they're doing the same thing though, hopefully they give Cesaro and Sheamus vs Usos a good 15 minutes at least on Sunday because it has the potential to be something that isn't by the numbers.
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Yeah, and it's refreshing when they do. I get why they don't because they have to wrestle so much and they need to prevent the risk of injuries, but it gets tiring after a while. Especially when every tag match goes: the match starts slow paced, the babyfaces get on top, the heels cheat and keep the baby in their corner for a while, the baby gets the hot tag, chaos ensues, someone wins. Every single time.

I think the majority of matches will get a good time at SS as it's one of the big 4 and you can see they're doing their best to hype it all up. Usos-The Bar should be good but I am disappointed we're not getting Usos-Ambrose/Rollins :(
 
This is why wrestling can be cool, different styles for different people. And right now, theres so much out there and most of it is so easy to access.
 
Shame about Ellsworth, wonder what their reasons were.

So Paige or Nikki for team SDL, hopefully it’s paige
 
Pre-Show

Enzo Amore (c) vs. Kalisto

Main Card

The Miz vs. Baron Corbin

Sheamus & Cesaro vs. The Usos

Roman & Friends vs. The New Day

Alexa Bliss vs. Charlotte Flair

Brock Lesnar vs. AJ Styles - NO CONTEST

Alicia Fox (cptn), Nia Jax, Asuka, Sasha Banks, and Bayley vs. Becky Lynch (cptn), Carmella, Naomi, Tamina, and Natalya

Kurt Angle (cptn), Braun Strowman, Samoa Joe, Finn Bálor, and HHH vs. Shane McMahon (cptn), Randy Orton, Bobby Roode, Shinsuke Nakamura, and John Cena

The whole thing finishes a draw
 
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