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No not the way mental health and CTE is looked at now. Probably try and establish a charity or something looking in to the research of it foundation events and stuff. I don’t think the player would be celebrated as such but they wouldn’t be erased.
Think even the WWE would probably handle that situation completely differently as well now given what they did with Daniel Bryan and quite possibly the reason they are so concerned about concussions and so on now is due in part to Benoit.
Football wouldn't forget such player, but united definitely would try to keep references to said player to a bare absolute minimum.
Imagine if it was Giggs who had done such a thing and the reason being CTE which he got playing for us. Would we erase him or try and remember the person and player he was before a mental disorder caused his change of personality, depression, paranoia, aggression and do something to try and raise awareness and get the message out there or sweep it under the rug. Sweeping it under the rug would be the wrong decision for me.
You can raise awareness of the cause whilst keeping mentions of said player to a bare minimum, the two aren't mutually exclusive at all. If it was simply doing something after just a change of personality and all the other factors you listed, sure, of course united wouldn't try to erase the history of that player. Why would they?
Bit different when that player murdered their wife and 7 year old kid then himself though. You'd want as much distance from that as possible.
Yeah but the reason Benoit supposedly did what he did was down to having CTE before it was a well known and publicised thing. I think at the time the case against the NFL was just building which brough all this to light.
Dave Mira another that suffered from CTE and ended up taking his own life. I just don’t think we would or should distance ourselves from something like that and part of the reason the WWE did it at the time was to stop the amount of law suits it opened them up to which still happened anyway and caused massive reform within the inner workings of WWE and their health policy.
Anyway each to their own, in modern society given what we know now about the Benoit situation no one should be distancing themselves from it.
Doesnt matter why it happened, it happened. Im sorry but theres a big difference between taking your own life and taking the life of your wife and child. Both are very tragic, but every company in the world (atleast the good ones) will do everything they can to distance themselves from a child killer. Had Benoit just taken his own life, he wouldnt be erased from WWE history. Thats not the case though.
Fact of the matter is, if what they did was an overreaction, there'd slowly start integrating the history of Benoit back in. Theyre not. In the modern age of social media, there'd also be campaigns for this to happen. There hasnt.
I’m probably in the minority here but I think Chris Benoit’s brain injuries have been overblown. Listening to stories about Chris from his colleagues, he was a deeply disturbed and odd individual going all the way back to 1994 when Jericho first met him. I think it’s telling that on his memorial show, William Regal refused to comment on anything other than his wrestling because he probably knew what really happened. Jericho admitted the same in his book that before the news came out he knew Chris killed them.
The popular phrase was “the brain of an 80 year old with Alzheimer’s”. It’s a known fact that Chris called his matches in the ring. If you go watch his matches how can somebody with that damaged a brain do a match at the pace cut, while having those matches make total sense from a psychology standpoint? Nevermind the travel that’s required for the job.
Problem with CTE is it’s testing that can only be done on a corpse and the research isn’t conclusive as of yet. Knowing that Chris and Nancy had a fiery relationship I think the most plausible explanation for what he did was that he and Nancy got into it physically and he accidentally killed her. Once that happens he realizes his life is over and his sons life has now changed so he made the next decision.
The popular phrase was “the brain of an 80 year old with Alzheimer’s”. It’s a known fact that Chris called his matches in the ring. If you go watch his matches how can somebody with that damaged a brain do a match at the pace cut, while having those matches make total sense from a psychology standpoint? Nevermind the travel that’s required for the job.
Problem with CTE is it’s testing that can only be done on a corpse and the research isn’t conclusive as of yet. Knowing that Chris and Nancy had a fiery relationship I think the most plausible explanation for what he did was that he and Nancy got into it physically and he accidentally killed her. Once that happens he realizes his life is over and his sons life has now changed so he made the next decision.
It’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it but mines is different and I don’t think we would erase a player like WWE have done with Benoit. We might not celebrate them and have new Giggs top 50 goals and the likes on MUTV all the time but can’t see them systematically removing every bit of proof of him ever playing for us.
Well we dont have a network as such so theres not really much to erase, is there? It more be a case of going forward, hes not mentioned, no specials on him, thats that etc.
If something like that happened in football as a result of repetitive actions of playing the game, it would change the sport forever. More light would be brought on it, rather than sweeping it away and trying to forget like wwe did.
From what I've read Benoits issues were attributed to brain damage resulting from flying headbutts and steroid abuse, something that WWE have addressed. They introduced proper drug testing, something they should have had well before (Probably 90% of wrestler were on some kind of steroid use throughout their career prior). Also they banned fly headbutts and chair shots to the head. These might slightly alter the product a bit but not anything major overall in wrestling
The equivalent over a substained period in football would be through heading the ball were it a attributing fact to some sort of brain damage. If that was the case, and a player suffer personality changes and went on to murder people, the game would probably be completey changed and always referenced as to how, when & why
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Whats the score with this Batista/Triple H thing? Seems to have come out of nowhere.
Was teased at smack down 1000 or whatever that show was with the evolution reunion
It's the random match card of Wrestlemania. Can't do worse than Cena vs Undertaker.
The Rock was busy.
Kurt Angles final match.....against Baron Corbin.
Surely they aren’t serious. I was expecting Cena or even Taker.
Surely they aren’t serious. I was expecting Cena or even Taker.
Benoit was tremendous in the ring though. All those matches between him and Angle...wow.
Wondering if this is meant to be some sorta swerve where Corbin gets taken out by Cena or something. Normally id want Angle to face a youngster to help them, and Gable would have been perfect but since they arent going in that direction, Cena would make sense. Corbin however... Doesnt scream WM at all.
They probably just want to give Angle a bit of a squash match because he can't even straighten his legs
Kofi putting together some Austin or Rock level against all the odds matches wiping out pretty much all the top heals but still can’t get in the main event. I mean look at the people he beat 1 after another. 2x previous world champs, multiple time tag champs, US Champ. If the Rock put a run like that together WWE would be pushing him for god status for a show or something.
Apparently it wasn't supposed to be a swerve, but the reaction has been so bad that WWE are "monitoring" it, whatever that means. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get Angle vs Corbin on the last Raw before 'Mania, with Corbin goading him into it early, Lashley/McIntyre coming to beatdown Angle, and Cena making the save, before challenging him to a 'Mania match.
They'd be mad to keep him out of the main event now, after all this. My guess is that he'll get the match at Mania, with the stipulation being if Kofi loses, all of New Day is fired. Obviously he'll win, but it's just another heel thing for Vince to do.
On Corbin/Angle, usually I'd support the idea of a younger star getting a boost off the back of a legend retiring. But not when it's Corbin.
With Joe vs Cena not happening it seems (although it really should), I could see whats been mentioned with regards to Angle, in that he just squashes Corbin (maybe on the Raw before or something), and then faces Cena. But if that is the case, its an odd way to do it.
WM is going to be nuts. Theres like 16 or something crazy matches. I wouldnt be surprised if the kickoff is extended, and we get 4 matches on it (normally its 3). I can see WM itself being turned into a 2 day event (maybe in two different cities?) Or same city to begin with to see how it works.
WM is going to be nuts. Theres like 16 or something crazy matches. I wouldnt be surprised if the kickoff is extended, and we get 4 matches on it (normally its 3). I can see WM itself being turned into a 2 day event (maybe in two different cities?) Or same city to begin with to see how it works.
What started as a good build up for Kofi is quickly becoming a bore fest. Story line took one too many vince screw overs and the momentum is a bit shit now. They need to wrap up his chance at Mania and give him a few wins over Vince directly ahead of the big match.
They're heading down the racial direction too which takes any unpredictability out of the outcome at Mania. Will still like to see Kofi win but having no doubt that he wins takes some of the magic away from it.
I bet they add a dumb stipulation to it like if Kofi loses at Mania then E and Woods are fired.
I bet they add a dumb stipulation to it like if Kofi loses at Mania then E and Woods are fired.
Tell that to Booker t
Unless its like Booker T / HHH which was shockingly surprising with the result.
If it was then there'd be complaints about putting part timers over and not giving young talent the rub. I'll reserve judgement until this plays out.
That was a different era, HHH was at his cnut-ish politicking peak and Vince could get away with stuff like this without backlash...
If they lean into the racial angle and actually have the black guy lose and that's that then people will flip/tune out.
Cena has already responded to Corbin on Instagram or one of those platforms apparently.
Yeah although I was thinking is Vince actually a mad man and thinking of having say one last match
Vince vs Kofi. But really has to be Kofi for the title shot as do Smackdown even have anyone else free for it bar Owens. Aren’t most of their top guys all occupied for Mania. Can’t see Joe getting a crack and I would have assumed Joe would have faced Cena but with Angle retiring him fighting Cena would make more sense so feck knows what’s happening and I can’t think of any big name they can parachute in.Just saw Fighting with my Family. It's very good, worth a watch
Does anyone follow Braun on Instagram?
Thought on Raw he looked a lot leaner but just scene his recent Instagram post and he is the size of a barn door and shredded.
Must be trying to get that WrestleMania shred.
Thought on Raw he looked a lot leaner but just scene his recent Instagram post and he is the size of a barn door and shredded.
Must be trying to get that WrestleMania shred.
It's no secret that Vince loves a huge, shredded guy, so it seems the obvious way to get back in his good books.
Didn’t know he was in the bad books.
I would believe that Kofi beats Bryan at Mania if it wasn’t for that wooden belt. I just can’t see Kofi career defining moment be him holding that belt. I reckon Miz takes it off Bryan at summerslam.
I don't necessarily think he's in the bad books, just no longer one of the favourites.
Just have Woods and E hand him the leather one.
I did read or hear a while back the reason they haven’t had him beat Brock is because they don’t know what to do with him as a face champ and they don’t think he is quite ready to be a champ.