Thibaut Courtois | Performances

BobbyManc said:
£40m is a bit steep but Stoke will not be selling him for any less than £25m. I'd say £25-35m is what a team would have to pay if they wanted him, regardless of his true value.
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Damien said:
Agreed. There's no real pressure for them to sell as I think they're fine financially and with the new PL deal, plus he only signed a new five and a half year contract last month.
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If Chelsea go to the market for a keeper, everyone will know that Courtois is moving to real madrid. Not hard to guess that it would be for a world record fee.
Stoke are flush with cash and seem to be headed for good things in future, they dont need to sell.
He is english and will comand a 20-30% premium on his actual value just for that reason.

Taking all three into account Butlands fee could easily top 30m+. That is not taking into account that City need to upgrade their keeper too and will be looking at Butland.
 
goin4glory said:
What's his problem with Chelsea exactly? They got rid of a top 5 keeper in the world to put him in the team, has he had a fallout with someone?
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He wasn't an elite goalkeeper anymore after Hunt injured him. Before that, he was on course to become an all time great. He lost a bit of bottle after the incident.

Ferguson said he, along with Buffon, were almost complete at just 21/22 years old.
 
Jippy said:
You could say the same about big Dave though.
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Yes. If you guys appoint Giggs and it turns out badly, can see De Gea wanting to leave too.

Still think you will get Mourinho and the first thing he will do it put up a rock solid defense.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I dunno about that. Not to take anything away from De Gea at that time because I think he was the third best in the world, but Courtois had just played a crucial role in an amazing La Liga win and was pivotal in Atlético reaching the Champions League final.

I don't doubt De Gea's ability to perform but (from memory...) he was and still is fairly unproven in the Champions League. Not his fault he hasn't had the chance to show more in that competition but still a consideration.

It's probably not something worth arguing over though - they were both very close in ability that season either way, and De Gea has created a huge gap between the two now.
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What does the bold part actually mean? He is a GK and has been routinely making ridiculous saves one after the other for 3-4 seasons now. Will he be having two players kicking two separate balls at him in the CL that you call him 'unproven' in the CL?

This sort of statement makes sense for an outfield player as they come up against better quality players in defense, midfield and in the attacking areas. This makes no difference to a GK, esp one like DDG. He will still be saving shots and collecting crosses and distributing. We have seen DDG do all three to an absolutely stunning level. How will that change in the CL?
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
I thought he was great before the sending off, which was embarrassing from the Chelsea defence. Fernandinho overruns the ball and still finds himself one on one.

Courtois is 18 months younger than Big Dave. De Gea took over a year to really find his feet in The Premier League.
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He has been in this league for almost 3 years now. DDG was running Neuer close for the #1 spot at that point.
 
NK86 said:
He has been in this league for almost 3 years now. DDG was running Neuer close for the #1 spot at that point.
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Wrong. Courtois joined in 2014 summer.

And to add his first season was quite good. Much better than DeGea's first season in PL.

It's not fair to judge him on this shit show of a season. The defense has been atrocious.
 
NK86 said:
What does the bold part actually mean? He is a GK and has been routinely making ridiculous saves one after the other for 3-4 seasons now. Will he be having two players kicking two separate balls at him in the CL that you call him 'unproven' in the CL?

This sort of statement makes sense for an outfield player as they come up against better quality players in defense, midfield and in the attacking areas. This makes no difference to a GK, esp one like DDG. He will still be saving shots and collecting crosses and distributing. We have seen DDG do all three to an absolutely stunning level. How will that change in the CL?
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I don't think it will change. However, it's clear the importance of the match is higher in the Champions League. De Gea's reputation worldwide would benefit a huge amount from big performances against the top teams in the Champions League knock out stages.

What if he suddenly started bottling those games? Almost certainly wouldn't happen, but it could - Higuaín would be rated a lot higher if he hadn't bottled so many big games in his career.
 
AshfordLad said:
Wrong. Courtois joined in 2014 summer.

And to add his first season was quite good. Much better than DeGea's first season in PL.

It's not fair to judge him on this shit show of a season. The defense has been atrocious.
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That's the big issue for me with Courtois. This season is the first time in his career he's had a shaky defence in front of him. Up until now he's had the luxury of playing behind top defences at Atletico and Chelsea and racking up the clean sheets without having to do much. Any goalkeeper would be made to look better than they actually are in those instances. Dave has had to put up with some awful players in front of him on a regular basis and he's still shone. Courtois has been found out this season. Good goalkeeper yes but nowhere near world class.
 
AshfordLad said:
Wrong. Courtois joined in 2014 summer.

And to add his first season was quite good. Much better than DeGea's first season in PL.

It's not fair to judge him on this shit show of a season. The defense has been atrocious.
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Not sure that logic holds up. Our defense has not been all that for last 2 seasons and on occasions this season, yet DDG has been excellent. In fact in general, keepers make more of a name for themselves behind poor defenses. That's pretty much how Casillas established himself as one of the best.
 
Has there been any believable reports about him going elsewhere or just junk so far?
 
crappycraperson said:
Not sure that logic holds up. Our defense has not been all that for last 2 seasons and on occasions this season, yet DDG has been excellent. In fact in general, keepers make more of a name for themselves behind poor defenses. That's pretty much how Casillas established himself as one of the best.
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De Gea has made the defence look better than it is on paper over the past 2 years, despite some standout performances from Blind and Smalling.

I don't think De Gea is as complete as some United fans though. He is still not perfect at dealing with crosses. Every keeper has a weakness.
 
Before leaving he should consult with David James if he is good enough to start over Navas.
 
shaggy said:
I remember when the hipsters were claiming he was better than De Gea :lol:

Oh, and @Vato , you had a shocker there mate :D
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They wasn't a lot between the two of them for a while but Courtois has gone backwards this season whereas at worst De Gea has been at the same level he was last season(i.e. Brilliant)
 
AshfordLad said:
Yes. If you guys appoint Giggs and it turns out badly, can see De Gea wanting to leave too.

Still think you will get Mourinho and the first thing he will do it put up a rock solid defense.
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Like he did at Chelsea?
 
NK86 said:
What does the bold part actually mean? He is a GK and has been routinely making ridiculous saves one after the other for 3-4 seasons now. Will he be having two players kicking two separate balls at him in the CL that you call him 'unproven' in the CL?

This sort of statement makes sense for an outfield player as they come up against better quality players in defense, midfield and in the attacking areas. This makes no difference to a GK, esp one like DDG. He will still be saving shots and collecting crosses and distributing. We have seen DDG do all three to an absolutely stunning level. How will that change in the CL?
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Well said.
 
AshfordLad said:
Wrong. Courtois joined in 2014 summer.

And to add his first season was quite good. Much better than DeGea's first season in PL.

It's not fair to judge him on this shit show of a season. The defense has been atrocious.
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Ok, so he has been here for two seasons. In one he has been very good, in the other he has had a mixed bag.

DDG was obviously struggling with the physical side of the league when he first came here. Courtois didn't have that issue.

However when DDG came into his own he was better than Courtois. So basically, although it was close and the media was fawning over Courtois, DDG was still better than him the last two seasons. This season has been a no contest where DDG has been head and shoulders over every keeper in the league.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I don't think it will change. However, it's clear the importance of the match is higher in the Champions League. De Gea's reputation worldwide would benefit a huge amount from big performances against the top teams in the Champions League knock out stages.

What if he suddenly started bottling those games? Almost certainly wouldn't happen, but it could - Higuaín would be rated a lot higher if he hadn't bottled so many big games in his career.
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It did with his outrageous saves against Madrid a few seasons back.

When has a top GK ever 'bottled' a Champions League game? Is he going to start throwing the ball in his own net? :lol:
 
crappycraperson said:
Not sure that logic holds up. Our defense has not been all that for last 2 seasons and on occasions this season, yet DDG has been excellent. In fact in general, keepers make more of a name for themselves behind poor defenses. That's pretty much how Casillas established himself as one of the best.
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NK86 said:
Ok, so he has been here for two seasons. In one he has been very good, in the other he has had a mixed bag.

DDG was obviously struggling with the physical side of the league when he first came here. Courtois didn't have that issue.

However when DDG came into his own he was better than Courtois. So basically, although it was close and the media was fawning over Courtois, DDG was still better than him the last two seasons. This season has been a no contest where DDG has been head and shoulders over every keeper in the league.
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Different players need different circumstances to thrive. Courtois lacks the reflexes of De Gea (or even Lloris) so he does not look world class behind a crap defense. There are still things that he is better at than De Gea, although he has'nt this season.

Behind a top defense (which is kind of his natural enviornment) his strengths like positioning, anticipation and catching will start to make him look world class again. Its a temporary thing and he has been in and out due to injury too. He is still worthy of a starting spot at one of the top CL clubs.
 
AshfordLad said:
Wrong. Courtois joined in 2014 summer.

And to add his first season was quite good. Much better than DeGea's first season in PL.

It's not fair to judge him on this shit show of a season. The defense has been atrocious.
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Debatable. De Gea was a bit wank in the first half, but he was the best keeper in the league during the second half of the first season, while also being sensational in Europa League.

Courtuis had a better season, but not much better. He also had a better defense and was quite more experienced than De Gea when he came to England.
 
AshfordLad said:
If Chelsea go to the market for a keeper, everyone will know that Courtois is moving to real madrid. Not hard to guess that it would be for a world record fee.
Stoke are flush with cash and seem to be headed for good things in future, they dont need to sell.
He is english and will comand a 20-30% premium on his actual value just for that reason.

Taking all three into account Butlands fee could easily top 30m+. That is not taking into account that City need to upgrade their keeper too and will be looking at Butland.
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Chelsea would be fools to pay near that for Butland though. Especially if they sell Courtuis to Madrid, they can get Navas - who is a superior keeper compared to Butland, and actually better than Courtuis at the moment - for cheap, as part of the Courtuis transfer (similar to the deal we made with Madrid last season).
 
Revan said:
Chelsea would be fools to pay near that for Butland though. Especially if they sell Courtuis to Madrid, they can get Navas - who is a superior keeper compared to Butland, and actually better than Courtuis at the moment - for cheap, as part of the Courtuis transfer (similar to the deal we made with Madrid last season).
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Sold De Bruyne, sold Lukaku, didnt sell mikel, bought djilobodji. Its safe to say fools are running the transfers at Chelsea.
 
AshfordLad said:
Gol seems to be rattled by the season Chelsea has had. He is blamin one an all including players, manager and board for the mistakes of a few.
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It wad a mistake from everyone. Players, manager and board members. A big shitfeck of a screw up that caused the English Champions to fall into mid place in the league. Like United but worse.
 
AshfordLad said:
Different players need different circumstances to thrive. Courtois lacks the reflexes of De Gea (or even Lloris) so he does not look world class behind a crap defense. There are still things that he is better at than De Gea, although he has'nt this season.

Behind a top defense (which is kind of his natural enviornment) his strengths like positioning, anticipation and catching will start to make him look world class again. Its a temporary thing and he has been in and out due to injury too. He is still worthy of a starting spot at one of the top CL clubs.
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Did I or anyone say that he is not a top keeper. Just pointing out he is not as good as DDG who, on current form, has a genuine claim to being the best GK in the world.
 
Gol123 said:
It wad a mistake from everyone. Players, manager and board members. A big shitfeck of a screw up that caused the English Champions to fall into mid place in the league. Like United but worse.
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At least you already know the direction the club has taken to get you back to the top. Out board seem inept from the outside and we are still unsure who will be in charge next season.
 
NK86 said:
Did I or anyone say that he is not a top keeper. Just pointing out he is not as good as DDG who, on current form, has a genuine claim to being the best GK in the world.
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Yes. Duffer and Gol said they would like to sell Courtois and buy Butland.

Did I ever say that Courtois is better than De Gea, where did you get that from? I didnt even feel he was better than Cech when we sold Cech.

All I stated was De Gea had a subpar year in pl too, so ppl should cut Courtois some slack.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I don't think it will change. However, it's clear the importance of the match is higher in the Champions League. De Gea's reputation worldwide would benefit a huge amount from big performances against the top teams in the Champions League knock out stages.

What if he suddenly started bottling those games? Almost certainly wouldn't happen, but it could - Higuaín would be rated a lot higher if he hadn't bottled so many big games in his career.
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He was brilliant against Madrid in 13 at the Bernabeu.
 
AshfordLad said:
Yes. Duffer and Gol said they would like to sell Courtois and buy Butland.

Did I ever say that Courtois is better than De Gea, where did you get that from? I didnt even feel he was better than Cech when we sold Cech.

All I stated was De Gea had a subpar year in pl too, so ppl should cut Courtois some slack.
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I am not judging him on this year. Just saying that Courtois was overhyped when DDG was clearly ahead of him as a GK.
 
No shit. Wilmots is an idiot.
 
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