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When something is done with some kind of logic into it then it's OK. It was good match and the finish made sense. Now there will be a huge personal build up for their HIAC match which is supposed be like that. HIAC matches should be used for matches that have huge huge intense build up. Having a PPV for that match has made it less special and this is going to be special as it should be. The DQ finish for this match was OK unlike the DQ to the tag team match.

I think watching it live it was overall a good show, obviously not as good as TakeOver but still good and people here were enjoying it.
 
R.E.D. said:
When something is done with some kind of logic into it then it's OK. It was good match and the finish made sense. Now there will be a huge personal build up for their HIAC match which is supposed be like that. HIAC matches should be used for matches that have huge huge intense build up. Having a PPV for that match has made it less special and this is going to be special as it should be. The DQ finish for this match was OK unlike the DQ to the tag team match.

I think watching it live it was overall a good show, obviously not as good as TakeOver but still good and people here were enjoying it.
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But how many fecking times do they want to do it?

They basically got fans paying top dollar for a top 4 show only for it to be a buildup for HIAC.

Tag Match - used a hammer
DB vs Miz - used a foreign weapon
Reigns V Brock - Distracted partly by Brawn
Styles - DQ from chair

The whole show was basically setting itself up for everyone with promos for a month going "Blargh rematch all legal in a cell nowhere to hide" And all this bullshit.

It was a rinse and repeat of the same level dross we see at other smaller events, except Summerslam is meant to be beyond that.

The match itself between Styles and Joe may well have been good because they will take a shit booking and make it entertaining for the fans. But it could have been so much more and so much better.

Basically the whole concept is a bit shit, but WWE won't care as long as they make top dollar, which they seem to be doing more on from all their foreign revenues.
 
VP89 said:
If memory serves the main title has never been abandoned from a DQ on the big 4. Title changes and dirty finishes are another matter because the matches were never technically abandoned.

Summerslam is not a springboard to build rivalries to other events. Royal Rumble, Survivor Series Summerslam, Wrestlemania. That's always known to be "The big 4", where story's broadly come to an end or great matches get concluded one way or another.

They could have made one win dirty and kept face on the title itself. But the DQ finish on the most prestigious title of them all is an absolute piss take.
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I think angle Austin at summerslam 2001 ended in a dq. I dont mind dq finishes but it has been done many times now. I also think joe needs to win the title soon or he will lose all the credibility.
 
I didnt see it but read some results. WWE bringing in Strowman to keep fans there then fading to black ASAP to hide the anger of fans was a thing of pure evil genius that only someone like Vince can conjure up :lol:
 
AshRK said:
I think angle Austin at summerslam 2001 ended in a dq. I dont mind dq finishes but it has been done many times now. I also think joe needs to win the title soon or he will lose all the credibility.
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Exactly. Once at Summerslam in the last 17 years shows its a no go at that PPV. Would have been pretty pissed if I saw that live myself.
 
Not a roman hater or even his biggest fan but am glad the title is back on raw. For christ sake please never and I mean NEVER put them on part timers. Now we can have the title defended each month and maybe have an end to this roman conquering. He has got his shine ATLAST, now he needs to carry the strap and maybe lose it to lashley or braun.

Also, I am glad braun did not do a chicken shit cash in. He is a monster and he should do it cena style.
 
VP89 said:
But how many fecking times do they want to do it?

They basically got fans paying top dollar for a top 4 show only for it to be a buildup for HIAC.

Tag Match - used a hammer
DB vs Miz - used a foreign weapon
Reigns V Brock - Distracted partly by Brawn
Styles - DQ from chair

The whole show was basically setting itself up for everyone with promos for a month going "Blargh rematch all legal in a cell nowhere to hide" And all this bullshit.

It was a rinse and repeat of the same level dross we see at other smaller events, except Summerslam is meant to be beyond that.

The match itself between Styles and Joe may well have been good because they will take a shit booking and make it entertaining for the fans. But it could have been so much more and so much better.

Basically the whole concept is a bit shit, but WWE won't care as long as they make top dollar, which they seem to be doing more on from all their foreign revenues.
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Well first of all I hope you are wrong and the rematch between Miz and Bryan won't happen so soon. By the way you can't count that as a DQ. The reason why Miz Vs Bryan is a fantastic feud is because Miz made it a fantastic feud. Now he obviously won't win the feud against Daniel Bryan but he deserves a win in this and being the heel he is he cannot win clean so he has to win dirty and that was it. No complain about that, it all happened that way it should have happened.

Secondly, I'm defending them. They have messed up everything so bad I gave up on the main roster after Wrestlemania. The finish to that tag team match was bad and it shouldn't have happened. The Braun situation at the end it was genius from Vince. I hate the whole Roman chasing the belt for the last year and a half but that was genius from Vince. I'm just glad it's over and Brock is gone.

Back to Aj Vs Joe, this always has been dream match for me. When I heard this is happening I told myself that now I can go back and watch main roster. I hoped they do it in a style like Cena Vs Styles or basically everything from NXT, two great wrestlers going for a match. They made it about AJ being a bad parent and I hated it. I told myself once again they managed to ruin something great. I gave up on the build up and I just wanted the match to be GREAT. Now after all that happened on the show and the way they handled it I am suddenly very very interested in the build up now. I think they did it perfectly and I read a lot of comments and a lot of people like it too. I mean I get your point of view and while I agree with what you're saying in general, all I'm saying is that in this particular match and feud they did a good job and for now I have no complains.
 
The show wasnt turd. It was fun to watch live and im glad I did instead of on delay or anything else where i can get distracted by something else or forward through it, etc.

The DQ finish for AJ/Joe made absolute sense and the fans werent chanting BS or anything cos it was done in such a good way.
The DQ finish for the tag titles was terrible though and not needed. Could have had New Day lose and still had them come out strong (see Takeover for that)
The finish for Bryan/Miz made sense as it plays into Miz character and works for Bryan about his comeback.
The main event was very cleverly done. IM just glad that the main title is on Raw again. As for the match it was exactly what it needed to be - hard hitting like Goldberg vs Brock from WM.
KO vs Braun was a nothing match that wasnt needed. Would have liked this to be more than it was.
Corbin vs Finn has been a boring feud, but Finn coming out as Demon and destroying Corbin was absolutely needed for him and the Demon character.
Ronda not destroying Bliss after the way its been built would have made no sense for her character and doesnt hurt Bliss one bit as it is. IM wondering if they are thinking of doing Nikki vs Ronda at Evolution. ugh.
The womens triple threat, wanted Becky to win, but if they are going for Becky vs Charlotte, I see what they are doing. The pop Becky got was huge. Charlotte is the heel in this lol.

Given how long the show was and the number of matches, this was one of the best paced PPVs theyve put on in ages.
I agree with @R.E.D. and his comments above.

edit: Also things have changed for WWE. With the network, the big 4 are still big 4, but they still need to make all other PPVs attractive. So this being a fun show but allowing feuds to continue makes sense. I think having 2 DQs should have been avoided though.
 
So many little things and few big ones turned it into a shit show. Thought it at least would go out on a high with Braun winning the title but we didn't even get that. Still at least Brock is no longer champ and the whole thing with Roman is over now. Please god let it be over. And yeah it was good that Demon Balor squashed Corbin but he shouldn't have even been out for a match that didn't even need to happen. Throw in one too many DQ finishes, turning one of the few viable babyfaces you have heel, completely squashing one of your top midcard heels, and having only two real decent matches that both took a while to get going and it's no wonder why Takeovers constantly shit all over main roster PPVs. Oh and thank feck Carmella is no longer champion, let's never do that again.
 
Although yesterday was carmellas best match and showing
Helped who she was in the ring with but still she did good
 
Seeing how Raw plays out tonight and if it’s rubbish it may be time to end the WWE Network, I just can’t get over how poor Summerslam was, just awful. Although Becky going heal, yet getting a massive pop was a highlight.
 
Mystry said:
So many little things and few big ones turned it into a shit show. Thought it at least would go out on a high with Braun winning the title but we didn't even get that. Still at least Brock is no longer champ and the whole thing with Roman is over now. Please god let it be over. And yeah it was good that Demon Balor squashed Corbin but he shouldn't have even been out for a match that didn't even need to happen. Throw in one too many DQ finishes, turning one of the few viable babyfaces you have heel, completely squashing one of your top midcard heels, and having only two real decent matches that both took a while to get going and it's no wonder why Takeovers constantly shit all over main roster PPVs. Oh and thank feck Carmella is no longer champion, let's never do that again.
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Well, I know the only enforce the rule when they feel like but isn’t Brock entitled to a rematch?
 
MJJ said:
Only problem is spots like this and the reverse falcon arrow should end matches.
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To be fair, I don't think they would plan this spot to end the match, as it could easily have been mistimed or not look as clean as it did... So it could have been an underwhelming ending, but I get what you are saying.
 
Woodzy said:
Well, I know the only enforce the rule when they feel like but isn’t Brock entitled to a rematch?
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I don't think anyone's had a rematch for the Universal Title. Balor never got one after having to vacate it, KO never got one after losing it to Goldberg, and Goldberg never got one after dropping it to Lesnar.
 
Impact is my favourite promotion at the moment as there's a good blend of wrestling, storytelling and character development in this Don Callis/Scott D'Amore era.

I like NXT too but find the weekly shows a bit insignificant. While WWE is overexposed with way too much content and repetition, NXT is the opposite as we can go weeks without seeing key characters on TV. I'd also say that the wrestling is generally superb but the ratio of wrestling to storylines is a bit too high for my tastes. However, unlike the main roster, at least the booking makes sense and characters are developed. The presentation makes sense; albeit not necessarily revolutionary from a creative standpoint (though music, entrances, mannerisms etc. are top class).

I've found WWE hard to watch for years now. However, I did quite enjoy SummerSlam and feel fairly interested in things going forward. The only big problem is that not many stars are emerging and there's way too much of a gulf between the top stars and their potential challenges (Rousey, Reigns and Strowman in particular). Just look at Baron Corbin and Kevin Owens being squashed last night. I'd say the only protected heel on the Raw roster now is Drew McIntyre and expect to see him challenge for the Universal Title later in the year. Perhaps Lashley will turn soon as he is a threat. I have high hopes for Elias and Jason Jordan (though the rumour is his career is in doubt). Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose interest me a lot and I expect Ambrose to turn after Hell In A Cell.

Speaking of which, how do we see the Hell In A Cell card developing?

I'll go -

Universal: Reigns (c) vs. Balor
WWE: Styles (c) vs. Samoa Joe
US: Nakamura (c) vs. Sheamus vs. Cesaro vs. Almas vs. Rusev
Raw Tag: B Team (c) vs. Mahal and Owens
SD Tag: Bludgeon Bros (c) vs. New Day
SD Womens: Charlotte (c) vs. Becky
Ambrose and Rollins vs. McIntyre and Ziggler
Strowman vs. Lashley
Miz vs. Daniel Bryan
Jeff Hardy vs. Randy Orton
Rousey, Bayley, Sasha, Natalya and Ember vs. Alexa Bliss, Riott Squad and mystery partner (Shayna Baszler)
 
Id be happy with Roman defending the title nearly every week on Raw.
 
Sylar said:
Id be happy with Roman defending the title nearly every week on Raw.
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Be nice to borrow from Russo's booking but only the good bits and make this happen for sure. Makes RAW watchable when there are titles up for grabs.
 
Looks like they're building to a Roman/Braun HIAC match, with the "keep the rest of the Shield out of it" logic in play.

Braun still looked like a monster - they needed the full Shield there to take him out.
 
Was a pretty poor Raw till the final match, the crowd are so over with Balor, everytime he put something on Roman they were going crazy, it was awesome, love when the crowds are fully in to it. I started to get swept away in it and thought he was actually going to do it for a second. Question tho, did Rollins, Henchbrose and Roman all just turn heal at exactly the same time or will WWE just brush this heal act under the carpet and pretend like it never happened.
I mean i’d Love if they did all just become heal but I don’t see how that would work with McIntyre, Ziggler vs Henchbrose and Rollins as I imagine that still has legs in it.

Not sure Braun got the cash in either and hopefully this doesn’t shoot Balor back to mid card although with Corbin now GM feck knows what happens. Lashley surely to add in to this as well.
 
Don't get how it would be a heel turn for The Shield after they attacked Strowman to stop him cashing in when Strowman has spent literal weeks actually terrorising Kevin Owens for no real reason. Strowman's been playing heel for a while now, surely?
 
They’re using everything at their power to try and stop the Roman booing, from bringing Braun out to shift focus and now the Shield....the desperation is at an all time high.

‘How can we stop people booing and leaving during RR matches?’

Its crap.

Rollins had an amazing year, he’s put on some great matches and won 2 ic titles(only belt available given Broc’s run) . He’s gonna be used like shit again now they won’t let him outshine ‘the big dog’
 
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Not a heel turn, they were preventing their friend from having his title stolen after he had just successfully defended it. It would be a different case if Strowman cashed in his contract on a fresh Roman.
 
I don't think Braun is meant to be face or heel. He just does what he wants, regardless of who that means he has to fight.

So because he isn't a pure face, that means that Shield aren't necessarily turning heel when they attack him.
 
Alex99 said:
Don't get how it would be a heel turn for The Shield after they attacked Strowman to stop him cashing in when Strowman has spent literal weeks actually terrorising Kevin Owens for no real reason. Strowman's been playing heel for a while now, surely?
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3 on 1 mugging is surely the act of a heel faction and like Minkaro said Braun isn’t really either, he just does what he wants which I suppose is basically what the Shield are now, they do as they please. Neither are face or heel.

I think it becomes a more intresting story going forward if The Shield becomes heel and they do a lot of protecting of Roman whilst guys like Braun, Finn and Lashley try to get it done. If Braun wins against all odds then he is rocketed to top face. Lashley would become a big name in WWE and with Finn there are so many ways they could use his history to make that intresting.

Will see what happens but looks like it could be intresting but I suspect the Shield will disappear again.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
3 on 1 mugging is surely the act of a heel faction and like Minkaro said Braun isn’t really either, he just does what he wants which I suppose is basically what the Shield are now, they do as they please. Neither are face or heel.

I think it becomes a more intresting story going forward if The Shield becomes heel and they do a lot of protecting of Roman whilst guys like Braun, Finn and Lashley try to get it done. If Braun wins against all odds then he is rocketed to top face. Lashley would become a big name in WWE and with Finn there are so many ways they could use his history to make that intresting.

Will see what happens but looks like it could be intresting but I suspect the Shield will disappear again.
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They've had plenty of opportunities to have Roman work as a heel, can't see it happening any time soon. If anything we're going to get a six man tag between Braun, Dolph and Drew vs The Shield, with The Shield obviously working as the faces.
 
Does anyone watch to enjoy anything anymore? Title defended in a good match. Huge pop for Strowman, huge pop for SHIELD. Bell never went so I assume that MITB is still available.

Some people just love to constantly moan.
 
Shield aren't faces or heels - they just serving justice for each other (well right now just Roman lol)
Neither is Braun a heel or face. He's been the same for ages just his attentions changed and is getting cheered

Corbin as gm boring - just what we need ugh
Stephanie coming out to be there for Rondas crowing - obviously wants to be on espn of some shit - boring

Agreed - hope finn is used at top of card and given a top feud now

I swear they have the same 3 on 3 women's match every week and Titus worldwide stuff - same every week
 
Bubz27 said:
Does anyone watch to enjoy anything anymore? Title defended in a good match. Huge pop for Strowman, huge pop for SHIELD. Bell never went so I assume that MITB is still available.

Some people just love to constantly moan.
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It's still available - Cole made sure to point it out as the bell didn't ring and match didn't start
 
Alex99 said:
They've had plenty of opportunities to have Roman work as a heel, can't see it happening any time soon. If anything we're going to get a six man tag between Braun, Dolph and Drew vs The Shield, with The Shield obviously working as the faces.
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Very true and with WWE logic the scenario you’ve just mentioned is what we’ll probably get. Secretly hoping for OGBC vs The Shield but they are on Smackdown right and I haven’t seen them in a while.

Have to say Rondas promo skills look a million times better than when she first arrived even tho that was the cringiest section I’ve seen in a while and where the hell is Nia?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Very true and with WWE logic the scenario you’ve just mentioned is what we’ll probably get. Secretly hoping for OGBC vs The Shield but they are on Smackdown right and I haven’t seen them in a while.

Have to say Rondas promo skills look a million times better than when she first arrived even tho that was the cringiest section I’ve seen in a while and where the hell is Nia?
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Getting filled in by Luke Gallows.
 
It was kinda a heel thing to do by Shield, especially to someone who people really like, but I wouldn't call it a turn at all. And as good as that main event was the commentary made it almost unbearable to watch with their near constant fellatio of Reigns. Give it a fecking rest.

Bubz27 said:
Getting filled in by Luke Gallows.
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They've broken up now. Whole thing was Gallows probably bored sat in catering.
 
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