The internet has ruined Wrestling.
There are no surprises anymore
There are no surprises anymore
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It's definitely played it's part but you only have to watch WWE events and see the reaction of some marks to see that there are people out there who still absolutely love it and believe it. Those are great moments.
Great video this but then you've got your cynical cnuts making stupid comments and describing the kids as "stupid little bastards". Ironically 11 years ago you can bet your bottom fecking dollar they were doing the same thing when Austin joined the alliance.
Agree about the naivety. I grew up during the Attitude era thinking wrestling was 100% real! Obviously being older and wiser I can appreciate wrestling for what it is. However some of WWE's booking has been puzzling at best. They don't seem to follow all the way through with storylines. The best feuds last year were Randy Orton vs. Christian and Punk vs. Cena but even Punk's run was cut short due to storyline boardroom antics that weren't needed.
That fecking bastard!!
It's was only speculation that Jericho was going to start an angle with Punk but it made sense as Punk was without an opponent following beating Del Rio and Jericho was returning. Cena was tied up and it does not really do Punk much good to go into mania against an up and comer yet(Ziggler, Rhodes or Barrett, for example), as he could do with going over an established heel at mania first. The whole thing with Johnie Ace cannot carry a mania match alone just to complete his year.
If WWE have alternate plans then that's fine, I don't think Jericho has to fued with Punk, but so far Jericho's been booked in an angle with no one and the crowd don't know if he is face, heel or what. Use him FFS, he's one of the biggest draws in the company and one of the best to put over future stars. Literally anyone of Punk, Sheamus, Rhodes, Bryan, Barrett etc would benefit from matches and an angle with Jericho especially in a roster which has lost HHH, Undertaker and Micheals full time in the last two years,
If the plan is to get Jericho in a programme with Taker then good, it would be a MOTY candidate, but at least give him some focus.
Similarly Orton came back to the Rumble and had no angle with anyone and no build up before the PPV. It's just odd Orton got no hype on his return and Jericho got plenty but it's not being directed anywhere or with anyone. For me, outside of Cena, they are the two biggest active wrestlers on the roster(not including Taker or HHH for obvious reasons). Punk's feud with Ziggler is obviously temporary and Kane is with Cena until the Rock is ready for a pre Mania program. Taker and HHH have nothing at present.
I'd expect the 'road to wrestlemania' to have alot more definition and direction that what WWE have offered and to be honest the potential for good storylines is there and being wasted. They are going be rushing angles for Mania matches over the next PPV and tv shows. There's no build up to any angle other than the Cena/Rock one and Rock's been gone since SS.
I don't think Bryan was going to be booked to face Henry or Show at mania. I think the Rumble was the end of the fued and Bryan was going to move onto a new opponent(either Orton or Sheamus). I don't think Orton is going to be involved with Barrett or Rhodes again long term so he might be involved in that title match as well. WWE love their three way wrestlemania dances and Sheamus and Bryan would benefit from Orton being in their fued.
That's actually quite likely. Bryan vs. Sheamus doesn't exactly scream "Wrestlemania Title Match," at least through the eyes of the "WWE Universe." Orton would add some star power to the match.
Barrett and Rhodes, I could see Barrett ending up in MITB, and Rhodes facing Goldust?
Of course, that's assuming that we have the same champions come Wrestlemania. I've got a feeling that one of the world titles will have a different holder after Elimination Chamber.
I don't think the Internet has ruined wrestling. THe Internet was very much alive during the attitude era. I knew about Jericho, the Radicalz and NWO going to WWE long before they appeared.
I have only just got back into watching regularly this year and what strikes me now is there is no real long term plan or pay off with most of the angles, especially on RAW. Punk streamrolled through about six mini angles since MITB up until the Rumble and has mini fueds with Cena, Nash, HHH, Mcmahon, Awesome Truth, Miz alone, Del Rio, Johnie Ace and Ziggler. It's just so rapid. On Raw, wrestlers seem to just fly through fueds and sometimes angles are just discontinued with no explanation.
Cena's real fued is with the Rock but he's similarly been involved with as many sub plots as Punk with no real direction.
The way Jericho has been booked is very similar and the whole thing with HHH as CEO was shot through at a rate of knots, as was Awesome Truth invasion angle.
Back in the day, the whole Alliance angle was criticised as being to rapid and lacked planning but that angle has two of the best feuds of the 00's in Angle/Austin and Jericho and Rock and had a conclusion. The defections at the end where abit poorly planned but the angle was far more carfully planned than today's.
Smackdown, I have noticed, tend to build their angles up much more carefully and those wrestlers have two to three PPV matches and then close the angle. It does the wrestlers on that roster much more benefit. Noticeably most of the rising stars are on that brand and the championship feuds(i.e. Christian/Orton, Orton/Henry, Henry, Show and Bryan) have been better quality.
If it was not for Punk's promo and the fact that he got into a great feud with Cena, Raw wouldn not have a good feud the whole time I have rewatched this year when it should be the better show. It's still entertaining but not as good as it should be.
This is probably true and I don't watch or have enough interest in wrestling nowadays to argue otherwise.
On the other hand, back in the day, they would never have given someone the big, hyped up return build up for weeks/months, just so they could come out and prance around in a glow in the dark jacket, and then participate pointlessly in the Royal Rumble. Everything was dramatic...ridiculously over dramatic, to the point it was almost a comedy...and more or less everything happened and planned out with a reason or developing story in mind.
It just seems so much more poorly put together now. It comes across as a mess of abandoned angles and half finished, weak storylines that don't go anywhere. Looking at the comments on the CM Punk match...you're not telling me that ten years ago, Vince would have been a special guest referee, and the big twist would be that it turns out he does nothing of interest and calls the match fairly? There'd have been riots.
They've run out of ideas. You only have to look at the calibre of their "top" wrestlers these days; no real personality, just so ordinary. The ones that look like they could fit in with the wrestlers of old are Triple H and the Undertaker and guess what, they are the wrestlers of old! Back then they had Stone Cold, The Rock, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, The Ultimate Warrior, HBK to name just a few. All of whom had distinct personalities that could entertain. Now they have shit like CM Punk and Jack Swagger.
Latest HOF inductee:
Mike Tyson
It's hard to take the WWE HOF seriously if they're doing shit like that.
Let's be honest here. Yes I watched the Attitude era as a child and for the most part I thought it was real. But this whole PG rating and the ADHD that the writers seem to have has ruined WWE for me. When I actually decide to watch WWE, now I don't even look to watch the actual matches half the time because there's very few actually good performers anymore. The days of Mankind/Undertaker and Shane O Mac jumping off the titantron are long gone and that is pretty shit to me. They could at least make it up in terms of the storytelling but they're so scatterbrained they could never pull it off
did anyone else expect a Ref to enter the rumble last night?
Not sure this is the right place but The Wrestler is on film 4 right now if anyone is interested.
I've ignored every post because I missed the royal rumble but is there anywhere where I can watch a repeat. Also did Aksana wrestle?
I'll Pm you Neo...
Cheers man.
CM Punk is one of the very few I like these days. Him, Sheamus, Randy Orton, plus you've got Taker & HHH although they don't wrestle as much. I think Dolph Ziggler could be good, but is the level just at good now?
Oh for the days of Hulk Hogan, Big Boss Man, Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man, Demolition, Legion of Doom, Bret Hart, Million Dollar Man, Jake Roberts, Rick Rude, Mr Perfect. Then onto the Attitude Era with Stone Cold, The Rock, DX, Ken Shamrock, The Godfather, Goldust, New Age Outlaws, Mankind, Kane with his original mask.
You had great tag-teams and stables back then, where are they now?
I can't be the only one who thinks the product isn't too bad at the moment?? I've enjoyed the freshness that no Triple H has brought to things... Smackdown has been largely excellent as its been a showcase for Bryan, Barrett, Sheamus and Rhodes... whilst Mark Henry and the Big Show are doing some of the best stuff they've ever done.
Lest we forget that the MITB PPV last year was probably the best PPV for years... sure it's shit at times (and by shit, I mean really shit) but I think the talent at their disposal at the moment is pretty solid, and they turn out some good stuff more regularly then they have done in prior years.
Lest we forget that the MITB PPV last year was probably the best PPV for years... sure it's shit at times (and by shit, I mean really shit) but I think the talent at their disposal at the moment is pretty solid, and they turn out some good stuff more regularly then they have done in prior years.
I quite like it as well, if I didn't I wouldn't be watching it.
I think you;re on the right track. PG plays a big part, but part of it is that everybody tries to work out exactly what's going to happen, and trawl pages of non kayfabe news that helps them work out what's going to happen. Then when it happens, it's roll eyes time. Now we've grown up we don't just go OMG at moments we never saw coming, we've already talked before hand about 10 different scenarios we can think of happening and then when one happens, it was predictable.
When Johnny got in the ring for example, I rolled my eyes here comes the screw, I was actually surprised pleasantly that he didn't, because I'd already resigned myself beforehand to what was going to happen before I even watched the show. That's part of the problem.
And shit acting, considering he's got a broken back, Ryder wasn't feigning any pain whatsoever in the ring, but then again kids gloss over stuff like that, plus things like Big Show trying to pin Bryan 10 seconds into the match with Henry stood right behind him, like he's just going to stand there and do nothing 123 gg thanks for coming.
Anyway, back to the Rumble, I'm warming to Brodus's gimmick each time I see it, I don't see the point in Kane having a mask over a mask, I think it would be better if he just came out in his normal mask.
I missed the Rumble had to be in work early but just watched it, I spent most of the actual Rumble laughing. I was writing down my thoughts on notepad to see if I got anything right and put in here afterwards. I had to laugh hard when my Cole prediction came true.
Miz will last to number 22
Good to see Riley in the RR
Justin Gabriels hair is shit
LOL at Ricardo. I knew he was a decent wrestler on his own merit. I thought it was Del Rio at first, it's Ricardos music anyway that Del Rio nicked. Santino must have loved having someone to beat.
Socko and Cobra, I hope it's not too corny going forward.
Epico was good, the other one was shite.
Jerry Lawler!!!!!
Go with the drop kicks.
Zeke vs Brodus would be a good match if they could make it serious. Make it so.
Jinder Mahal, will probably get knocked out by Sheamus who I expect to be in the next 4.
Scratch that about Sheamus, Khali is here.
And there he goes.
wtf is that bike about Hunico.
Haha Booker, Cody will take him out. Please let Cole get in there at some point.
at Kofi walking on his hands. That could have gone terribly wrong.
Ziggler in. Last 4 could look like Ziggler, Sheamus, Jericho and Orton.
Jim Duggan WTF? Is this a piss take? Also he seems to have had his Weetabix today and is on fire.
Well. That was quick.
Wahey, Cody takes out Booker like I thought.
Cole!!!!! I knew it. that guy behind him can't believe it. 'WHAT? NOOO!!!'
Oh hello Mario, can't get his hat on. He'll probably throw himself over the top rope.
Kharma... that's interesting. Another woman in the RR. I thought she was preggers.
They'll probably let Cole steal a knock out so he can brag about it a million times to JR like his WM record.
LOL without any word of a lie I swear I typed the 3rd line above out as he entered the ring.
Sheamus in... in in 8 instead of 4... Miz hasn't done anything for ages.
Road Dogg, love it. Was actually watching him on Youtube the other day.. Seriously though I didn't realise any of these guys were actually superstars still, are they on Legends contracts? I thought it was any superstar could join in. HBK and XPac will be out soon.
'and you got eliminated by a woman!'
New music for Barrett. I think he could actually be in the top 4 instead of Ziggler. That gives us Barrett/Sheamus who have been talking it up in the build up, Orton on his recovery and Jericho
#27, Good to see Otunga back in the ring properly, don't like his lawyer gimmick, Miz has lasted longer than I thought.
Here's Orton straight into Barrett and Sheamus, I think it will be the 3 of them at the last 4.
Barrett gone. Thought he'd have lasted longer. That's him out of my final 4
Here he is, mr Jericho. Let's see if he does anything this time.
Yes he does... wrestling at last.
Wahey.. Big Show, Orton, Sheamus, Jericho. 3 out of 4 aint bad.
Two in quick succession, Sheamus and Jericho left. Jericho will probably win, shock horror! I suppose the lure of WM with Jericho for a championship plus Rock/Cena was too big to resist.
No mr Jericho, you can't pin him.
Haven't you been watching WWE? You don't slap Sheamus.
Sheamus wins, wow I actually thought Jericho would have it.
Good to see Riley in the RR
Justin Gabriels hair is shit
LOL at Ricardo. I knew he was a decent wrestler on his own merit. I thought it was Del Rio at first, it's Ricardos music anyway that Del Rio nicked. Santino must have loved having someone to beat.
Socko and Cobra, I hope it's not too corny going forward.
Epico was good, the other one was shite.
Jerry Lawler!!!!!
Go with the drop kicks.Zeke vs Brodus would be a good match if they could make it serious. Make it so.
Jinder Mahal, will probably get knocked out by Sheamus who I expect to be in the next 4.
Scratch that about Sheamus, Khali is here.
And there he goes.
wtf is that bike about Hunico.
Haha Booker, Cody will take him out. Please let Cole get in there at some point.
at Kofi walking on his hands. That could have gone terribly wrong.Ziggler in. Last 4 could look like Ziggler, Sheamus, Jericho and Orton.
Jim Duggan WTF? Is this a piss take? Also he seems to have had his Weetabix today and is on fire.
Well. That was quick.
Wahey, Cody takes out Booker like I thought.
Cole!!!!! I knew it.
that guy behind him can't believe it. 'WHAT? NOOO!!!' Oh hello Mario, can't get his hat on. He'll probably throw himself over the top rope.
Kharma... that's interesting. Another woman in the RR. I thought she was preggers.
They'll probably let Cole steal a knock out so he can brag about it a million times to JR like his WM record.
LOL without any word of a lie I swear I typed the 3rd line above out as he entered the ring.
Sheamus in... in in 8 instead of 4... Miz hasn't done anything for ages.
Road Dogg, love it. Was actually watching him on Youtube the other day.. Seriously though I didn't realise any of these guys were actually superstars still, are they on Legends contracts? I thought it was any superstar could join in. HBK and XPac will be out soon.
'and you got eliminated by a woman!'New music for Barrett. I think he could actually be in the top 4 instead of Ziggler. That gives us Barrett/Sheamus who have been talking it up in the build up, Orton on his recovery and Jericho
#27, Good to see Otunga back in the ring properly, don't like his lawyer gimmick, Miz has lasted longer than I thought.
Here's Orton straight into Barrett and Sheamus, I think it will be the 3 of them at the last 4.
Barrett gone. Thought he'd have lasted longer. That's him out of my final 4
Here he is, mr Jericho. Let's see if he does anything this time.
Yes he does... wrestling at last.
Wahey.. Big Show, Orton, Sheamus, Jericho. 3 out of 4 aint bad.
Two in quick succession, Sheamus and Jericho left. Jericho will probably win, shock horror! I suppose the lure of WM with Jericho for a championship plus Rock/Cena was too big to resist.
No mr Jericho, you can't pin him.
Haven't you been watching WWE? You don't slap Sheamus.
Sheamus wins, wow I actually thought Jericho would have it.
It also shows in the spoiler above expanding a bit on the first part of my post, when we constantly try and predict things and they come true nothing is ever a surprise anymore, and when what you think is going to happen doesn't happen, you don't really appreciate it that much because you're just glad it wasn't 'as predictable' as you thought. I just accept that now and just watch the show.
About the Kofi handwalk, if he had fecked it up and eliminated himself, would it have really mattered? Sure, he'd look a bit of a numpty, but the commentators could gloss over it with "oh, great effort" and he wasn't going to win anyway.
Wouldn't be as bad as somebody accidentally eliminating Riley (I think it was) last year, anyway.
Wouldn't be as bad as somebody accidentally eliminating Riley (I think it was) last year, anyway.
Depends, I've already forgotten how much longer he lasted and whether he eliminated anybody. There's another example of my shit memory that goes back to the thread I made. If he lasted much longer and eliminated anyone, they would have had to have other plans in place for another superstar to pick up the slack and get rid of whoever he did.
I don't think he's feuding with anyone currently, so there'd be no one in there that the company would be saying "right, you have to eliminate this guy for storyline reasons." For example, you had Miz eliminate R-Truth, and Orton eliminate Barrett.
A check tells me he didn't actually eliminate anybody at all. But if we imagine that Kofi was meant to eliminate Bob Wrestlerman, and he botched the handwalk, then Bob would probably grab the person closest to him in a headlock, and mutter "Kofi fell over, you'll have to throw me out." The company aren't going to mind too much. It'd be an accident, so it's not like somebody's taken the result into their own hands.
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure the referees have Vince or somebody talking to them throughout, so he'd probably go "oi, tell that guy to eliminate Bob." When the wrestlers are near the ropes, it's easy for the referee to slip them some instructions.
Edit: You probably either already knew that, or had no interest in knowing that. I just decided I felt like typing.
A check tells me he didn't actually eliminate anybody at all. But if we imagine that Kofi was meant to eliminate Bob Wrestlerman, and he botched the handwalk, then Bob would probably grab the person closest to him in a headlock, and mutter "Kofi fell over, you'll have to throw me out." The company aren't going to mind too much. It'd be an accident, so it's not like somebody's taken the result into their own hands.
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure the referees have Vince or somebody talking to them throughout, so he'd probably go "oi, tell that guy to eliminate Bob." When the wrestlers are near the ropes, it's easy for the referee to slip them some instructions.
Edit: You probably either already knew that, or had no interest in knowing that. I just decided I felt like typing.
Whoever the Purple Aki sign guy was bought another ticket.
Exactly, I've had convos with people who moan about unpredictability, yet they spend time on wrestlezone etc. What the feck do you expect?
Yeah, the RAW writers wet themselves very quickly it seems, especially lately, they could have made a lot more of a few feuds but they just blow it off. It's not always been like that though. Jericho and HBK had a great feud on RAW a few years back, Edge/Cena, Cena/Batista.
Unforgiven 2000, Austin was special ref in a 6 pack challenge, everyone thought he'd screw HHH, he didn't
And I've liked Jericho's return, he's been funny, it's different.
This is awesome.
Oh great, we get a rematch of the utterly shit match from last year.
Let me change that to - that could have been awesome.
Swerve, bitches.
If WWE decide to do an angle where Taker goes around asking people for Mania matches, and then looking sad when they refuse, that'd be fine.
that would be amazing. Imagine Taker begging Tyler Reks for a Mania match, and he tells him he'll have to check his diary...Anyway, really good Raw I thought... Excellent start to the Wrestlemania run.
Notes
- Bryan is great on the Mic... him suddenly saying he was a role model because he's a vegan was great. He should definitley remain oblivious to the fact that people don't like him... it just makes people hate him all the more.
- Sheamus got a really loud pop... think the Rumble was an excellent star making moment for him.
- Orton Ziggler was a very good match, though Zigglers got a bit of a raw deal in the last 2 nights. He's gone from number 1 contender, to guy who was beat 3 or 4 times by CM Punk and never had a chance, to afterthought in the Rumble, to losing clean to and Orton premeditated RKO... not even a suprise one!
- Liked the Barrett commenting from the skybox... did a much better job of plugging there Smackdown match then him on commentary would have done... made it seem all the more serious for some reason. Also, Barrett is excellent on the mic
- Bryan vs Punk was awesome. Loved it, and the finished made a lot of sense.
- Having said that, was a big enough deal made out of the fact that it was champion vs champion?
- Kofi's handstand will give him an excellent push. That alone has made his apperance in the Chamber totally justifiable...
- Johnny Ace is great... he should be the perma RAW GM.
- Good return for Taker, even if it was just a bunch of staring...
- I'm one of the few that thought the Taker vs. HHH match from last year was poor. They hit their finishes far too early, and the rest of the match became a bunch of tired lumbering around with finishers being hit constantly
The Undertaker is back, feck yeah
I love him.
I love him.
The Undertaker is back, feck yeah
I love him.
Back to bury all the talent.
I marked out at the end. UNDERTAKER'S BACK!!!
A photo of Undertaker appeared on the internet several months ago, well supposedly it was him in the photo and he looked to have a bald head under the hat he was wearing. Now it was said that the photo was definitely not fake.
Looking at him on Raw this week, the hair doesn't look right. The hair does look a bit fake.
Looking at him on Raw this week, the hair doesn't look right. The hair does look a bit fake.
Differing opinions on that photo. The face looks a hell of a lot older, I'm not convinced it's him.
Forever alone.Unfortunately I think eventually HHH will end up accepting the match, but at least this is much better than him accepting the match immediately and then them posturing for a few months. It gives them an excuse to get Shawn Michaels involved.
One thing worth noting is that Undertaker was injured for their match (his shoulder I think) last year. They made it no holds barred specifically so they could avoid a lot of the wrestling. If Taker is completely healthy this time around, we'll probably get a much better match.
Oh and that was definitely a wig last night. Or at least extensions of some sort.
Unfortunately I think eventually HHH will end up accepting the match, but at least this is much better than him accepting the match immediately and then them posturing for a few months. It gives them an excuse to get Shawn Michaels involved.
One thing worth noting is that Undertaker was injured for their match (his shoulder I think) last year. They made it no holds barred specifically so they could avoid a lot of the wrestling. If Taker is completely healthy this time around, we'll probably get a much better match.
Oh and that was definitely a wig last night. Or at least extensions of some sort.
Defo a wig! Wasn't a hint of ginger in it either!