I pretty much echo everyone else's comments on Jinder but the epitome of WWEs stupid writing/booking was having Jinder cut that same promo despite feuding with Nakamura. A talent who's as different as can be on the WWEs roster but is still cheered. I'm not at all surprised as the WWE/Vince are incredibly bad at writing coherent characters/storylines but they had the opportunity right there to advance Mahal's character beyond the same ol', same ol'.
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I hope Elias gets a big push, he's great.
Needs a new finisher though.
Needs a new finisher though.
Asuka leaves NXT as the undefeated women's champion, WWE should let her carry this momentum up to the main roster and be absolutely dominant but what they will actually do is have her job to Banks and Bliss.
Ideal booking opportunity to have her destroy Sasha and Alexa in their rematch on Raw next week, of course that would too simple.
She'll have a feud with Nia where she'll win but not look that impressive or like the badass she is. If they bothered to do anything with Emma then she'd be a good first feud for her, similar to nxt.
Isn't she out injured for a while now?
Yeah, I think it was a broken collarbone, so she'll be out for a couple of months (?).
I wonder how they'll crown the new champ. Usually I'd suggest a mini tournament, but we've just had a women's one. Maybe just a multi-woman match, with 4-6 competitors?
I wonder how they'll crown the new champ. Usually I'd suggest a mini tournament, but we've just had a women's one. Maybe just a multi-woman match, with 4-6 competitors?
Charlotte and Becky would look legit against her on Smackdown.
I want to see her decimate Raw though. Be their female Brock Lesnar.
I want to see her decimate Raw though. Be their female Brock Lesnar.
Next PPV looks like it will be fantastic for the 2 main matches.
Also.... Sexy Star.
Also.... Sexy Star.
Roman and Cena shattering the 4th wall. Probably the only way to make their feud interesting.
Nothing new with the WWE. CM Punk had to do the same to get over. Cena did it with his feud with Rock because the roster of today just can't cut it with the past stars in terms of getting people invested because they're not as good. As much as I love Bryan, and, unlike Punk and Cena, he didn't actually do it himself in a promo, his storyline vs the authority was this, too.
Seeing a lot of fans invested in this feud is sad, though. They both suck, they've both chased off many, many fans, but because they're breaking kayfabe and because they're booked above everyone else, the majority will eat it up.
Cena doesnt suck
Cena's matches are usually solid. I'm sure he and Reigns will put on a decent show.
His matches with AJ styles were probably the best in WWE last year. Yes they were with AJ Styles but I don't think AJ has had a better with anyone else than Cena thus far.
His matches with AJ styles were probably the best in WWE last year. Yes they were with AJ Styles but I don't think AJ has had a better with anyone else than Cena thus far.
Last night showed clear as day that fully scripted promos are one of the main problems in WWE. Reigns gets a bit of freedom and you see more personality and character in one promo than in the hundreds he's delivered before. Cena still had the upper hand because he's miles ahead of anyone else on the mic, but it was a top segment on a decent Raw.
Just keep your eye on Kurt Angle as Cena talks... you can just tell that he is standing there in awe of how good Cena is.
Meltzer said that the segment was completely scripted except for the part that Cena said they say Kurt suck too and then Reigns lost the track of his promo.
Most of tht would have been scripted. But yeah, I agree with the sentiment (didnt roman forget some lines).
In fact, Roman is so natural and good to listen to when hes just talking like a human.
Yeah, just to clarify I meant fully scripted promos when it's abundantly clear every line has been written by someone else. Reigns and Cena were clearly scripted to an extent last night, but the difference was Reigns stepping up and not reeling off a set of generic lines he's usually lumbered with in every promo.
How come Cena is classed as a free agent anyways?
Storyline so they can jump him between shows
I hope they just keep him on one show unless they do a proper draft.
I'd say the majority that still watch the WWE will agree now after a decade plus of being shoved down everyone's throats because they're still there but, to the millions that have stopped watching, he does. It may seem like the majority like Cena now but that's only because the ones that ended up tired of him left a while back.Cena doesnt suck
Very vague claim though.
I thought it was well known? I believe, in an earlier discussion, you claimed that it was HHH's era in 04ish that started turning the fans away and, whilst I agree with you there, Cena took it to a whole new level. Actually, I'd say wrestling started losing fans after WWF bought WCW and they had that flop of an invasion angle. Turning Austin heel and Rock leaving for Hollywood certainly didn't help as well.
Something Jericho said Dusty used to tell him: "A good promo involves promoting the strength of your competitor, and then saying why your better" and this is exactly why I don't think Cena's good on the mic at all. His in ring work speaks for itself because you can tell wrestling is fake watching him but, in my opinion, he's a very overrated talker. If he isn't pandering to the crowd (which is just incredibly sad when, 9 times out of 10, they shit on him anyway), he is no selling his opponent.
Is John Cena going to achieve the impossible and get Reigns over? Can't he go away and come back for the big PPVs like other part timers? I was looking forward to the Joe vs Reigns feud. Now Joe will get pushed back into some meaningless feud because Super Cena had to come back.
We get it, you hate Cena and Reigns and think fans have been deserting to product.
If only you could share these feelings every single time you post in this thread that would be great.
And what's all that bollocks in bold. Did you miss the years of Hogan, Jericho, Rock and Austin talking in third person, verbally shitting on their opponents on a weekly basis. Since when the feck did trash talk and promos Have to have the talker, talk up his opponents. When has this ever been A necessity ? Except when it involves John Cena of course. Your agenda act is tiring, it's killing the thread.
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It funny because Cena often does go out of his way to say he respects his opponents etc. because that's part of his act.
Anyway Cena is not even comparable to Reigns so not sure why they're put in the same bracket. Cena was over as feck with the fans back in the day. And was an excellent heel before that.
I had a feeling someone would say this as, admittedly, I have gone on a bit recently since coming back to the product. I do talk about other stuff (at the top of the page!) but, if it's killing the thread, I'll keep schtum. FWIW, I don't hate either of them. If I say so-and-so is a bad wrestler/actor/singer/footballer/etc it doesn't mean I hate them - they're just not my cup of tea.
There is no agenda and I accept that it is hypocritical of me thinking about it. I take that bit back. I guess, along with the pandering, what I don't like is how it always comes down to Cena's opponent breaking kayfabe, saying he's buried this and that guy, and how he's been handed everything, to Cena's rebuttal being all about how hard he's worked, how he's earned everything, how they're making excuses for themselves, etc, and the guys just have to stand there and take it everytime. This is on both Cena and whoever is opponent is - plus the writers/whoever. They could try something new.
After this I won't go on about them anymore but, in Cena's case, even though I think he's been a big problem with the product for many years and I've never been a fan, he is my brothers favourite so I have no problem with him himself. My brother has Downs Syndrome and Cena's never give up stuff really inspires him (and a lot of others, too) so that's lovely.
Very few people did that, even back in the day. The only person who sticks to that rule really now is Paul Heyman, but that's only because he's actually got to sell that someone has a chance against Lesnar, when most of us know he's probably not losing for a long time.
Mae Young Classic thoughts for the opening four shows:
- I expected some would come in and feel it was a mixed bag, I kind of felt I knew what to expect from the opening round. Expected the experienced talent to deliver well but a couple of average matches due to inexperience. I don't like the tournament being compared to the CWC like I've seen at all, two completely different tournaments. There's a few inexperienced women in the first round here who are clearly still green and learning the ropes so I expected a couple of matches to fall short of par.
- Graves should have been on commentary. Nothing will convince me otherwise. I don't care who with, he'd have sold the sh*t out of this tournament.
- If people that haven't seen Kairi are buying into her after that match then they're in for a treat, that's her barely getting into second gear. I don't feel there's any better sympathetic female babyface out there.
- Welcome to Toni Storm. It was just a matter of time really. I'd be shocked if she isn't signed full time by the end of next year, probably sooner than that.
- I hope Baszler wins over a few that maybe doubted her coming into this. The finish to her opening round match was brilliant and working in Japan has really helped her. Mark my words on this too, Baszler/Bayley would be money and it needs to happen.
- On the above, working over with Stardom in Japan has helped Blanchard a good amount too. She's still got a way to go and was helped to shine nicely through Kairi in the tournament but she deserves credit. She's taken a lot of sh*t from fans all over, including some Stardom fans, clearly doing very well at the age of 22 though.
- KLR going out in the first round was a strange one, they made a mistake there.
Good opening round. The next round will be even better with the semi's likely being fantastic. Can't wait for next Monday.
- I expected some would come in and feel it was a mixed bag, I kind of felt I knew what to expect from the opening round. Expected the experienced talent to deliver well but a couple of average matches due to inexperience. I don't like the tournament being compared to the CWC like I've seen at all, two completely different tournaments. There's a few inexperienced women in the first round here who are clearly still green and learning the ropes so I expected a couple of matches to fall short of par.
- Graves should have been on commentary. Nothing will convince me otherwise. I don't care who with, he'd have sold the sh*t out of this tournament.
- If people that haven't seen Kairi are buying into her after that match then they're in for a treat, that's her barely getting into second gear. I don't feel there's any better sympathetic female babyface out there.
- Welcome to Toni Storm. It was just a matter of time really. I'd be shocked if she isn't signed full time by the end of next year, probably sooner than that.
- I hope Baszler wins over a few that maybe doubted her coming into this. The finish to her opening round match was brilliant and working in Japan has really helped her. Mark my words on this too, Baszler/Bayley would be money and it needs to happen.
- On the above, working over with Stardom in Japan has helped Blanchard a good amount too. She's still got a way to go and was helped to shine nicely through Kairi in the tournament but she deserves credit. She's taken a lot of sh*t from fans all over, including some Stardom fans, clearly doing very well at the age of 22 though.
- KLR going out in the first round was a strange one, they made a mistake there.
Good opening round. The next round will be even better with the semi's likely being fantastic. Can't wait for next Monday.
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This was a terrible segment, it makes Corbin look weak and stupid, Tye is a jobber and AJ gains nothing from it
Smackdown in itself was terrible.
Can you remember when Smackdown was better than Raw for a while?
Can you remember when Smackdown was better than Raw for a while?
Smackdown in itself was terrible.
Can you remember when Smackdown was better than Raw for a while?
Before the brand shake up probably, it seemed Vince wanted to halt SDL's progress because before it was better than Raw. He did it before back in the early 2000s as well.
Only two weeks on Smackdown and I can already say Bobby Roode's booking has been terrible.
As much as I hate Ziggler, his promo was right.
Lots of wrestlers with flashy, flamboyant entrances and feck all character to go with it.
Lots of wrestlers with flashy, flamboyant entrances and feck all character to go with it.
It's basically WCW Thunder at this point.
Smackdown in itself was terrible.
Can you remember when Smackdown was better than Raw for a while?
Didnt this go hand in hand with Road Dogg becoming the writer?
also goes in hand with Orton / Jinder becoming champion. They ruined the main part of the show and it filters into everything else.
Move Joe to Smackdown ffs.
Jinder cuts the same promo every week. Corbin is a joke. Rusev and KO are booked like jokes.
I'm hoping Rusev interferes in the match next week. I don't want to see Jinder in a one vs one title defence. Just make it a fatal four way or something.
Road Dogg is a mess.
Jinder cuts the same promo every week. Corbin is a joke. Rusev and KO are booked like jokes.
I'm hoping Rusev interferes in the match next week. I don't want to see Jinder in a one vs one title defence. Just make it a fatal four way or something.
Road Dogg is a mess.
Jinder =
