There was no real need to rush them through though. I'm not a massive fan of having the belts on the Snoozos but that's better then rushing the Ascention through i suppose.
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No, Mizdow is a decent (no more) promo and average at best in the ring. He's in about the best role he could hope for right now.
Again, I don't understand how the Ascension, a team devoid of any wrestling skill, could be put in anything other than squash matches.
It's a team that's only got one thing going for them. A creepy look. A look that is only creepy because one looks like a fat rat and the other looks like an elderly sex offender.
All the more reason NOT to have them squash the former champions on raw! and i totally (but respectfully) disagree on your evaluation of Sandows (can we go back to sandow please) wrestling ability.
If they'd have had them wrestle the crowd would have hated the Ascension even more than they did.
If they ever have them wrestle they'll lose the crowd instantly. It's not like they at least have the Young Bucks-lite crowd pleasing ability of the Uso's.
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I agree which was why it made no sense at all. Also what was that about the bucks being agents on raw? Is that a joke I'm not getting?
Look above.
No that's why it made perfect sense. The Ascension can't wrestle. At all.
There were almost as many super kicks on Raw as you get in a Bucks match.
The ending of Raw let down a really good show. Its only been a month and they are back ffs. And theyve made the Raws so shit since theyve been gone ugh.
It really did have a lot of ups and downs. Ascensions debut was ok but are they heels or faces? This is a problem for WWE. Plus having no other tag teams will be a problem. They have no division at all.
BNB returning is great but again, he should be a heel. Cesaro meanwhile should be a frustrated "wrestler" and should just wrestle being until he turns full badass face.
Bryan back is awesome. Rumble winners really should either be Reigns (who I think WWE want), Bryan (which would make an awesome WM main event) or Ziggler (the story they can tell would be fantastic)
Theyve killed Bray and Ambrose momentum in 2014 somehow. Just having them lose so many matches it makes no sense. At least Rollins as MITB but hes lost just as many matches and in stupid fashion, hes getting out down by Cena with his security despite a 3 on 1.
Reigns showing vulnerability is great but Big Show is such a bore and a non entity right now. He turns every three months and is made to look stupid every time hes a face that hes just as bad as Kane now.
Rybacks promo was decent and im glad they are letting him speak and not be a comedy character. Im interested to see how they book the Rusev vs Ryback match. Rusev should not be losing his undefeated streak to him but Ryback looked bad at Survivor Series after a great return.
It really did have a lot of ups and downs. Ascensions debut was ok but are they heels or faces? This is a problem for WWE. Plus having no other tag teams will be a problem. They have no division at all.
BNB returning is great but again, he should be a heel. Cesaro meanwhile should be a frustrated "wrestler" and should just wrestle being until he turns full badass face.
Bryan back is awesome. Rumble winners really should either be Reigns (who I think WWE want), Bryan (which would make an awesome WM main event) or Ziggler (the story they can tell would be fantastic)
Theyve killed Bray and Ambrose momentum in 2014 somehow. Just having them lose so many matches it makes no sense. At least Rollins as MITB but hes lost just as many matches and in stupid fashion, hes getting out down by Cena with his security despite a 3 on 1.
Reigns showing vulnerability is great but Big Show is such a bore and a non entity right now. He turns every three months and is made to look stupid every time hes a face that hes just as bad as Kane now.
Rybacks promo was decent and im glad they are letting him speak and not be a comedy character. Im interested to see how they book the Rusev vs Ryback match. Rusev should not be losing his undefeated streak to him but Ryback looked bad at Survivor Series after a great return.
So they did Bray vs Rowan on Smackdown with no build up or explanation this week apparently. Stupid booking
They did the same for Rowan vs Harper on Raw. These should be big matches for them with good build.
Whats funny is if you watch the Monday Night War on the network, all the stuff they are saying about WCW after the nWo can be applied to WWE right now. They have the same guys at the top from the last five-ten years, they bring in "celebrities" who dont add anything, they use the same storylines and rely on the same stuff, they are killing the talent ready for the next stage by having them look weak / lose against the established top guys.
The only difference is there isnt another entity to take advantage of the jaded fan viewership like WWE did with WCW fans.
Whats funny is if you watch the Monday Night War on the network, all the stuff they are saying about WCW after the nWo can be applied to WWE right now. They have the same guys at the top from the last five-ten years, they bring in "celebrities" who dont add anything, they use the same storylines and rely on the same stuff, they are killing the talent ready for the next stage by having them look weak / lose against the established top guys.
The only difference is there isnt another entity to take advantage of the jaded fan viewership like WWE did with WCW fans.
Don't worry, Jeff Jarretts GFW is about to step in...
There's plenty if anyone would give them a chance. GFW are putting out a show worldwide on behalf of New Japan on Sunday that's likely to be incredible but as seen in this thread no one has any interest in checking it out.
Oh yeah, dont get me wrong I know there are a lot of organisations, but I meant in terms of access to fans much like WCW and WWF was available during the 90s.
I'll probably watch it at some point.
They aren't even remotely similar what so ever. Over the hill talent were using their political power backstage to dominate in WCW among some of the absolute horrendous booking that followed at one stage.
Not sure what keeps giving people the idea that the WWE still has the 'same old people' at the top. In the last year or two they've brought through Bryan, Punk, Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt and to an extent Ziggler among a few others. They're then bringing through plenty on NXT that all have the potential to come through into the main scene over the next year. Who are the big guys at the top that have been there forever and are holding others down?
I like Cesaro, but he was awful on the mic. I was expecting something a bit better from him, but it was methodical. He's another one of those wrestlers who is very talented and can put on some excellent matches, but he doesn't have a character that can take him to the next level.
However, it's absolute nonsense that he doesn't "click" with the crowd. He was over around the time of WrestleMania 30 and had the crowd chant his name on the RAW after. Maybe they should have turned The Real Americans face. You could still have Zeb Colter as his mouthpiece and there would be no problem.
However, it's absolute nonsense that he doesn't "click" with the crowd. He was over around the time of WrestleMania 30 and had the crowd chant his name on the RAW after. Maybe they should have turned The Real Americans face. You could still have Zeb Colter as his mouthpiece and there would be no problem.
I'll watch it. Any idea what time it's on?
It's 7am our time iirc.
I am very interested I just need to find a stream and to figure out the uk start time etc.
I can't wait for the wrestle kingdom ppv. I wouldn't usually watch it without English commentary to explain some of the rivalries but with jim Ross you know he could explain a wrestlers character perfectly in the time it takes them to get to the ring.
Brock is champion and could leave after WM, Cena is number one contender, McMahon in charge. Its like were in 2004 all over again
Im not talking about political power backstage, im talking about similarities based on what they say about WCW and what were seeing on TV in the product.
From the ones you mentioned, Reigns, Ambrose, Wyatt, Ziggler, Rollins, who is an actual true main eventer from them?
-Rollins (along with J&J) got destroyed by Cena two nights in a row. The only crutch he has is the MITB (he will probably lose to Orton at WM)
-Bray lost in poor feud with Cena which killed his momentum so much they had to reintroduce the Wyatt Family and they arent in a better position at all.
-Ambrose is 0-5 at PPVs since the Shield breakup right? Theyve killed his momentum as well.
-Ziggler isnt but had his moment at Survivor Series so will be interesting to see where they go forward with him.
-Reigns it looks like theyre pushing to that spot so we shall see what comes from it
Cena is still the main event. I dont hate the guy and think when hes serious he has some of the best stuff in WWE (eg like with Edge and Punk and first feud with Rock)
But hes still the guy and the WWE gotoguy / crutch.
Given Authority are back (and look at last year of wrestling) looks like the show will be focused around HHH/Stephanie again.
Bryan only became champion because the crowds pretty much hijacked the shows by chanting his name so much they had no choice otherwise the original Batista/Orton feud would have main evented WM30 (werent they main eventers just less than 10 years ago as well)?
Theyve relied so much on Kane,Big Show, Cena, Orton, Jericho this year and from Rumble until he left Batista. and when hes appeared Brock. And of course the last few WMs (29 and 28) had The Rock.
Punk was hardly ever main event when he was champion lol (not to mention his momentum being killed for a Nash vs HHH vs text vs lockerroom walkout feud)
Hell wcw had built Goldberg in their latter years and destroyed his momentum by having Nash beat him and then the finger poke of doom to bring back nWo.
Yes they look to be integrating younger guys from NXT (development) then again heard the same about Shelton, Kennedy, MVP, Carlito, etc.
Hell weve seen whats happened to Bo Dallas :P
We shall see but there are so many similarities with the product on TV and some of their decisions.
@Sylar Bo Dallas is currently injured, don't worry, we can still Bolieve.
The problem they have now is that there is no heat for anyone, mostly because heels arent allowed to be heels. Without heat there is no reason to care about who wins, no psychology in ring and you basically just have a spot fest which leads to no one getting over. We are at the point where win-loss records mean feck all, because the top guys are just who we are told the top guys are, and we are just supposed to go with it.
I could rant for hours about what is wrong with today's product, but at the base level its just the fact that fundamentals (read: storyline and in ring psychology) are missing. Watch any Ric Flair match from the 80's/early 90's and you see the best wrestler of all time doing what he does best. Steamboat and Sting are two of the biggest faces ever, and I put a lot of their success on Flair because at the end of the day, a good face needs to have a good bad guy to overcome
The problem they have now is that there is no heat for anyone, mostly because heels arent allowed to be heels. Without heat there is no reason to care about who wins, no psychology in ring and you basically just have a spot fest which leads to no one getting over. We are at the point where win-loss records mean feck all, because the top guys are just who we are told the top guys are, and we are just supposed to go with it.
I could rant for hours about what is wrong with today's product, but at the base level its just the fact that fundamentals (read: storyline and in ring psychology) are missing. Watch any Ric Flair match from the 80's/early 90's and you see the best wrestler of all time doing what he does best. Steamboat and Sting are two of the biggest faces ever, and I put a lot of their success on Flair because at the end of the day, a good face needs to have a good bad guy to overcome
Do you think it will be easy to find rivers?
Absolutely! The Rock and Stone Cold wouldn't have been half the stars they were without HHH and Vinnie Mac, respectively.
A good saying I recall about HHH, I cant remember who from, but it was that he is 'never going to be 'the guy', but he will always be the person who faces 'the guy''. As well as his feuds with Rock/Austin, he really put over Mick Foley and made him a legit contender for the WWE title. He was never a massive draw on the same level as Rock/Austin, but anyone who beat him would always be seen as a much bigger star just from the rub that beating him gave.... even Shelton Benjamin seemed like he was going to be a world champ at one point.
Strange that the two biggest stars who emerged in the last 5-10 years (Punk and Bryan) both still used Vinnie Mac and Hunter as their main foils as well
If anything, it's going to be much harder to replace those two than any "the guy", though I'd presume HHH/Steph are intended to be long term for Vince.
The problem with this is that its 2014's Jim Ross, who only started watching the product late in the summer, and with a huge card he's really going to struggle to remember it all. Striker can help but he is full of Strikerisms that make him REALLY annoying.
HHH was great in this role, but they've already decided who's next in Ambrose. Came straight from Trips right hand mans mouth.
The particular site i pay for has confirmed that they are showing it so i'm sorted, did you say it's a 7am uk time start?
Yeah, 7am UK time. I don't thing GFW have the pre show but that's got a match at 6:40(ish).
His interview on the stone cold podcast this week makes it sound like he has put some serious research into it. Either way it will definitely add to the experience, the man can make a good match seem great.
I've got a site to watch NJPW on, but it's Japanese language commentary. That's fine, but if anyone can direct me to somewhere that's showing the GFW version live, that'd be even better.
I'm sure things will pop up just before the event.
Agreed, heels are really needed. Strong legit heels you want to see lose (not ones that you want of your TV). Every heel in WWE is a weak coward. There are no true villians / bullies who you want to see get taken down from the top.
Wait what? HHH put over Mick Foley? erm....
First time ive ever ever heard that unless ive totally misunderstood what you meant there.
Not strange at all, in fact HHH was the worst thing to happen to Punk. HHH just beat Punk and killed his momentum (after weeks of Nash powerbombing Punk) and then it lead to HHH beating Nash for some reason with Punk looking like an idiot. Punk became a star inspite of HHH but more so because of Cena as Cena was everything Punk wasnt.
HHH being the top heel in WWE in 2015 despite not being a wrestler says more about whats wrong with WWE then how good HHH is tbh.
Wait what? HHH put over Mick Foley? erm....
First time ive ever ever heard that unless ive totally misunderstood what you meant there.
Not strange at all, in fact HHH was the worst thing to happen to Punk. HHH just beat Punk and killed his momentum (after weeks of Nash powerbombing Punk) and then it lead to HHH beating Nash for some reason with Punk looking like an idiot. Punk became a star inspite of HHH but more so because of Cena as Cena was everything Punk wasnt.
HHH being the top heel in WWE in 2015 despite not being a wrestler says more about whats wrong with WWE then how good HHH is tbh.
Well he was talking to someone in Austin who has even less knowledge on the product. "Do they do strong style?" Please Steve, the have the KING OF STRONG STYLE
YeaOH!
I just rewatched the main event from (R)Evolution, it was so good, everything was perfect, the match, the celebration, the timing of kevin steens turn, Regels reaction. Absolute 5 star!
Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't that like his first 5 minutes of WWE television ever?
Yea....i meant the timing on the show.
No he was built up as a face for weeks and then had his first match as a face earlier that night.
Show time!! @phelans shorts you awake mate? Jim Ross sounds like he's calling a wwe event already