I watched a TNA show the other week, FML! it was awful, and I thought RAW had become really poor, this shit took it to a new level.
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I think @Guy is dixie carter. Its the only thing that makes sense.
TNA may be in a better or worse situation next year because of the DA deal getting renewed or not, but from what I've seen in WON and other reports there is not much chance of them packing it in as a promotion entirely even if they have to go another station. The problem in delaying paychecks was about six months ago but was bad yes.
But bear in mind this all started off because of an odd remark that it's better to be a jobber on RAW than to ever go to TNA. As an example there are many wrestlers you would heard of on the around the $100,000 mark in salary, TNA could very realistically improve on their deals and promise to give them more television time than with WWE. Hence why I think the statement is wrong and has no backing to it at all other than a superficial prejudice.
I was about to start at the top and go from how a lot of these deals were renewed this year under the Destination America deal, but I won't bother as there's a history here of @phelans shorts being supremely, almost arrogantly, confident about something related to wrestling (like planned PPV endings), and then later attributing this to 'sources', and then silently silently dropping off the conversation.
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That's just nonsense y'all.
TNA's stuff in 2014 with Bobby Lashley's title run was the best they've been in a long time, but yeah they've returned to being awful lately.
Incidentally if you're after an improvement on RAW, I recommend LU if haven't seen it already.
A few mates and myself attended one of TNA's shows at Wembley a few years back for a laugh and to see Kurt Angle, RVD, Hogan. (Not a TNA fan but went in without prejudice / knowing much about it's naff reputation).
It was entertaining but only in the way Botchamania is entertaining. As a large production at Wembley it was largely a shambles. The show was built around a tournament where the winner became the number one contender for a championship match (at least that's what I think the Hulkster told the crowd, the sound over the p.a was bad). Moving forward I hope the sound / titantron operator got the sack as they noticeably had the wrong video for wrestler's entrances on more than a few occassions, this wouldn't have been as noticeable if it wasn't for the fact that male wrestlers were coming out with a female wrestlers video behind them.
The tournament was extremely 'meh' and at the end of it Hulk Hogan came out and awarded the number 1 contender spot to Bubba Ray Dudley......because he said he liked him. The guy that won the tournament wasn't spoken about and I don't think Bubba Ray actually wrestled that night so this was a straight up WTF moment. Straight after this when we thought the show had ended the same wrestlers came out wearing different clothes and talking about "last week", it turned out they were filming 2 back to back shows for tv, which I kind of understand but the communication with the fans was poor and I think a sizeable amount left because they thought the show was over.
It was a clusterfeck. But worth it to see Angle, Hogan, RVD
It was entertaining but only in the way Botchamania is entertaining. As a large production at Wembley it was largely a shambles. The show was built around a tournament where the winner became the number one contender for a championship match (at least that's what I think the Hulkster told the crowd, the sound over the p.a was bad). Moving forward I hope the sound / titantron operator got the sack as they noticeably had the wrong video for wrestler's entrances on more than a few occassions, this wouldn't have been as noticeable if it wasn't for the fact that male wrestlers were coming out with a female wrestlers video behind them.
The tournament was extremely 'meh' and at the end of it Hulk Hogan came out and awarded the number 1 contender spot to Bubba Ray Dudley......because he said he liked him. The guy that won the tournament wasn't spoken about and I don't think Bubba Ray actually wrestled that night so this was a straight up WTF moment. Straight after this when we thought the show had ended the same wrestlers came out wearing different clothes and talking about "last week", it turned out they were filming 2 back to back shows for tv, which I kind of understand but the communication with the fans was poor and I think a sizeable amount left because they thought the show was over.
It was a clusterfeck. But worth it to see Angle, Hogan, RVD
There's a good wiki article here about 'LOLTNA' moments. It concentrates mostly on the earlier years, but some of it is pretty funny.
Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, and Ric Flair are all on Oct 19 RAW!!!
Rumours of Taker vs Cena or Taker vs Stone Cold at WM.
Rumours of Taker vs Cena or Taker vs Stone Cold at WM.
I doubt Stone Cold will take part in anything other than a host role at WrestleMania, as his past neck injuries were quite serious and when he last teased possibly going against Brock at WM32 on his podcast, Vince was pissed as there was no plans for him to have a match. Austin also said himself he almost definitely won't have another match.
Just after my birthday weekend - safe to say I'll probably be off work recovering. Should be a fun watch.
ok then.Those are Spike contracts. If you think TNA are offering and paying that much out when they're generating no income then you are pretty deluded.
In other news, Dave "Melty" Meltzer, Charlotte's biggest fan, admitted that Nikki carried her on Sunday. But Nikki can't work, remember.
Here are three renewals from three months after TNA began on Destination America, including Bobby Lashley who is reportedly the second highest earner on the TNA roster. Also bear in mind that TNA also would have been aware many months in advance they were moving off Spike and negotiated new deals in that knowledge, including with Kurt Angle in December, one month before moving over.
Those are Spike contracts. If you think TNA are offering and paying that much out when they're generating no income then you are pretty deluded.
And do you genuinely believe they are generating no income? I have no special love for TNA - they've produced good matches but have had awful periods as well - but some of the views of people in this thread are so off base it's baffling.
According to Ryder Bram has signed 4 new multi year contracts in the past year. He's not a reliable source. A large portion of Lashley's wages come from Bellator anyway, not TNA.
TNA are making no money at all. As mentioned they are yet to sell a single ticket in 2015. They give away all of them. No one is buying their PPVs or One Night Only shows and they've found themselves on a tonne of DNA lists. They bring good ratings by Destination America standards, but that's about it.
Fwiw I want a second promotion to run and run well, TNA have ballsed everything up so often they need to just go away and let someone competent take their place, because they've always managed to screw themselves over. Dixie Carter's incompetence is off the charts and is beginning to reach the point where she's dragging all non-WWE wrestlings name through the mud.
You mean where Bram was pushed up the card in the meantime so he renegotiated his deal? This is nothing to do with Ryder being a reliable source or not.
TNA pay Lashley $450,000 a year and that's nothing to do with Bellator, who have a separate contract.
And TNA are paid by Destination America for their programming, and this quite a large source of revenue for them (as it is for RAW, which is why it's three hours long). Their PPV buyrates are nowhere near WWE's, but typically float around the 10,000 mark which again is not nothing. So where is this 'TNA is making no money at all' thing coming from?
As I said above this sort of stuff is bizarre. It's like you take a talking point ("TNA have sold no tickets in 2015") and try to cobble it into an overall narrative even when it makes so sense at all. And I presume you've dropped the 'all of TNA's current contracts assumed Spike TV money' point?
10k views for a ppv....do you know how little that is? it's probably costing them more to put on the show, I wouldn't be surprised if they are out of pocket after an event.
Not really.
Their PPVs are typically $30-40, so assuming a 10k buyrate that would be $300-400,000 gross.
Cable providers typically take quite a large proportion of this (this is a large part of the reason WWE made and pushed the WWE Network), so that would leave maybe half, so I guess maybe $150-200,000 would go to TNA (again hypothetical and largely assumptive).
TNA don't really hire arenas or stadiums and go for smaller venues or even their Impact studios (so there is no extra rent involved), so there is a lot of room for them to draw profit from those events.
Their PPVs are typically $30-40, so assuming a 10k buyrate that would be $300-400,000 gross.
Cable providers typically take quite a large proportion of this (this is a large part of the reason WWE made and pushed the WWE Network), so that would leave maybe half, so I guess maybe $150-200,000 would go to TNA (again hypothetical and largely assumptive).
TNA don't really hire arenas or stadiums and go for smaller venues or even their Impact studios (so there is no extra rent involved), so there is a lot of room for them to draw profit from those events.
Its worse than that I think, I read somewhere that the WWE only got between 10-20% of the PPV money. Hence why they can now charge $9.99 for the network, instead of $60.00 for a PPV as all the profit is now staying in house. It was worse for WCW and Heyman mentioned at one point that sometimes ECW wouldn't get paid the money for their PPVs at all but who knows if that can be believed.
So TNA is at best only getting 20% of their PPV profits depending on the type of deal that they've negotiated. This could work for them depending on how much they pay their wrestlers and what their expenses are. If they overpay their stars like WCW did, Hogan reportedly made $3 million a Year back in 1996, the same salary that John Cena is reportedly on right now, then they are in trouble.
TNA stopped doing monthly PPVs cos it was costing them.
There is no way they can pay midcard WWE guys to come across and be main eventers. Theres a reason they cant do house shows, travel, or have had to renegotiate so many contracts to be basically pay per appearance.
Plus ff it was that easy, wrestlers in WWE would be going across to TNA and nobody would be wanting to actively leave TNA.
Lets face it, Angle has wanted to leave for years. Guys like Bully Ray, Christian, RVD, Joe, would rather be with WWE (or NXT) then TNA.
How many people have actively chosen to really leave WWE for TNA? Most TNA guys are guys WWE deemed they didnt have anything for.
There is no way they can pay midcard WWE guys to come across and be main eventers. Theres a reason they cant do house shows, travel, or have had to renegotiate so many contracts to be basically pay per appearance.
Plus ff it was that easy, wrestlers in WWE would be going across to TNA and nobody would be wanting to actively leave TNA.
Lets face it, Angle has wanted to leave for years. Guys like Bully Ray, Christian, RVD, Joe, would rather be with WWE (or NXT) then TNA.
How many people have actively chosen to really leave WWE for TNA? Most TNA guys are guys WWE deemed they didnt have anything for.
And now you don't have to watch Smackdown this week:
The greatest act in WWE right now.The high money deals were done under Spike TV money, with the possible exception of Kurt. I'm not sure they even knew what deal they were going to when they signed Kurt, as Kurt is someone who would be an influencer in a network saying yes or no. By comparison to Spike TV, DA are paying a pittance. Combining these facts with the rest of the facts such as the zero tickets sold (you're really underselling this point. It's fecking huge).
Also on the PPV's, you neglect to mention that this year they had a whopping 1 PPV, with all tickets complimentary. The PPV has never had its buyrate revealed, but based on the interest levels going in 5-8K would seem like a reasonable guess at what they got.
They are so great. Paige and Nattie were also great on Smackdown.
Lads this is such a boring fecking conversation
Exactly. Back to New Day being awesome.
Sting interview on wwe.com re: Night of Champions
http://www.wwe.com/inside/sting-interviewed-about-night-of-champions-injuries-27958909
http://www.wwe.com/inside/sting-interviewed-about-night-of-champions-injuries-27958909
The moment was disturbing to watch. At the 11:58 mark in his WWE World Heavyweight Title Match at Night of Champions, Sting was heaved backward through the air by his opponent Seth Rollins and into one of the turnbuckles. Upon impact, the iconic Superstar's head snapped back with alarming velocity. Once he landed, his legs betrayed him, and he wobbled out of the corner, his right leg faltering so completely, he collapsed near the ropes. When Sting fell a second time, the referee waved in a WWE trainer to determine if The Icon was still able to compete. He insisted he was. And though Sting eventually lost the match, the WWE Universe took mild comfort in seeing him soldier on.
Since that night, rumors have been rampant as to what really transpired and whether or not Sting was truly as hurt as many had feared. Herein, The Vigilante speaks exclusively with WWE.com about what exactly went wrong, his thoughts on the title-retaining Seth Rollins and whether or not he'll ever compete again.
WWE.COM: It’s been a few days since your match at Night of Champions. How are you feeling?
STING: Aside from a stiff neck, I’m a little banged up, but otherwise, I feel good. Pretty standard after wrestling a match like that.
See photos from Sting's Night of Champions Match
WWE.COM: Can you set everyone straight on the extent of your injury, as you await further evaluation?
STING: Bottom line, I had tingling, numbness down both arms, all the way to my fingertips. And then, later in the match, I just fell wrong, whatever it was, and this time [the tingling and numbness] went down both arms and into my legs, and I couldn’t feel my legs too well. They just felt like rubber. I don’t know how to describe it. I had to go down on all fours there for a minute, get my composure. I was a little … I was worried.
Long term, well, I’m just going to take care of the short term first and see how the long term might play out.
Watch exclusive videos from Night of Champions
WWE.COM: What kind of treatment did you receive after your injury at Night of Champions?
STING: I was out in the hospital — out like a light. They had a neck brace on me, and they were pumping me with [medication] to get me out of pain. I had to do a CT scan and an MRI. They ended up talking to my wife, and I have some details from my wife, but I still have [further evaluation ahead]. They mentioned cervical spinal stenosis, but that’s only part of what I heard. I don’t know if there’s anything else. The doctor did tell my wife, “He’s going to have to get this dealt with. He’s lucky he walked out of there.”
WWE.COM: Is getting back in the ring again something you’d want to do? Do you have that desire to return?
STING: [long pause] Hmmm, in the right scenario … in the right scenario, yeah.
WWE.COM: Were you aware of exactly when your injury occurred during the match?
STING: Oh, yeah, definitely. Both times into the turnbuckle. First time was like a whiplash. [pause] It’s my fault, bottom line. I know better. The second time, I went up into the air and back toward the turnbuckle like that, I thought, “Well, that’s not going to happen again,” and it did. The second time was worse.
WWE.COM: That was when you lost your legs a bit.
STING: Yeah.
WWE.COM: Have you watched the match at all?
STING: No, I have not.
WWE.COM: Any desire?
STING: You know, for 30 years I have watched very, very little of myself wrestling, so I probably would not.
WWE.COM: Can you describe what was going through your mind toward the end when the referee stopped the match?
STING: The referee, the doctor, they’re all in there talking to me: “Are you OK? What’s going on? Can you continue? Are you all right? Tell us what’s happening.” And the whole time, I’m just thinking, “Oh, man, not now,” I mean, I want this to be good, you know? And if it ends up being the last thing I ever do in the ring, I don’t want to go out like this.
“God help me.” I’m trying to just shake it off, you know? “C’mon, c’mon.” I’m stamping my feet or moving my toes, just trying to get a feel back, get my legs back underneath me. It started to kind of clear up a little bit. My fingers were still tingling and all that, but my legs were not at that point. I said, “Let me try to continue, let’s just try it.” So I just stood up and walked away from them, and we continued.
WWE.COM: At one point, as the evaluation was happening, the crowd began chanting, “Sting! Sting! Sting!” Were you aware of that and, if so, did that help to motivate you?
STING: I don’t remember that now. I don’t remember a “Sting!” chant [during that evaluation], but I was very coherent. The doctors were talking to me — everyone was talking to me, so I knew what was going on. I’d like to say in the moment I had to have heard and understood what the crowd was doing. From the dive from the top rope onto Seth on the floor [prior to the evaluation], the crowd started a “Sting!” chant there, and I thought, “Wow.” I mean, they see this [type of maneuver] every other minute, but coming from the 56-year-old guy, I think they appreciated it all the more.
WWE.COM: How would you describe competing against Seth Rollins?
STING: The biggest pleasure. I’m honored. After 30 years and working with some of the best and some of the greatest, [Rollins] is, I’m telling you, he’s got to be the best I’ve ever worked with. I mean, this guy has it. And I think he’s just scratching the surface on what he will do. I’ve never seen somebody as talented. He’s working two [matches] on Raw, two [matches] on the pay-per-view, he’s involved in every other segment and it’s physical. He’s got guys coming from every angle. There’s a lot on his plate. He’s carrying a lot, and he’s handling it. He’s proven he can do it. I’m just glad I had a chance to work with him. He’s the kind of guy who could be in there with a broomstick and make something very interesting happen, a match that people would love somehow.
WWE.COM: That’s incredibly high praise coming from Sting.
STING: Really, I can’t say enough. He poked his head in the ambulance and said, “Man, I’m so sorry. I don’t know what happened.” I said, “Seth, don’t worry about it. It’s not your fault.” And he, for 15 minutes, he said, “I just wanted to tell you what an honor it was, what a pleasure. I can’t believe I had a chance to get in the ring with you and work with you. I was you for Halloween when I was a kid.” He was on and on about it, but man, this young guy, he doesn’t have any idea how much I appreciate being able to work with him.
WWE.COM: Well, where does that leave Sting? Was this your last match?
STING: I hate it when I’m asked that question because the answer truly is a question mark, and the question mark is as bold as it could ever be at this point.
WWE.COM: Wait and see?
STING: Yeah, for now.
WWE.COM: Well, the important thing is that you walked away from it. There’s been quite a bit of speculation on the Internet as to what happened, so thank you for taking the time to speak with us. Any closing words for your fans?
STING: I have not been on the Internet, but I have heard some things here and there. To be quite honest, I just shut myself in once I got home. I can’t tell you the number of text messages and phone calls I received. But listen, I’m grateful, thankful and appreciate wrestling fans now — after 30 years — I appreciate them now more than I ever have.
Since that night, rumors have been rampant as to what really transpired and whether or not Sting was truly as hurt as many had feared. Herein, The Vigilante speaks exclusively with WWE.com about what exactly went wrong, his thoughts on the title-retaining Seth Rollins and whether or not he'll ever compete again.
WWE.COM: It’s been a few days since your match at Night of Champions. How are you feeling?
STING: Aside from a stiff neck, I’m a little banged up, but otherwise, I feel good. Pretty standard after wrestling a match like that.
See photos from Sting's Night of Champions Match
WWE.COM: Can you set everyone straight on the extent of your injury, as you await further evaluation?
STING: Bottom line, I had tingling, numbness down both arms, all the way to my fingertips. And then, later in the match, I just fell wrong, whatever it was, and this time [the tingling and numbness] went down both arms and into my legs, and I couldn’t feel my legs too well. They just felt like rubber. I don’t know how to describe it. I had to go down on all fours there for a minute, get my composure. I was a little … I was worried.
Long term, well, I’m just going to take care of the short term first and see how the long term might play out.
Watch exclusive videos from Night of Champions
WWE.COM: What kind of treatment did you receive after your injury at Night of Champions?
STING: I was out in the hospital — out like a light. They had a neck brace on me, and they were pumping me with [medication] to get me out of pain. I had to do a CT scan and an MRI. They ended up talking to my wife, and I have some details from my wife, but I still have [further evaluation ahead]. They mentioned cervical spinal stenosis, but that’s only part of what I heard. I don’t know if there’s anything else. The doctor did tell my wife, “He’s going to have to get this dealt with. He’s lucky he walked out of there.”
WWE.COM: Is getting back in the ring again something you’d want to do? Do you have that desire to return?
STING: [long pause] Hmmm, in the right scenario … in the right scenario, yeah.
WWE.COM: Were you aware of exactly when your injury occurred during the match?
STING: Oh, yeah, definitely. Both times into the turnbuckle. First time was like a whiplash. [pause] It’s my fault, bottom line. I know better. The second time, I went up into the air and back toward the turnbuckle like that, I thought, “Well, that’s not going to happen again,” and it did. The second time was worse.
WWE.COM: That was when you lost your legs a bit.
STING: Yeah.
WWE.COM: Have you watched the match at all?
STING: No, I have not.
WWE.COM: Any desire?
STING: You know, for 30 years I have watched very, very little of myself wrestling, so I probably would not.
WWE.COM: Can you describe what was going through your mind toward the end when the referee stopped the match?
STING: The referee, the doctor, they’re all in there talking to me: “Are you OK? What’s going on? Can you continue? Are you all right? Tell us what’s happening.” And the whole time, I’m just thinking, “Oh, man, not now,” I mean, I want this to be good, you know? And if it ends up being the last thing I ever do in the ring, I don’t want to go out like this.
“God help me.” I’m trying to just shake it off, you know? “C’mon, c’mon.” I’m stamping my feet or moving my toes, just trying to get a feel back, get my legs back underneath me. It started to kind of clear up a little bit. My fingers were still tingling and all that, but my legs were not at that point. I said, “Let me try to continue, let’s just try it.” So I just stood up and walked away from them, and we continued.
WWE.COM: At one point, as the evaluation was happening, the crowd began chanting, “Sting! Sting! Sting!” Were you aware of that and, if so, did that help to motivate you?
STING: I don’t remember that now. I don’t remember a “Sting!” chant [during that evaluation], but I was very coherent. The doctors were talking to me — everyone was talking to me, so I knew what was going on. I’d like to say in the moment I had to have heard and understood what the crowd was doing. From the dive from the top rope onto Seth on the floor [prior to the evaluation], the crowd started a “Sting!” chant there, and I thought, “Wow.” I mean, they see this [type of maneuver] every other minute, but coming from the 56-year-old guy, I think they appreciated it all the more.
WWE.COM: How would you describe competing against Seth Rollins?
STING: The biggest pleasure. I’m honored. After 30 years and working with some of the best and some of the greatest, [Rollins] is, I’m telling you, he’s got to be the best I’ve ever worked with. I mean, this guy has it. And I think he’s just scratching the surface on what he will do. I’ve never seen somebody as talented. He’s working two [matches] on Raw, two [matches] on the pay-per-view, he’s involved in every other segment and it’s physical. He’s got guys coming from every angle. There’s a lot on his plate. He’s carrying a lot, and he’s handling it. He’s proven he can do it. I’m just glad I had a chance to work with him. He’s the kind of guy who could be in there with a broomstick and make something very interesting happen, a match that people would love somehow.
WWE.COM: That’s incredibly high praise coming from Sting.
STING: Really, I can’t say enough. He poked his head in the ambulance and said, “Man, I’m so sorry. I don’t know what happened.” I said, “Seth, don’t worry about it. It’s not your fault.” And he, for 15 minutes, he said, “I just wanted to tell you what an honor it was, what a pleasure. I can’t believe I had a chance to get in the ring with you and work with you. I was you for Halloween when I was a kid.” He was on and on about it, but man, this young guy, he doesn’t have any idea how much I appreciate being able to work with him.
WWE.COM: Well, where does that leave Sting? Was this your last match?
STING: I hate it when I’m asked that question because the answer truly is a question mark, and the question mark is as bold as it could ever be at this point.
WWE.COM: Wait and see?
STING: Yeah, for now.
WWE.COM: Well, the important thing is that you walked away from it. There’s been quite a bit of speculation on the Internet as to what happened, so thank you for taking the time to speak with us. Any closing words for your fans?
STING: I have not been on the Internet, but I have heard some things here and there. To be quite honest, I just shut myself in once I got home. I can’t tell you the number of text messages and phone calls I received. But listen, I’m grateful, thankful and appreciate wrestling fans now — after 30 years — I appreciate them now more than I ever have.
I'm fully down with that change of subject.
Who's left, Roman and Braun?
I'd guess so. Braun would lose from him but would still look good, or win due to Wyatt shenanigans. Roman if they really want to give them a push, but can't see them sell it without Ambrose around. Maybe handicap match?
Personally I'm expecting Brock vs Roman, or at a stretch maybe if they're carrying on the Wyatt's vs Shield +1 thing they would add Lesnar to that, which would be very odd and not something I see happening as you wouldn't put Brock in a tag match as it certainly wouldn't draw as big as Taker vs Lesnar.
It's getting to the time of year for putting Mania cards together in your head and seeing how close you get, and Roman vs Brock is on mine.
It's getting to the time of year for putting Mania cards together in your head and seeing how close you get, and Roman vs Brock is on mine.
Probably Brock vs Rock
Cena vs Taker?
Seth vs HHH
Though some of those wont make sense just not sure where they go with Brock unless hes going for the title?
Cena vs Taker?
Seth vs HHH
Though some of those wont make sense just not sure where they go with Brock unless hes going for the title?
Braun will flop. He won't have it in him to make a success once he stops being the new thing and starts facing Ziggler on RAW.
He will have a dancing gimmick after he loses to Cena.
The Braunasaurus.
Hornswoggle
John cena acts like the biggest ahole. His character is basically a heel, without being a heel.
Yep, New Day have been getting too popular. John needs to feast on that popularity.
First thing I thought
But it will be put with the narrative, "look how he put Xavier over"... by beating him ¬¬At least, it wont be a 3 on 1 he wins. Not saying Xavier should win either, just hope its competitive as fck this match, which it should be.
Edit: They did the right thing there esp considering theres a MSG show coming up.
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