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JoaquinJoaquin said:
Owens and Jericho was done pretty much themselves with no creative. The list was Jerichos idea and they seen how popular it was and ran with it. Usos / New Day has been great, but that's been because of the in ring action not the creative. The Bar are boring IMO. I honestly can count the amount of good things they done on the main roster on one hand for 2017. I personally don't want Kenny Omega or any of the NJPW anywhere near the WWE as the company will ruin them within 12 months like they have Nakamura and Balor. NXT is different because that is ran by Triple H, not Vince and main creative.
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Adding all the segments, matches and feuds over all those hours of TV and PPVs you can't think of more then 5? Sure lot of shit in that but still.

Wasn't it Jimmy Jacobs who then worked for creative. I don't think it's fair to not give them credit when they do the good things, say it's the wrestlers and just say all the bad thing is there fault.

With Omega I doubt he will to be honest. Although if he was to go to WWE I think he'd get the AJ Styles treatment over Nakamura but still I think can't see him going anytime soon. With ROH and NJ on such a rise. He seems like the guy to see that through.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Adding all the segments, matches and feuds over all those hours of TV and PPVs you can't think of more then 5? Sure lot of shit in that but still.

Wasn't it Jimmy Jacobs who then worked for creative. I don't think it's fair to not give them credit when they do the good things, say it's the wrestlers and just say all the bad thing is there fault.

With Omega I doubt he will to be honest. Although if he was to go to WWE I think he'd get the AJ Styles treatment over Nakamura but still I think can't see him going anytime soon. With ROH and NJ on such a rise. He seems like the guy to see that through.
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Nah he believes his own hype and would jump at chance of WWE.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Adding all the segments, matches and feuds over all those hours of TV and PPVs you can't think of more then 5? Sure lot of shit in that but still.

Wasn't it Jimmy Jacobs who then worked for creative. I don't think it's fair to not give them credit when they do the good things, say it's the wrestlers and just say all the bad thing is there fault.

With Omega I doubt he will to be honest. Although if he was to go to WWE I think he'd get the AJ Styles treatment over Nakamura but still I think can't see him going anytime soon. With ROH and NJ on such a rise. He seems like the guy to see that through.
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Segments and storyline wise then no I can't. The only things I really liked was the return of the Hardys, the Usos \ New Day feud (in the ring), The rise of Braun and that is about it.

When you look at the other main talking points in WWE 2017:

- The Shield: I liked the idea of the reunion originally, but this was only done for 3 reasons: (1) To get Roman over because everything else they have tried hasn't worked. This hasn't so far either. (2) Because they killed Seth when bringing him back heel after his injury. Like why would you do that?. 'Wacky' Dean Ambrose was in danger of becoming Dolph Ziggler mark 2. Fans had just about stopped caring for him. Truth be told they crapped the bed with Ambrose with the Brock WM match a year or 2 back, that killed him. And reason (3) To prolong time. Put them in a program to delay things as they didn't have any storylines.

- Money in the Bank: Had Baron Corbin (who the fans hate, not for being a heel, but for being rubbish) win and then lose it in a stupid manner. The Women's ending was that messed up they had to repeat the match on SD 2 nights later.

- The promotion of NXT wrestlers: Nakamura they have turned into a laughing stock. Asuka is floundering. Tye Dillinger, don't need to say anymore. Jury is out on Riot Squad. Mandy Rose can't wrestle (although gorgeous). Revival have been unlucky with injuries, but overall it is hardly encouraging the promotion scheme over the last 18 months.

- Undertakers 'final' match: If it was to be his last match, then what a stinker that was.

- Jinder experiment: I applaud them for trying something different with him. But it never stuck and continued forever and ever.... and ever. Then had him job in his 'home country' to Triple H :rolleyes:.

- Brock Lesnar matches: Brock is so stale now it's beyond a joke. He clearly doesn't want to be there. When you struggle to get a decent match with AJ Styles then you know something is wrong.

- Emmalina: Took forever to debut. Was dead on arrival. Sacked a few months later. Great.

- The decline of Smackdown: Hard to believe a year ago SD was probably the better show. Not sure if it has anything to do with Road Dogg becoming a head writer, but since then it's fell off a cliff and is barely watchable now.

I could go on, honestly. Sound like a negative Nancy but it's just the truth. Ratings agree with me.
 
Agree with nearly everything @JoaquinJoaquin said except the Brock thing.

With the right opponent, he can put on decent matches.

The 4 way match, his fight against AJ and his fight against Samoa Joe were really fun.
 
Alpha vs. Omega was awesome, Jericho is feckin' amazing.

Really good PPV, but way too long... but still enjoy most of it though.

Still do not get the Young Bucks at all. How anyone can say they're the best tag team in the world is beyond me.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Looks like Jericho's sticking around in Japan for a bit
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That's a strange one I find. Surely they aren't bringing Jericho in to lose twice? But at the same time, If Jericho beats Naito, then they have killed Naito stone dead. Would be something WWE would do actually :D.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
That's a strange one I find. Surely they aren't bringing Jericho in to lose twice? But at the same time, If Jericho beats Naito, then they have killed Naito stone dead. Would be something WWE would do actually :D.
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Jericho can lose twice, doesn't hurt him at all.

The man is basically bullet-proof at this point in his career.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Jericho can lose twice, doesn't hurt him at all.

The man is basically bullet-proof at this point in his career.
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Do you not think? Just be surprised they would go to the lengths to build up bringing him in and him losing twice, even if it is the right thing to do. You would think his ego wouldn't allow that being that he is a huge star on both sides of the Atlantic.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Do you not think? Just be surprised they would go to the lengths to build up bringing him in and him losing twice, even if it is the right thing to do. You would think his ego wouldn't allow that being that he is a huge star on both sides of the Atlantic.
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Jericho doesn't really have an ego as such, he pretty much loses all his feuds. Even if he wins big one-off matches (like against Styles at 'Mania) he'll always lose the feud.

Can't even think of the last feud he actually came out on top off... and it's never hurt him.

Jericho loses to Naito in a cracking match, then he'll still return to WWE as a star, and he'll still look like a million bucks in NJPW for having two awesome matches at his age.
 
Also, now that Sami Zayn is a heel, Kota Ibushi has to be the most natural baby face around?

You just can't not like him.
 
AJ vs Brock was fantastic. It was just the way it should have been.
 
What's the big deal about Finn Balor? Every time I've seen him he doesn't look anything special and his mic skills seem very wooden.
I never watched any of the Bullet Club thing he was in or NXT, just what I've seen on Raw.
 
a_devil_inside said:
What's the big deal about Finn Balor? Every time I've seen him he doesn't look anything special and his mic skills seem very wooden.
I never watched any of the Bullet Club thing he was in or NXT, just what I've seen on Raw.
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He been in Japan so he's a kinda acceptable version of Roman Reigns to the internet fans.

Kinda bland, women love him and he can go in the ring.
 
His demon personality is a real hook too.
NXT (as per usual) showcased him so well. WWE kinda made him... just another guy.
 
The moment Jason Jordan said “most dominant 3 man group” you just knew they were away to come out. Downside tho why call it “The Balor Club” why not “The Club” like it was when AJ had them as back up. We all know it’s WWE’s version of The Bullet Club and I bet it secretly irks Vince every time he looks in the crowd and sees lots of bullet Club Merch at his shows. Probably wishing he could get in on that.

You have a basis to build something on here and maybe including AJ in it somehow, someway. Seems like “the Club” would have been a better competition for the Shield than the Bar and the Miz.

Maybe a feud is away to be built up but since Dean is out for some time I’d imagine this will be another wasted storyline.

Kurt gave a big hint about a former female WWE star returning for the rumble. Wonder who it could be. Trish, Phoenix, Kong, AJ Lee.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
The moment Jason Jordan said “most dominant 3 man group” you just knew they were away to come out. Downside tho why call it “The Balor Club” why not “The Club” like it was when AJ had them as back up. We all know it’s WWE’s version of The Bullet Club and I bet it secretly irks Vince every time he looks in the crowd and sees lots of bullet Club Merch at his shows. Probably wishing he could get in on that.

You have a basis to build something on here and maybe including AJ in it somehow, someway. Seems like “the Club” would have been a better competition for the Shield than the Bar and the Miz.

Maybe a feud is away to be built up but since Dean is out for some time I’d imagine this will be another wasted storyline.

Kurt gave a big hint about a former female WWE star returning for the rumble. Wonder who it could be. Trish, Phoenix, Kong, AJ Lee.
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Yeah it should be the 2nd incarnation of the club, rather than Balor club. Perhaps Vince thought it was too much of a rip off considering Balor and AJ we're both leaders.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Yeah it should be the 2nd incarnation of the club, rather than Balor club. Perhaps Vince thought it was too much of a rip off considering Balor and AJ we're both leaders.
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I guess it could be a shot across the bows of The Bullet Club since Anderson and Balor(Devitt) are the ones that started it all. So calling it Balor Club would be like them laying claim to it.

Dream scenario that some sort of cross promotion thing happens with The Balor Club vs The Bullet Club at Mania. Obviously Balor Club would need a few more additions. Would honestly love nothing more than to see Omega at Mania but undoubtedly WWE would screw that up as well.
 
They already have trademarks and such on Balor Club and can come out with new merch based on that and the trio. Name not an issue.
Biggest shame is that we are getting this and it doesnt include Ambrose.

Also a big shame as it looked like they were turning Jordan and I think that would have suited him especially how they went with the whining angle. They obviously can do that down the line but think now would have been a good time for it to happen.

Expecting Ambrose to come back, tease a reunion than turn heel on Rollins.
 
What is with the 3 man stables? and what is with the increasing amount of them named after a leader. Miztourage, Titus Worldwide, Balor Club, Zo Train, Riot Squad...
 
Sylar said:
His demon personality is a real hook too.
NXT (as per usual) showcased him so well. WWE kinda made him... just another guy.
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His best work has been as a heel in Japan. I think he's just suffered from WWE not knowing how to write or book babyfaces.

His injury set him back, he debut's on the main roster and pins Reigns clean, won the Universal Championship on his first PPV and then got injured. They don't seem to know what to do with him since he's back. Feuded with Wyatt and Elias since he's got back, so that says it all.

My main gripe is that he doesn't change up his moveset when he uses the demon.
 
I agree @Hal9000
That injury was terrible for him cos hes been 'lost' since his return. Rollins turned face so that took out his obvious return feud. With Brock holding the title, they went for him holding it whole year and nobody touching him until eventually Reigns does.

But Finn had some momentum going and had a really good win against AJ. And then got squashed by Kane a few weeks in a row and was doing nothingness with Miztourage. It just didnt make sense.

BTW, im really looking forward to the Mixed tag tournament (on facebook). Some crazy teams (miz and Asuka being one of my favs). Shame Joe is out cos him and Bayley would have been something.
 
Sylar said:
They already have trademarks and such on Balor Club and can come out with new merch based on that and the trio. Name not an issue.
Biggest shame is that we are getting this and it doesnt include Ambrose.

Also a big shame as it looked like they were turning Jordan and I think that would have suited him especially how they went with the whining angle. They obviously can do that down the line but think now would have been a good time for it to happen.

Expecting Ambrose to come back, tease a reunion than turn heel on Rollins.
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I don’t know, I get the impression that they are still going to turn Jordan heal. Right now he is like a smarmy petulant child writing cheques that his ass can’t cash and starting fights with everyone. Just think they will now do it in a different way with Rollins effectivly chained to him and having to watch it happen which is kind of an intresting angle. They might have Rollins work on him and bring him to face and curb his petulant nature like some sort of Obi-Won kenobi deal.

Also I just think “The Club” which they must already have trademarks for since they used it sounds better, plus like the bullet club that name can live on without Balor in it. Just seems like really poor marketing/storytelling once again.

What’s happened to Joe? I thought he and her with the shitest finisher ever would be pretty funny. Was looking forward to her trying to hug Joe then him putting her in that sleeper cocina clutch I think.
 
Joe got an injury on Raw it seems so is out of the tourny. Man I hope he does not miss WM and a potential match with Cena.
Bayley and Elias though is a great matchup.
As is Becky and heel Sami.
 
Hal9000 said:
What is with the 3 man stables? and what is with the increasing amount of them named after a leader. Miztourage, Titus Worldwide, Balor Club, Zo Train, Riot Squad...
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A current trend in wrestling. New Japan have 6 man tag champs for instance. I've always preferred stables to tag teams, they're something "cooler" about them.
 
WON reporting on the scheduled top two matches for Mania

Right now, the two top matches for Mania are scheduled as Lesnar vs. Reigns and Cena vs. Undertaker. So unless Undertaker changes his mind, and given how hard they promoted him for the 25th Raw and his being backstage at TV in Birmingham on 1/9, it makes that seem unlikely, one would expect the angle for Cena vs. Undertaker to be shot in two weeks on the 25th Raw.

They're going to keep going until Taker pretty much strips naked in there right?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
WON reporting on the scheduled top two matches for Mania

Right now, the two top matches for Mania are scheduled as Lesnar vs. Reigns and Cena vs. Undertaker. So unless Undertaker changes his mind, and given how hard they promoted him for the 25th Raw and his being backstage at TV in Birmingham on 1/9, it makes that seem unlikely, one would expect the angle for Cena vs. Undertaker to be shot in two weeks on the 25th Raw.

They're going to keep going until Taker pretty much strips naked in there right?
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I read something about Cena is going to interrupt The Undertaker on the 25th show to start the feud going
 
Cena vs Joe would have been better.
Taker vs Cena should have happened a couple of years ago.
 
I know the streak is over. But would be silly if he loses again. Three times in five years after not losing for over 20 years. I hope he returns as American bad ass. Joe vs Cena should have happened last year when Joe was just a stooge for Triple H whilst Cena had a predictable feud with Miz. Should have had Joe go over and then Cena disappear for a few months rather than him beating Miz and disappearing.
 
Bojan11 said:
I know the streak is over. But would be silly if he loses again. Three times in five years after not losing for over 20 years. I hope he returns as American bad ass. Joe vs Cena should have happened last year when Joe was just a stooge for Triple H whilst Cena had a predictable feud with Miz. Should have had Joe go over and then Cena disappear for a few months rather than him beating Miz and disappearing.
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Pretty much a given that the undertaker wins this one, seems like something Cena would do for the cred. However this sort of pisses all over that putting his jacket and hat down in the middle of the ring. However if the Undertaker is going to step away you’d rather it was with a win and I think this will be it, this will be his last match as he looked broken in that Reigns fight.

Two things I’m looking forward to tho Bryant return. It’ll probably be vs Shane but I’d rather it was AJ. Also kinda pumped for the woman’s royal rumble.
 
It’s on, HHH was out for dinner with Rousey in LA and has admitted talks are on going, she’ll be in the rumble, then probably make Asuka tap to an Armbar breaking the run at some other event. Mania probably.
 
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