Thiago Silva | Fluminense Player

I would say and hope to be right that Zouma is his most likely partner, both French speaking and Zouma has always performed best with a solid leader and cool head next to him in either Terry or Cahill.
Hope so too. Zouma is not good enough.
 
Yeah no arguments from me that the new guys improve you. My point was that I believed our strongest eleven to be superior to yours and that your recent signings have "only" brought your strongest lineup to our level, rather than surpassed it. It is your squad depth that pushes you ahead of us in my opinion.

Curious as to why you feel you need a "top drawer striker after this season"? Isn't that what Werner is? With more than adequate backup in Abraham.

The club aim to have two good options for every position. To be honest I forgot about Tammy when I wrote that.
 
If I was a Chelsea fan and we signed them players, of course I’d be delighted as it’s a massive upgrade based on what they had. They had Mount, Abraham, Willian, Giroud, Pedro as their primary options. They’re not exactly Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Bruno and Pogba.

It’s all relative to what you have.

If I was a Chelsea fan I’d be happy with the signings but equally devastated if Utd just added to their already brilliant attack by adding Sancho to it!

Oddly enough you leave out Pulisic and oddly enough they finished on the same amount of points and scored more goals than United last season. Perhaps out front three isn’t as brilliant as you suggest..
 
Oddly enough you leave out Pulisic and oddly enough they finished on the same amount of points and scored more goals than United last season. Perhaps out front three isn’t as brilliant as you suggest..
Rashford was out for 3 months, Martial I think had 1-2 months out, Pogba out 6 months and Bruno only joined in January.
 
Oddly enough you leave out Pulisic and oddly enough they finished on the same amount of points and scored more goals than United last season. Perhaps out front three isn’t as brilliant as you suggest..

As has been discussed many times on this forum, last season was a rogue season for Utd. Because we literally had two teams playing two separate half’s of the seasons.

Having no Pogba, Bruno or Matic for the first half of the season is ripping the heart out of the team. Greenwood only became prominent as we got to the new year after he kept impressing in Europa. Rashford being out for 3 months.

We all know our best eleven is brilliant. The squad depth is the problem. Chelseas first eleven was not great. They’ve now risen to a level of first eleven to compete with Utd. But adding Sancho to Utd is a significant improvement to the point it raises Utd massively.

My point was Chelseas signings were always going to be great for Chelsea fans because the first choice options weren’t great as it is. Yes Pulisic is brilliant. After him it’s nothing to write home about.
 
He doesn't strike me as having declined significantly, though that is based on only a small sample of recent games.

Chelsea were definitely weak at the back. Signing Silva and Sarr for no fees and letting Sarr go on loan looks like good business to me.

He did not, he was having one of his best season with PSG before COVID and was impressive during the final 8. Definitely a good short term fix.
 
Emery said in some interview this year that Silva was reluctant to defend high up the field, and he couldn't convince him to change his game. I didn't see him much under Tuchel to be honest, but it seems strange to sign a 35 yo defender to play with a high defensive line in the Premier League, especially if this is true and he isn't comfortable with that approach.


I found it, it was with France Football in February.

Sur sa gestion de Thiago Silva

«Je voulais que l'équipe défende plus haut. Thiago Silva est un super joueur mais je voulais qu'il soit plus haut et je n'ai pas réussi à lui faire accepter cela. Je voulais qu'il sorte de sa zone de confort, qu'il ose défendre plus haut pour que la pression générale de l'équipe sur l'adversaire soit plus efficace. J'ai travaillé avec lui pour lui faire accepter cela mais je n'ai pas réussi. Et cette caractéristique du jeu de Thiago Silva rejaillissait sur toute l'équipe qui, sous la pression, avait une tendance naturelle à reculer. Comme au Camp Nou, la saison précédente. Pourtant, je donnais la consigne de remonter. Mais ça n'a pas été entendu...»


https://www.francefootball.fr/news/...venir-le-meilleur-entraineur-du-monde/1108294

“I wanted the team to defend higher. Thiago Silva is a great player but I wanted him to be higher and I couldn't get him to accept that. I wanted him to get out of his comfort zone, that he dares to defend higher so that the general pressure of the team on the opponent is more effective. I worked with him to get him to accept this but I was not successful. And this characteristic of Thiago Silva's game reflected on the whole team who, under pressure, had a natural tendency to back down. As at Camp Nou, the previous season. However, I gave the instruction to go back up. But that was not heard ... "
 
Of all Chelsea's signings so far. I think this is the best one.
 
Of all Chelsea's signings so far. I think this is the best one.
I’d have to say Havertz or Werner will be the best one for the dramatic improvement they will make to what they had. Havertz is so so good. Going right to the top if he can continue his progression.
 
Emery said in some interview this year that Silva was reluctant to defend high up the field, and he couldn't convince him to change his game. I didn't see him much under Tuchel to be honest, but it seems strange to sign a 35 yo defender to play with a high defensive line in the Premier League, especially if this is true and he isn't comfortable with that approach.


I found it, it was with France Football in February.

He did a bit better this year but yeah, defending high up really doesn't run in his DNA. If he can get a more agressive CB by his side, that would be a very good pair. Also, Emery is an ass that just try to used Thiago Silva as an excuse for his failure at PSG.
 
Obviously was the best centre back in the world at one point but to the pl from the French league is Hard enough without being 35/36. I can see him struggling big time
 
The last time they had a similar summer in terms of transfer was 04/05, when 7 acquisitions were made. They were all approaching their prime similar to this summer transfer (excluding Thiago Silva), compared to 06/07 which was a contrast of the previous season. (04/05: Cech – 22, Carvalho – 24, Didier – 25, Arjen Robben – 20, Kezman – 25, Ferreira – 25, Tiago – 23). (06/07: Ballack – 30, Sheva – 30).

I agree. I was talking about showing intent in the transfer market. In 06/07 - they got two of the best players in the world at the time to make a push for champions league win (after having built a squad which was winning the PL).

In 04/05 - they did the same to strengthen a team for the long term to win the PL. Both were big summers.

I'm not comparing those windows with this one on a like for like analysis. All I am saying is that those were BIG summers, and so is this one.

In fact, their 06/07 window almost paid off with the CL next season, had it not been for a John Terry slip ;)
 
I agree. I was talking about showing intent in the transfer market. In 06/07 - they got two of the best players in the world at the time to make a push for champions league win (after having built a squad which was winning the PL).

In 04/05 - they did the same to strengthen a team for the long term to win the PL. Both were big summers.

I'm not comparing those windows with this one on a like for like analysis. All I am saying is that those were BIG summers, and so is this one.

In fact, their 06/07 window almost paid off with the CL next season, had it not been for a John Terry slip ;)
Our 08 side was quality. We run arguably your greatest side of all time as close as possible in the pl and cl that season.
 
1-Maguire is far faster than you think he is, slow on the turn? Sure. Over 100m he’s not slow at all.
2-a 36 year old Thiago Silva is a lot slower than you think too. Maguire would leave him in the first in a leg race. You are making the mistake of comparing turning speed to actual pace.
This is football, not a straight line 100m race.
 
Our 08 side was quality. We run arguably your greatest side of all time as close as possible in the pl and cl that season.

Most great teams need a brilliant rival to push them to the limits. That Chelsea side was excellent.
 
1-Maguire is far faster than you think he is, slow on the turn? Sure. Over 100m he’s not slow at all.
2-a 36 year old Thiago Silva is a lot slower than you think too. Maguire would leave him in the first in a leg race. You are making the mistake of comparing turning speed to actual pace.
If you think pace over 100m is relevant in football, I'd say you are the one with mistaken notions here.
 
What does "pure pace" mean? Top speed?
100% pure, pace

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and how come defenders don't dance anymore? Remember Joga Bonito?
 
as a closer follower of Ligue 1 and the reporters around it...I just cannot see how Thiago at 36 with no pace, with tendencies to be a no-show in Big Euro night is going to make it in the PL(against the Top6 UNLESS Frank goes with a back 3!)
 
Athletes don't reach their top speed until 40-50 meters. The vast majority of sprints are in the 5-20m range. "turning speed" is a better metric of estimating pace in a football context than top speed.
 
Athletes don't reach their top speed until 40-50 meters. The vast majority of sprints are in the 5-20m range. "turning speed" is a better metric of estimating pace in a football context than top speed.
That wasn’t really the initial debate though. Anyway my point is simple, Maguire is quicker than people think he is, even over 40 meters although I’ll concede that his turning pace can be slow and Silva isn’t as quick as he once was with him being 36. I’ve seen enough of him recently to think he will be a good signing anyway but if fast forwards get in him they can defiantly expose his older legs.
 
certainly not the Thiago from 2012

That's always going to be the case, though. Players get slower as they get older. What should we do, put down every centre back when they hit their thirties, because they're rarely going to be as quick as when they were 18? Doesn't necessarily mean the end of the world, especially if your positioning is decent and you have pace around you.

Seems like a decent signing to me. A short term deal, will add experience to the squad and can act as a good mentor for the younger players in the team. He will be useful for them.
 
I don’t know how many CBs would be considered World Class these days, there is definitely a big difference between the older generation and the new generation.

I wonder if it’s because of wanting to be a forward because of Messi and Ronaldo or if it’s down to wanting defenders to be coached with midfielder qualities like passing. Could be a bit of both.

There is no question Terry, Vidic , Ferdinand era were head and shoulders above this eras. England even had Carragher and King (before the dodgy knees) who were not quite top tier but still excellent.

I would put Varane and others in that 2nd tier level and they are considered the best of this generation. So for me this is a great signing, if the young boys could improve their communication from playing with him as much as anything then it would be a successful signing.
 
Been in semi-retirement last 6 years. Showing.
 
great start eh? a bit shocked about the Captaincy too
 
Need these twats for £130 - brilliant