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SalfordRed18 said:
Yea, those signs were after the backlash. You've got your timeline all mixed up. The fans were never hyped for Rock/Roman as you put.
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I know they were after the backlash, but my question is why they saw the need to nudge fans toward that angle if there was already a big backlash there like you claimed.

Put it this way, did you really think that the writers having Cody come out and act sad with a concession for Rock would not yield a hugely controversial reaction from the fans? They knew where it was going with that segment. A youtube reaction didn't tell them anything they weren't prepared for.
 
Why come all this way and not give Roman the record?
 
Berbasbullet said:
How would we feel about The Rock becoming the new Vince and dropping The Rock name altogether? Cutting a promo about no longer being The Rock and being Mr Johnson. :lol:

People have been saying he’s not Rock anymore anyway so would be a nod to that.

It feels like they can go so many directions with this, I sense they might actually turn him face by helping Rhodes at WM making Roman v Rock a future match.
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He's just been given the rights to the name The Rock. He's not going away from that.
 
VP89 said:
If they want Philadelphia heat ramped to 1000 they should put the W on The Rock and have him as an ultra-heel for a couple shows beyond Mania :lol:
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And let him just trash the IWC community and all the flip flop wrestling. Man that would be gold.
 
VP89 said:
It's so clearly a work though. The WWE are out there handing Cody signs out and stirring up the narrative that Cody's been hard done by and the fans lapped it up, when mere days before they were hyped about Rock vs Reigns. It's quite easy to nudge fans in a certain direction to be fair.
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I've seen a lot of chatter that it was fans handing out those signs, not the WWE.
 
I honestly think they were sort of playing both sides with this whole thing - putting The Rock out there, putting Cody out there, they probably wanted Rock vs Roman but were obviously aware there might be backlash so were more then ready to pivot.

Either way, they've now made an incredibly hot main even scene... and I'm here for it.
 
There's a segment after where The Rock has a bit of verbal with Triple H. Wonder if it might end up being Cody vs Reigns and Rock vs Triple H.
 
Well as of now it's still Roman v Cody so does The Rock interfere and turn heel in the process?
 
VP89 said:
I know they were after the backlash, but my question is why they saw the need to nudge fans toward that angle if there was already a big backlash there like you claimed.

Put it this way, did you really think that the writers having Cody come out and act sad with a concession for Rock would not yield a hugely controversial reaction from the fans? They knew where it was going with that segment. A youtube reaction didn't tell them anything they weren't prepared for.
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Told you this earlier but here’s a video..

 
VP89 said:
Sorry, what is this in relation to?
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So you said a couple of times that WWE nudging fans towards the angle with signs etc is indication it’s always been a work? Correct me if I’m wrong.
We’ll think we can all agree Daniel Bryan winning the title in 2014 was definitely not in the pipeline. However once wwe read the room they ‘nudged’ fans towards the Bryan hard done by angle by giving a hundred or so random people yes t-shirts and had them stand in the ring with Daniel Bryan.
 
Ludens the Red said:
So you said a couple of times that WWE nudging fans towards the angle with signs etc is indication it’s always been a work? Correct me if I’m wrong.
We’ll think we can all agree Daniel Bryan winning the title in 2014 was definitely not in the pipeline. However once wwe read the room they ‘nudged’ fans towards the Bryan hard done by angle by giving a hundred or so random people yes t-shirts and had them stand in the ring with Daniel Bryan.
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Ah right - I get that but my point is more that the WWE could have feasibly put Cody in a main event title bout to finish his story with Seth too, and fans would have lapped it up. They wanted to create this angle after pivoting from Punks injury in my opinion.
 
VP89 said:
Ah right - I get that but my point is more that the WWE could have feasibly put Cody in a main event title bout to finish his story with Seth too, and fans would have lapped it up. They wanted to create this angle after pivoting from Punks injury in my opinion.
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But Cody's gone on record and said winning that belt does not complete his story, this is a known fact and the fans would not have lapped it up.

I don't want to say your opinion is objectively wrong because we just don't know, but all the evidence suggests they pivoted away from the rock after the backlash.
 
Getting Cody Rhodes from AEW felt significant at the time. And it's really proving to be.

What an addition he has been. And what a loss to AEW too.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
But Cody's gone on record and said winning that belt does not complete his story, this is a known fact and the fans would not have lapped it up.

I don't want to say your opinion is objectively wrong because we just don't know, but all the evidence suggests they pivoted away from the rock after the backlash.
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Agreed. Fairly obvious that it wasn't a work. They received unprecedented backlash and now pivoted it into a work.

I'm actually interested in seeing where they take this as long as Cody gets his Mania/Reigns win.
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
Nah, not feeling the logic. Rock doesn't need a WWE return. In his last match with Cena, he tore his abdomen and supposedly cost lots of movie employees their jobs because he couldn't film for ages. He didn't make Mania last year from Hollywood when it would've been perfect.

This is his last match IMHO and it's the perfect way for him to go out. A Rock/Roman match wouldn't incur much good will in this day and age, especially if it sucks bell to bell. The casuals will lap it up but the live fans will poop all over it.

This also makes Cody huge. Rock's known him since he was a child and they're family friends. Rock doesn't need or want to make Reigns as, let's be honest, Roman is probably going to parlay away from wrestling or go even more part time soon. He'll either go into Hollywood too or look after his family and health. Roman doesn't need to be made. Cody arguably does. This also crushes any 'Cody's been over-pushed, he's a manufactured white meat baby face' blow back that many suspected would soon happen and did happen in AEW.

It will make the WWE lots of money and is much more compelling than Roman/Rhodes 2 or Rock/Roman. Putting Cody in to make it a triple threat makes all the sense in the world to protect Rock from an in ring point of view. It's actually perfect.

For me, this has Paul Heyman's fingerprints all over it. He's apparently been all over the creative concerning the Bloodline. He likes blurring the work/shoot lines and getting people talking.

The only unknown is Seth's role. I assume they had him back up Cody because 1) they might have a four way, 2) due to Seth's injury, they're hedging their bets because a one on one match puts him at more risk and 3) it makes so much sense given his history with Reigns and Cody.

I suspect they'll somehow have McIntyre or Gunther take the belt off Seth before Mania. Maybe even thanks to Rock or Roman in a really quick match, protecting Seth's knee. Then Sami Zayn will face the new champ at Mania with Damian Priest hovering.

In the Reigns/Cody/Rock(/Seth) main event, Solo and Jimmy will likely get involved but Rock will stop them and Cody will win. Mania will end with Rock lifting the new champ Cody's arm.

From there, I guess they might do a Rock/Roman singles match in Saudi (depending on how Rock feels), turn Knight or Orton heel again to feud with Cody, have Seth go for whoever he lost the World Heavyweight belt to and eventually have McIntyre/Punk and later Punk/Reigns (probably at Mania 41 after Reigns has barely been around). They'll super push one of Bron Breakker, Carmelo Hayes or Trick Williams with a view to one of them maybe facing Cody at Mania 41 for the Universal Title. Just my guess.
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If much of this comes remotely accurate, I'll be impressed given how in depth you've gone with it :lol:

People all over claiming this and that, and so and so said that.... when let's be real, no one knows feck all except a handful who aren't talking to Meltzer, Alvarez and SRS. Whether this was intended to go this way is unknown, but the promos and build to LV left it wide open to be a potential regardless. In fact, it can still go any way.... I'd be mightily impressed if they acknowledge the "i want everything, but not at mania" thing Cody said.... because I can't see any way that ties in storyline wise.

I hope it's not just left there as some silly 3 day MacGuffin though given how the rest of that promo was constructed to leave it open.
 
I'd also like to point out that when The Rock initially returned late last year, on the Pat Mcafee show prior, he was very very clear about only coming back to do an angle if it was truly unique and special, I think he said "unprecedented".... and that any wrestlemania angle he does has to be start of something vastly bigger and moving the industry into a fresh era.

I just don't think the "He rocked up on Smackdown, took Cody's place then went on to face Roman in an obvious loss" is that... as that just returns you back to square one waiting on Cody to win 3 Rumbles in a row or something similar.

It also makes sense that Seth feels an odd man out here.... since he was clearly gravitating towards Punk, which would of also been a very personal and unique story.
 
Regardless of all, this is highly entertaining and intriguing. As said WWE is the hottest it's been in decades and it's a lot of fun to watch (well for the most, if you went by this thread, you would think wwe is on the verge of going out of business with no stars...)

Also take a shot every time somebody says pivot (whilst reading it in Ross Gellers voice)
 
Holocene said:
Agreed. Fairly obvious that it wasn't a work. They received unprecedented backlash and now pivoted it into a work.

I'm actually interested in seeing where they take this as long as Cody gets his Mania/Reigns win.
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It also doesn't make sense for it to be a work when it involves their top babyface tying himself in knots to arrive at the conclusion they have. The Rock's involvement has driven more conversation but I don't think the match between Cody and Reigns has any more hype as a result. The appetite was already there.

The WWE also would've dragged it out over a far longer period of time if it was a work. It hasn't even been a week since the promo between Cody and Reigns on Smackdown last week. Wrestlemania is still 2 months away and there's still another PPV in between. They don't reverse everything in the space of 6 days if it was an intentional play in the first place. They could've got way more mileage from an actual work.
 
CM10 said:
It also doesn't make sense for it to be a work when it involves their top babyface tying himself in knots to arrive at the conclusion they have. The Rock's involvement has driven more conversation but I don't think the match between Cody and Reigns has any more hype as a result. The appetite was already there.

The WWE also would've dragged it out over a far longer period of time if it was a work. It hasn't even been a week since the promo between Cody and Reigns on Smackdown last week. Wrestlemania is still 2 months away and there's still another PPV in between. They don't reverse everything in the space of 6 days if it was an intentional play in the first place. They could've got way more mileage from an actual work.
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Exactly. It's painfully obvious that plans changed, multiple times over the past two weeks and they've still managed to make it semi coherent, and very entertaining.
 
That presser was pure class.

What I’m hoping for at Mania:

The Rock helps Cody defeat Roman to win the title at Mania. That sets up the “head of the table” match between The Rock & Roman that WWE are so desperate for.

What I’m expecting at Mania:

Literally a repeat of last year but this time The Rock instead of Solo helps Roman retain the belt when it looked very much on that Cody was going to pull it off only to be thwarted by a Bloodline member.
 
In my head I've either got Rock interfering and stopping Jimmy/Solo interfering (via violence) at Mania leading to a clean Cody win or possibly turning them to his side with 'head of the table' status and them all leaving Roman dumbfounded in the ring before a Cody clean win. The former for me makes sense more than the latter due to the schedules of Roman and Rock. The latter would make sense in terms of feud building but neither of their schedules would allow for it convincingly imo. Roman/Rock has to be a big PLE match if it's gonna happen and I can't see Rock wanting anything less than Mania.
 
The Rock is still the best m
CassiusClaymore said:
I said they'd pivot to this the other day. Was very obvious. And The Rock will turn on Roman in the main event to help Cody win. Also very obvious.

It's not David Lynch here guys.
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What would make more sense is The Rock main eventing next year's mania with Roman. He's already pushed this match Cody vs Roman to a very high level.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
The Rock is still the best m

What would make more sense is The Rock main eventing next year's mania with Roman. He's already pushed this match Cody vs Roman to a very high level.
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Also to add, rock roman does not need a title. Get the title off roman and then move on to rock roman rivalry
 
AshRK said:
Also to add, rock roman does not need a title. Get the title off roman and then move on to rock roman rivalry
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I disagree, the title adds a different dynamic to the match where everyone thinks Roman is going over however The Rock winning will be worth it for the shock value and the headlines alone.
 
VP89 said:
I know they were after the backlash, but my question is why they saw the need to nudge fans toward that angle if there was already a big backlash there like you claimed.

Put it this way, did you really think that the writers having Cody come out and act sad with a concession for Rock would not yield a hugely controversial reaction from the fans? They knew where it was going with that segment. A youtube reaction didn't tell them anything they weren't prepared for.
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If you watch the video again. The Rock legit acted face and tried to be a kind to Cody. Cody even hyped The Rock before he came out.

It's clear that this wasn't a work but they must have suspected it might happen and had an alternative angle already thought out.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
I disagree, the title adds a different dynamic to the match where everyone thinks Roman is going over however The Rock winning will be worth it for the shock value and the headlines alone.
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The fact that wwe have booked cody the way they have done,I think not having him win the title will make him look like an idiot. Rock roman is a money match with or without the title. In fact title will just look an afterthought in their feud, just like it did with rock cena 2.

Yes, rock holding the title sounds fun but not sure it is needed.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
If you watch the video again. The Rock legit acted face and tried to be a kind to Cody. Cody even hyped The Rock before he came out.

It's clear that this wasn't a work but they must have suspected it might happen and had an alternative angle already thought out.
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Honestly I very much doubt they wrote that angle hoping Rock would be seen as a face. They knew what would be cooking among the fan base (pun unintended) when cody gave a sad face looking concession.
 
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