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TBF, Heyman worked really well with Punk despite Punk being really good at the time on the mic.

Heyman with Lashley would be great though. Always thought Heyman with a changed Roman Reigns as well.
 
Heyman is hit and miss. He's been paired with Cesaro and Curtis Axel and did nothing for them. Owens doesn't need a mouthpiece anyway.

Still don't know why they're trying to make Becky a heel.
 
Shane88 said:
Heyman is hit and miss. He's been paired with Cesaro and Curtis Axel and did nothing for them. Owens doesn't need a mouthpiece anyway.

Still don't know why they're trying to make Becky a heel.
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A big part of that failure is because WWE didn't carry the story through. It was a half arsed attempt that they decided to make a U Turn in.

Paul Heyman can sell shit on a stick if he's given a good run at it. He's one of the only ones who can.
 
Shane88 said:
Heyman is hit and miss. He's been paired with Cesaro and Curtis Axel and did nothing for them. Owens doesn't need a mouthpiece anyway.

Still don't know why they're trying to make Becky a heel.
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The Cesaro pairing had Heyman come out and talk about Brock defeating Taker. It was silly.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Weird combo that as if anything KO is one of the best on the Mics and I can’t see how their dynamic would work unless Heyman gets a stable of clients and KO is just part of it. Do think it’s just to take him out of the public eye for a bit as there aren’t that many stories for him at the moment, everyone seems occupied and there is no point having him wrestling the likes of Curt Hawkins, Elias and the likes. Maybe Lashley but what would really the point.
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I wasn't watching at the time but didn't Heyman and Punk work great together? I came back after a 5 year break (which I temporarily broke in 2011 with the Punk pipebomb, though I only lasted around a month before I'd had enough again) when I heard Daniel Bryan was getting a title shot which was also the same time as Punk vs Brock so I missed all their stuff.

If they can work, maybe KO and Heyman can, too.
 
Impulse said:
No she isn't, Becky attacked her best friend in a jealous rage after losing fairly to Charlotte. Just because a lot of fans prefer Becky, it doesn't make her face and Charlotte heel.
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She is really. They are trying to force her as the heel but she is still getting cheered. Charlotte is always a heel despite being presented as a face. She is unlikeable really and has no personality although she is amazing in the ring. Becky will continue to get cheered especially as she was screwed out of the title.

WWE need to listen to the fans to decide who they should be pushing as the faces and heels. They could of made Reigns one of the biggest heels they have ever had but they continue to try and push him down our throats as a face and it won't work, even by putting him with the Shield. Plus it ma8kes Anbrose and Rollins look weak just being there to try and make us like Reigns. Ambrose and Rollins in particular are far superior to Reigns in every aspect of the game .
 
Name Changed said:
She is really. They are trying to force her as the heel but she is still getting cheered. Charlotte is always a heel despite being presented as a face. She is unlikeable really and has no personality although she is amazing in the ring. Becky will continue to get cheered especially as she was screwed out of the title.

WWE need to listen to the fans to decide who they should be pushing as the faces and heels. They could of made Reigns one of the biggest heels they have ever had but they continue to try and push him down our throats as a face and it won't work, even by putting him with the Shield. Plus it ma8kes Anbrose and Rollins look weak just being there to try and make us like Reigns. Ambrose and Rollins in particular are far superior to Reigns in every aspect of the game .
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Vince only listens to his dick and his dick wants Roman.
 
Name Changed said:
She is really. They are trying to force her as the heel but she is still getting cheered. Charlotte is always a heel despite being presented as a face. She is unlikeable really and has no personality although she is amazing in the ring. Becky will continue to get cheered especially as she was screwed out of the title.

WWE need to listen to the fans to decide who they should be pushing as the faces and heels. They could of made Reigns one of the biggest heels they have ever had but they continue to try and push him down our throats as a face and it won't work, even by putting him with the Shield. Plus it ma8kes Anbrose and Rollins look weak just being there to try and make us like Reigns. Ambrose and Rollins in particular are far superior to Reigns in every aspect of the game .
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Giving wwe fans too much credit. All that happened here was that the Brooklyn crowd decided to be smarky after Becky’s turn and now everyone else is latching onto it.
But if you look back, nobody gave a shit about Becky as a face. When she had her face run against Charlotte as a heel in their Raw days nobody cared until Sasha Banks was inserted and made it a three way. Nobody cares and nobody cheered when Becky first appeared to be taking on Carmella, the whole reason Charlotte was put into that match was to try and get people to care.
 
Was just watching a video and aparantly the latest on Becky is they’ve decided to move away from making her a heal after seeing the reaction she got on Smackdown. Got the biggest pop of the night for saying “bitch” so they plan to try and have neither as a heal now and just have them as two people with valid points.
I quite like the bad ass version of Becky, Stonecold Becky with the good hair.

Is weird in that everytime she has come out for months she’s had huge face reactions and then they have her cut that promo to get the fans to turn on her which failed massively.
 
Name Changed said:
She is really. They are trying to force her as the heel but she is still getting cheered. Charlotte is always a heel despite being presented as a face. She is unlikeable really and has no personality although she is amazing in the ring. Becky will continue to get cheered especially as she was screwed out of the title.
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Charlotte has done nothing heelish during this story so far. Becky has, which makes her the heel regardless of how the fans react to them.
 
Impulse said:
Charlotte has done nothing heelish during this story so far. Becky has, which makes her the heel regardless of how the fans react to them.
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But the story they told before the turn, with promos and everything, was about Becky beating everyone in the division to get the title shot and Charlotte getting one for beating Carmella once, after losing to her twice. Officially being a heel doesn't mean much if the fans think it's nonsense reasoning.
 
Shane88 said:
But the story they told before the turn, with promos and everything, was about Becky beating everyone in the division to get the title shot and Charlotte getting one for beating Carmella once, after losing to her twice. Officially being a heel doesn't mean much if the fans think it's nonsense reasoning.
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The story that they have told is that Becky snapped because she thought she deserved the title more than Charlotte, but whether or not that is true(it is) she has still turned on her friend and that is the part which makes her heel. Now if you want to argue that it's a poor decision to try and turn the more popular wrestler heel for whatever reason then so be it, but that has never been my point of contention. I'm merely stating that if you ignore all the backstage politics, the booking, etc. that the story presented to us on screen has a clear babyface in Charlotte and a clear heel in Becky. I just find it rather amusing how people are trying to twist the narrative to fit the idea that their favourite is the good guy despite it being in direct contradiction to everything that is happening on-screen.
 
Impulse said:
The story that they have told is that Becky snapped because she thought she deserved the title more than Charlotte, but whether or not that is true(it is) she has still turned on her friend and that is the part which makes her heel. Now if you want to argue that it's a poor decision to try and turn the more popular wrestler heel for whatever reason then so be it, but that has never been my point of contention. I'm merely stating that if you ignore all the backstage politics, the booking, etc. that the story presented to us on screen has a clear babyface in Charlotte and a clear heel in Becky. I just find it rather amusing how people are trying to twist the narrative to fit the idea that their favourite is the good guy despite it being in direct contradiction to everything that is happening on-screen.
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Charlotte got handed the title whereas becky had to fight through the whole division to earn her shot. The 'story' is of somebody finally getting tired of everything behind handed to their friend due to their famous father.
 
Forget the story that they are trying to tell, (cos if its not seen like that, the story is not being told well), people see it as Becky having a one on one title shot (at long last after being the first champ and hardly having any shots) but then Charlotte sneaking her way into it near the end (with one win)

Then in the match, Becky having the title won but Charlotte pretty much winning it by attacking Becky from behind. Becky taking out her frustration on her friend.

Its sorta like Braun. Braun was the first one attacked when he tried to cash in - 3 on 1 situation.
Braun then retaliates this week by evening the odds. In fact him giving his briefcase away (despite having this plan) makes him a stupid heel or a face getting revenge but still not wanting the cheap way to win the title.
 
Impulse said:
The story that they have told is that Becky snapped because she thought she deserved the title more than Charlotte, but whether or not that is true(it is) she has still turned on her friend and that is the part which makes her heel. Now if you want to argue that it's a poor decision to try and turn the more popular wrestler heel for whatever reason then so be it, but that has never been my point of contention. I'm merely stating that if you ignore all the backstage politics, the booking, etc. that the story presented to us on screen has a clear babyface in Charlotte and a clear heel in Becky. I just find it rather amusing how people are trying to twist the narrative to fit the idea that their favourite is the good guy despite it being in direct contradiction to everything that is happening on-screen.
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I think you’ve put to much stock on what Sylar said, it to me seemed like just a throw away comment that Charlotte will always be a heel. He wasn’t saying that they are now playing her as the heel. I’m reminded of that moment from Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I think you’ve put to much stock on what Sylar said, it to me seemed like just a throw away comment that Charlotte will always be a heel. He wasn’t saying that they are now playing her as the heel. I’m reminded of that moment from Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Ill do you one better
WHY IS CHARLOTTE?
 
MJJ said:
Charlotte got handed the title whereas becky had to fight through the whole division to earn her shot. The 'story' is of somebody finally getting tired of everything behind handed to their friend due to their famous father.
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Charlotte wasn't handed the title though, she won it. You're adding subtext where there isn't any to suit your position.

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Forget the story that they are trying to tell, (cos if its not seen like that, the story is not being told well), people see it as Becky having a one on one title shot (at long last after being the first champ and hardly having any shots) but then Charlotte sneaking her way into it near the end (with one win)

Then in the match, Becky having the title won but Charlotte pretty much winning it by attacking Becky from behind. Becky taking out her frustration on her friend.

Its sorta like Braun. Braun was the first one attacked when he tried to cash in - 3 on 1 situation.
Braun then retaliates this week by evening the odds. In fact him giving his briefcase away (despite having this plan) makes him a stupid heel or a face getting revenge but still not wanting the cheap way to win the title.
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That's kind of my point though, people are seeing what they want to see simply because they would rather cheer for Becky than Charlotte. The story being told(whether people like it or not) has not given anybody cause to hate Charlotte because she has simply not done anything wrong.
It's also amusing to bring up the Strowman situation as well because he's absolutely blatantly been heel for months.

Andersons Dietician said:
I think you’ve put to much stock on what Sylar said, it to me seemed like just a throw away comment that Charlotte will always be a heel. He wasn’t saying that they are now playing her as the heel. I’m reminded of that moment from Guardians of the Galaxy.
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I wasn't speaking specifically about Sylar's comment but rather the general reacion of internet fans towards this situation and others in the past(notably with Roman). I think everybody is entitled boo and cheer whoever they like I just don't think they need to twist logic to justify their fandom. I realise that morality within the 'WWE Universe' is often hard to gauge since they do twist it to justify the questionable actions of their top faces(Hogan and Cena in particular have often behaved like utter weapons), but this case is incredibly straightforward. Becky's frustration is entirely justifiable, her actions however from a moral standpoint simpy are not.
 
Impulse said:
Becky's frustration is entirely justifiable, her actions however from a moral standpoint simpy are not.
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I don't understand why she's frustrated with Charlotte to begin with. Charlotte didn't put herself in the title match like how John Cena is want to do. What was she supposed to do during the match? Let Becky pin her and win the title like Nash did for Hogan?

I wonder if WWE will bring this up, well have Charlotte bring it up. How Becky and the fans are angry at her for being handed the title when in kayfabe, she won it fair and square and Becky is just being a sore loser. It isn't even like Charlotte cheated to win the belt. I would have her cut a promo saying that the only reason Becky isn't champ is because she wasn't good enough to get the job done at Summerslam and now she's taking out her frustration on me.
 
JSArsenal said:
I don't understand why she's frustrated with Charlotte to begin with. Charlotte didn't put herself in the title match like how John Cena is want to do. What was she supposed to do during the match? Let Becky pin her and win the title like Nash did for Hogan?
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Becky beat every woman(except Asuka) on Smackdown to earn herself a title match against Carmella, it would obviously be very frustrating when somebody wins just a single match to earn the same opportunity.
 
Impulse said:
Becky beat every woman(except Asuka) on Smackdown to earn herself a title match against Carmella, it would obviously be very frustrating when somebody wins just a single match to earn the same opportunity.
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I know why she's frustrated. I don't understand why she's frustrated with Charlotte.

Blame Paige for adding Charlotte to the match. Charlotte doesn't make the matches. Its like if you're working with your mate and you're angry with him when he gets promoted and you don't, when he didn't promote himself.
 
I watched a fair bit of Smackdown this morning for the first time in ages and it wasn't entirely terrible. The Bryan - Miz, Charlotte - Becky/Carmella and AJ - Joe segments were all very good. It's good to see Booker T, he's great when he's not trying to commentate.

The Raw segment with Trish was decent, I've not really seen Bliss wrestle much but she is great on the mic. There's something different about Paige's face.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Anyone know where you can watch All In in the uk and do we expect CM Punk and AJ Lee to feature?
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Watchwrestling is usually the best bet, or have a look on squaredcircle on reddit.

And as for Punk, maybe? It all makes sense, indy wrestling, huge event to capitalise on and in Chicago but then I still see no change in Punk's attitude towards wrestling as a whole.

Would be nice though, especially with AJ :drool::drool:
 
JSArsenal said:
I know why she's frustrated. I don't understand why she's frustrated with Charlotte.

Blame Paige for adding Charlotte to the match. Charlotte doesn't make the matches. Its like if you're working with your mate and you're angry with him when he gets promoted and you don't, when he didn't promote himself.
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Politicking surely?

Charlotte weaseling her way into every title shot as the angle? Using Becky whilst always getting the advantage over her, thinking she's much better?
 
matherto said:
Watchwrestling is usually the best bet, or have a look on squaredcircle on reddit.

And as for Punk, maybe? It all makes sense, indy wrestling, huge event to capitalise on and in Chicago but then I still see no change in Punk's attitude towards wrestling as a whole.

Would be nice though, especially with AJ :drool::drool:
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Supposedly he is going to some wrestling themed shirt shop in Chicago that is linked with the show and bullet club for a signing or something so you would think he’d be there.

I’ll have a look for it on those suggestions, thanks.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Supposedly he is going to some wrestling themed shirt shop in Chicago that is linked with the show and bullet club for a signing or something so you would think he’d be there.

I’ll have a look for it on those suggestions, thanks.
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Yeah ProWrestlingTees I think? That's what kicked the rumours up a notch after they started because it was Chicago.
 
I've just had a look myself on WatchWrestling and on SquaredCircle and I can't find a hint of a stream, hopefully they go up closer to midnight but I dunno.
 
matherto said:
Politicking surely?

Charlotte weaseling her way into every title shot as the angle? Using Becky whilst always getting the advantage over her, thinking she's much better?
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That is a road they could go down but WWE hasn't been showing anything close to that. Someone in WWE a year or two back said people dont like hero vs villain anymore, they like shades of grey etc etc. Yet with this story, Charlotte has so far, done absolutely nothing wrong and is just getting beat downs from a sore loser.

Now, if they show Paige backstage getting phone calls from Triple H demanding that Charlotte be in the title picture. Or texts from Charlotte/Ric saying that she won't come back in time for Summerslam unless Paige adds her to the title match. Something as simple as that would give Becky all the justification in the world

I feel its getting harder to follow around WWE's storylines and have them come off logically unless you follow backstage stuff. A hardcore fan might know Charlotte gets special treatment because of her name and look but they have yet to make that an actual part of the storyline, except for hearsay and jealousy. Show an example of Charlotte using her last name to get special treatment all the while pretending she is just like all the other girls.
 
The Braun stuff is even more screwy to follow on Raw.

Becky being chanted for during the main event which she wasnt part of, then getting one of the biggest reactions is fantastic. Shes always been popular, but now shes actually being used as a main cog of the show.

Also AllIN trending worldwide is amazing.
 
Got to admit. All In last night was the most fun I've had watching wrestling in a long time. Great stories, spots and matches. Every single match pure fun and spectacular. Even Aldis looked exceptional. Omega vs Penta was incredible. Seriously would have thought I'd have seen more love for it on here.
 
Really enjoyed seeing something other than the WWE monotony each week tbh.

Might start watching Impact instead and see if it's anything other than garbage.

I went to the NJPW event in Altrincham and saw Okada and he was amazing, his match last night was great. Kenny's was fantastic and the main event incredible. Didn't actually think that much of Cody vs. Aldis but it was more about symbolism and the story than the actual match.
 
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