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Shane88 said:
Edge's are crap too. A running hug. WWE should employ Rhyno to teach people how to do them.

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Yeah, that man had a hell of a spear for sure! Edge does deliver some good ones though, and his are definitely better than Reigns effort.

We watched loads of JBL highlights last night too, his clothesline from hell was fecking legendary. I'd forgotten how brutal it was. He regularly folded people in half with them :lol: :lol:
 
Sylar said:
People like it cos of crowd interaction especially with his entrance music. Its the reason hes a 'face'.
Hes lost matches but hes at a point where hes already been champ, been made and the losses dont affect him as long as he gets a win here or there.
In fact, the obvious thing for him would be to say during Romans reign as champ, Roman hasnt beaten him as seth won by DQ (nor has he ever beaten Seth)
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He has beaten Seth, multiple times. The story is he has never beaten Seth in a title match.

But yeah like I said I do think Seth or Jey are the only logical guys to beat Roman at this stage. Unless they can somehow convince Mox to come back which isn't gonna happen.
 
Ekeke said:
The story was that he had to win after Roman and Heyman made out that Roman is the son Dusty wished he had. Cody said now I have to beat him. He didnt. Roman was right, Cody was cooked and now Roman has beat him, like the rest of the field, so its an interest killer. Everyone loses due to interference and because it happens all the time Cody should be expecting it.
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I for one am shocked that you’re criticising WWE
 
I can't believe they didn't go with Cody.

I really thought they should have gone with Sami last month and I turned out to be wrong about that... So will wait and see on this one.

Anyway really great Wrestlemania overall. Night one was better, but that IC match was :drool:
 
Goodness sake so done with Roman, titles are held hostage, at least drop one of them.
 
So basically every world title match for a year we know the result of, cos they ain't dropping the title on anything but WM. Is there any face for Roman left?
 
Berbasbullet said:
So basically every world title match for a year we know the result of, cos they ain't dropping the title on anything but WM. Is there any face for Roman left?
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No. But you've got the 3v3 or 4v4 whatever bullshit to go through, in which Cody pins Roman... then somehow breaking up the Bloodline within itself with Roman actually getting some legit wins to solidify his reign a bit... then Cody declaring he's the better man and wants him 1v1 no bullshit. Wins WM40.

I mean does Cody keep his momentum going with the fans through to say Survivor Series to deliver, that's another question, but if he can. Your wait is worth it. If not, then yeah, a moment was wasted, but the decision is vindicated by the fact he couldn't keep that momentum.
 
Zen said:
No. But you've got the 3v3 or 4v4 whatever bullshit to go through, in which Cody pins Roman... then somehow breaking up the Bloodline within itself with Roman actually getting some legit wins to solidify his reign a bit... then Cody declaring he's the better man and wants him 1v1 no bullshit. Wins WM40.

I mean does Cody keep his momentum going with the fans through to say Survivor Series to deliver, that's another question, but if he can. Your wait is worth it. If not, then yeah, a moment was wasted, but the decision is vindicated by the fact he couldn't keep that momentum.
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We will know if this is ultimately the right move for the story in a few months.
 
So if they book a UFC invasion of WWE, where UFC are clearly on top but then Brock Lesnar (on WWEs side) storms in and switches the momentum like the below (swap stunners for Germans), I may have to start watching again.

 
Gavinb33 said:
I mean obviously, but the consensus at the time was he could lose, the Usos weren't gonna be there etc it was debated on Reddit and other places a lot
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The difference is a lot of people expected this to be the time. With Cody's story where he had to win, or he looks like a fool, with it being wrestlemania and with the match with the rock never coming to fruition. And because doing the same thing over and over gets stale. So it was time for a change

Could Drew have won at that event? Yeah but most would be expecting Roman to win with an outside chance of Drew. Similar with Sami. It could happen. But this was the reason it didnt... because there was Cody at Mania. And now he's lost too.

So basically everyone has lost to Roman and nobody seems likely to beat him anytime soon. So same old stuff. And the problem with that is Wrestlemania is done, this is where WWE goes into quiet time and a lot of people lose interest. A change of the power at the top with the titles would have built great interest to see what WWE looks like post Bloodline domination and what they do with Cody. Now thats all gone. We know what we can expect till Summerslam, maybe even next Mania
 
Kazi said:
So if they book a UFC invasion of WWE, where UFC are clearly on top but then Brock Lesnar (on WWEs side) storms in and switches the momentum like the below (swap stunners for Germans), I may have to start watching again.

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Mesmerizing fantasy booking, I'm in too if this happens :lol:
 
Was going to say WM was ok, but having Roman win quite genuinely made the whole thing into an idiotic farce.

Cody now looks like an idiot and I have absolute zero interest in watching another year of WWE where there is no world title for anyone to fight for. I actually think its probably killed what interest I had left in it.
 
Just learnt omos is 28.

I'm 29, I'd put money on him not being 28.
 
Also WM overall. The first night was OK with a few good matches. Wouldn't say amazing but it was a good show. If there's such a thing as greatest dickhead ring entrance of all time Logan Paul now owns it forever.

Second night was already severely pushing its luck. Only the Gunther match that really delivered. Already served up it's fair share of garbage, the thing with Shane was just completely weird, and then the main event just confirmed how out of touch wwe are with reality as well as with their own audience.

It's supposed to be the pinnacle event of wrestling and its main event was just the exact same Roman Reigns match we've already had 50 times over which was never the pinnacle of anything to begin with and gets more rubbish every time they do it.

Apart from anything else what's the point in having a supposed monster champion for 1,000 days if they basically can't beat a single person on the roster without all their lackies interfering.
 
So Cody will beat Brock at Backlash ala Cena beating Brock at Extreme Rules 2012 to regain some credibility.
 
noodlehair said:
Also WM overall. The first night was OK with a few good matches. Wouldn't say amazing but it was a good show. If there's such a thing as greatest dickhead ring entrance of all time Logan Paul now owns it forever.

Second night was already severely pushing its luck. Only the Gunther match that really delivered. Already served up it's fair share of garbage, the thing with Shane was just completely weird, and then the main event just confirmed how out of touch wwe are with reality as well as with their own audience.

It's supposed to be the pinnacle event of wrestling and its main event was just the exact same Roman Reigns match we've already had 50 times over which was never the pinnacle of anything to begin with and gets more rubbish every time they do it.

Apart from anything else what's the point in having a supposed monster champion for 1,000 days if they basically can't beat a single person on the roster without all their lackies interfering.
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And don't forget the ref being knocked out. Again.

Yeah the "but he's got to get to 1000" thing is weird to me. Who cares? It's not an actual sporting achievement. It's like saying I want Daniel Craig to do 3 more Bond films so he can overtake Sean Connery. And?
 
Night 1 was class. Night 2 was not. Night 1 felt like a classic takeover with better production value. Night 2 felt like all the other manias bar one or two matches.

I tapped out half way last night. The entire story was Cody getting the title and at the first hurdle, rather than push for the rematch he settles for a meaningless tag team. It doesn't make sense.

A really sour end to what was a really fun week.
 
That RAW was so disappointing. Brock vs Cody will main event Backlash and Cody will probably win and challenge Roman again at King of the Ring on day 1000…
 
One thing I liked about WM is that they have tried a lot less to shoehorn 'wrestlemania moments'.

Also im thinking Cody v Brock for Summerslam?
 
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SalfordRed18 said:
Night 1 was class. Night 2 was not. Night 1 felt like a classic takeover with better production value. Night 2 felt like all the other manias bar one or two matches.

I tapped out half way last night. The entire story was Cody getting the title and at the first hurdle, rather than push for the rematch he settles for a meaningless tag team. It doesn't make sense.

A really sour end to what was a really fun week.
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You can tell Vince is involved again.
 
Time to de-unify the titles. Seeing the champion barely have any matches is annoying as feck. What’s the point in 2 seperate brands if there is only one champion who barely competes?

also what the feck was that raw? Vince is back in town for sure. Can’t believe i stayed up to watch that.
 
Vince is clearly still an unbelievable businessman. Dare I say age catches up slower in the business sector with billion dollar dealings a domain where 77 year old sociopaths can still thrive. However, he’s long fallen short as a creative force and is way out of sync with the younger generation. Not only that, his management is dreadful and the younger pros are used to higher standards of care when it comes to wellbeing and sensitivity.

Vince vowed over the weekend to stay out of the ‘weeds’ but Raw (and WrestleMania night 2) had his mucky fingers all over it. Incoherence, poor pacing, laziness in storytelling and numerous reports that scripts were torn up, segments were cut late and worker morale crashing.

It’s as if he sees this Endeavor deal as his redemption. He’s free now to dominate and make everyone who can possibly do something better than him kiss his ass, even/especially his family. His ego is still going wild and he feels bullet proof. He isn't a person to own his failings, to reflect and be a better human being. Public disgrace just motivates him to want to stick it to people even more.

I'm not a proponent of the idea of Triple H as a creative genius, either. The last 9 months or so in WWE has followed a similar course to black and gold NXT. Boring but steady TV shows, great PPVs. Sensible, coherent, largely empowering but not especially cutting edge booking. Bloodline/Sami has been great but apparently it's been predominantly a Heyman brain child (and credit to Triple H for letting him shape it).

Despite this, the product has been a lot better and the goodwill towards WWE from the wrestling community and seemingly the talent themselves is so much stronger than it was before Vince stepped down. The marketing and business side of things is a behemoth and Vince has played a huge role in that. But better (although still not exactly sparkling) creative and improved morale has only served to up the numbers, as WrestleMania 39 and TV ratings prove.

Vince McMahon needs to stay out of creative and talent management. Permanently. He's sucking the life out of the product.

I don't know how his ego can actually take this on board. Is there any value in creating a petition or something? I guess it's immaterial unless it affects the shareholders. The last few years (apart from the Triple H era) have shown that WWE can largely put out complete dross and still continue to grow commercially. Unfortunately, I don't have much hope it'll be worth watching on a sustained basis while Vince is there. Pretty much all my hope for the creative future of WWE has been deflated in 2 nights.
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
Vince is clearly still an unbelievable businessman. Dare I say age catches up slower in the business sector with billion dollar dealings a domain where 77 year old sociopaths can still thrive. However, he’s long fallen short as a creative force and is way out of sync with the younger generation. Not only that, his management is dreadful and the younger pros are used to higher standards of care when it comes to wellbeing and sensitivity.

Vince vowed over the weekend to stay out of the ‘weeds’ but Raw (and WrestleMania night 2) had his mucky fingers all over it. Incoherence, poor pacing, laziness in storytelling and numerous reports that scripts were torn up, segments were cut late and worker morale crashing.

It’s as if he sees this Endeavor deal as his redemption. He’s free now to dominate and make everyone who can possibly do something better than him kiss his ass, even/especially his family. His ego is still going wild and he feels bullet proof. He isn't a person to own his failings, to reflect and be a better human being. Public disgrace just motivates him to want to stick it to people even more.

I'm not a proponent of the idea of Triple H as a creative genius, either. The last 9 months or so in WWE has followed a similar course to black and gold NXT. Boring but steady TV shows, great PPVs. Sensible, coherent, largely empowering but not especially cutting edge booking. Bloodline/Sami has been great but apparently it's been predominantly a Heyman brain child (and credit to Triple H for letting him shape it).

Despite this, the product has been a lot better and the goodwill towards WWE from the wrestling community and seemingly the talent themselves is so much stronger than it was before Vince stepped down. The marketing and business side of things is a behemoth and Vince has played a huge role in that. But better (although still not exactly sparkling) creative and improved morale has only served to up the numbers, as WrestleMania 39 and TV ratings prove.

Vince McMahon needs to stay out of creative and talent management. Permanently. He's sucking the life out of the product.

I don't know how his ego can actually take this on board. Is there any value in creating a petition or something? I guess it's immaterial unless it affects the shareholders. The last few years (apart from the Triple H era) have shown that WWE can largely put out complete dross and still continue to grow commercially. Unfortunately, I don't have much hope it'll be worth watching on a sustained basis while Vince is there. Pretty much all my hope for the creative future of WWE has been deflated in 2 nights.
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I pretty much avoided raw / SD until Vince left just because there was no cohesion.

I came back just in time for going to clash at castle and imo it's been following stories long term whether it's good or bad, but more logic.

The Rey/Dom with edge/JD has been good and pretty much kicked off the former story at the clash ppv.

The Becky/damage control stuff has been mixed but it's been logical too week to week.

And the biggest thing is they've advertised matches and shows and have stuck to it, showing they've got an idea.

The numerous changes through a day and canceling of matches reflects in the shows and it would be a shame if that is the case again.
 
Sylar said:
I pretty much avoided raw / SD until Vince left just because there was no cohesion.

I came back just in time for going to clash at castle and imo it's been following stories long term whether it's good or bad, but more logic.

The Rey/Dom with edge/JD has been good and pretty much kicked off the former story at the clash ppv.

The Becky/damage control stuff has been mixed but it's been logical too week to week.

And the biggest thing is they've advertised matches and shows and have stuck to it, showing they've got an idea.

The numerous changes through a day and canceling of matches reflects in the shows and it would be a shame if that is the case again.
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Apparently raw last night had multiple rewrites, even during the show.

Clear as day he's back in creative again. Was genuinely fun whilst it lasted.
 
I still expect Cody to eventually be made champion. This is really quite funny though as he has little room for manoeuvre at this point as a babyface, and we know he basically sees himself as peak beloved Hogan or Cena at this point.

Berbasbullet said:
So basically every world title match for a year we know the result of, cos they ain't dropping the title on anything but WM. Is there any face for Roman left?
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They will just do it at the drop of a hat when nobody cares. Happened in the past with unifying titles or ending other reigns.
 
That Raw was ... Pointless



As a raw after mania, there was no buzz about it. Except the last segment, and the bad bunny segment nothing really happened. Corey called it the new season / opening game etc, but it was a whole bunch of nothingness

Triple h coming out and his promo felt like basically Heymans at December to dismember.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Apparently raw last night had multiple rewrites, even during the show.

Clear as day he's back in creative again. Was genuinely fun whilst it lasted.
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Not surprised tbh. Im gonna give smackdown a chance but if this is the case , I'm gonna go back to just reading and watching segments for certain people.
 
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