Pace is irrelevant when your positioning is off the charts.
Thiago Silva | Fluminense Player
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Its all well and good saying maguire isn't as slow as people think but thiago is an actively very fast player. Not deceptively quick or fast for a defender. He is fast. Yes he has lost a bit but is still a fast player.
Nope, he was much slower than the Greek court coming to a verdictHe's certainly very fast at coming up with new excuses for evading justice.
Well I for one look forward to seeing Rashford skinning him for pace next time we meet.
I hope so man
Silva needs a quick and competent centre-back partner, and good support from Kante and Kovacic to bring the best out of him, which also means Chelsea need to buy one more CB. Silva partnering with Andreas Christensen or Antonio Rudiger or Kurt Zouma is a recipe for disaster. I don't think it solves the defensive problems they had last season to any great extent. More so that Azpilicueta will be one year older, and he seemed to have already lost his legs last season. The value of Silva is in a good positional sense, experience, short-range passing, and one-to-one strength, but less so in speed, tackling, and mental strength. Without another quality CB, I don't think Chelsea will do any better in defense than last season. Further, if Kepa cannot be moved on, that defensive weakness in goalkeeping may persist into the next season.
I think another CB should be Chelsea's sixth and final major transfer to complete the zigsaw. If they get hold of someone good, which isn't easy, Silva will be a top-notch player for a year and a bit, mentoring other young defenders and leading the backline with his many virtues.
I think another CB should be Chelsea's sixth and final major transfer to complete the zigsaw. If they get hold of someone good, which isn't easy, Silva will be a top-notch player for a year and a bit, mentoring other young defenders and leading the backline with his many virtues.
Good signing
Fifa disagrees with you
Chelsea fans must be delighted with their transfer activity this summer, lots to be optimistic about. I can't remember multiple signings of this magnitude since Roman first arrived. Every single one of their signings will walk into the first team - there are no squad fillers amongst those names.
Can’t wait to see a Greenwood rinsing him
I watched the final and didn’t think he did anything which would give me confidence he would be able to handle the premier league. Lewandowski, despite how great he is, is not a fast, dynamic player. He is all about movement and finishing.
The pacey threat from Bayern came from the wings in Gnabry and Coman. Silva wasn’t exposed much in this game at all as PSG took a defensive counter attacking approach to nulify Bayern’s threat. Even Neymar was dropping back to help out.
I just think Silva is not going to come here and rip up trees at his age. It would have been a challenge for him even in his peak as the premier league is a different animal in intensity and speed to any other league.
I literally can’t think of a defender who has been top class in Italy and come over the premier league and replicated it.
rumours they will loan tomori for a season (possibly everton?)... perhars tomori and sarr would learn more training with silva for a season ?
Here's a good thread that goes over Silva's numbers:
Zouma would seem the ideal partner for him given his aerial presence. Also, Silva helps cover up Zouma's deficiencies in ball progression and Zouma has historically been at his best next to a vocal leader.
Zouma would seem the ideal partner for him given his aerial presence. Also, Silva helps cover up Zouma's deficiencies in ball progression and Zouma has historically been at his best next to a vocal leader.
dessalies?
though he played a hybrid role of dm / cb covering for when baresi stepped into midfield
He did, but as a forward he didn't have to even attempt to outpace anyone.
Yeah no arguments from me that the new guys improve you. My point was that I believed our strongest eleven to be superior to yours and that your recent signings have "only" brought your strongest lineup to our level, rather than surpassed it. It is your squad depth that pushes you ahead of us in my opinion.
Curious as to why you feel you need a "top drawer striker after this season"? Isn't that what Werner is? With more than adequate backup in Abraham.
Yeah, completely agree mate. My only concern is that they have superior squad depth. I wouldn't swap our strongest eleven for theirs either.
Struggling to think of many top-class Serie A defenders who moved to England. Desailly?
Very good signing. I think people forget he is a good passer of the ball as well.
Will be a leader in defence. Will be a positive short-term signing.
Will be a leader in defence. Will be a positive short-term signing.
Think he will do well.
Ah yes the ever reliable Fifa...
The fact we have to go so far back and he’s one of the few that comes to mind shows how difficult it is. There’s a reason why premier league clubs are reluctant to bring in defenders who are only proven in Italy.
hence, it’ll be interesting to see how Koulibaly does if he goes to city.
It's not just defenders. What midfielders or forwards have come in from Italy in the past decade and really done well?
The best players usually stay in Italy.
you really think a premier league club would have been reluctant to bring in Nesta, Cannavaro, Maldini, Cafu, Thuram, Carlos, Chilleni, Bonnucci etc if they could have realistically got them
This transfer tells me there is a serious lack of CB talents out there now, which we already know.
You could say the same about British defenders in Italy.
I think he should be fine. Not at his best anymore, but provided he has a suitable partner he should help in organising the defence better.
Still need a better keeper though, which is probably their most important area to improve.
Still need a better keeper though, which is probably their most important area to improve.
He's still world class. Shame we didn't want him.
His PSG partner would be a better buy. Kimpembe? I thought he did great on CL final.
The fact your having to pick World class legends and World Cup winners proves the point in a way.
Of course those players would be amazing in any team, but you don’t use “extremes” as an example for the “normal”.
But hardly any 'elite' defender from the Serie A has switched over to the Premier League in the prime of his career.
It is almost criminal to suggest that legends like Fabio Cannavaro, Bonucci, Andrea Barzagli, Thiago Silva, Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Mauro Tassott, Cafu, Giorgio Chiellini, Javier Zanetti, Lilian Thuram, Alessandro Nesta wouldn't have thrived in the Premier League.
How amazing would it have been if a handful of these legends crossed the Channel in the peaks of their careers?
Nah, I think it tells us that the price for a good CB has been inflated SO much in recent years that a deal for one this summer was impossible after all our other business.
When a club sees VVD go for £75m and Maguire go for £85m they now think their players are worth that sort of cash.
I was about to say. Desailly was top class.
Maybe, but I don’t see the massive numbers of quality CB’s anymore. We used to have Vidic, Ferdinand, Carvalho, Terry, Kompany, Cannavaro etc playing at the same time. Where are they all now?
If we had the same window as Chelsea, many would be creaming themselves. Short term CB partner for Maguire. Brilliant (much needed) right winger, an upgrade at left back and a great striker. Havertz to follow...my word. All the while we rumble on with Sancho
The players you mentioned may well have been amazing in the premier league as well, but that’s the point, they never came so we’ll never know.
But the players that did come who were world class in Italy like Shevchenko and Veron were very underwhelming.
The truth is the pace of the game makes a huge difference especially if you’ve been playing at a slower pace for most of your career.
Look at the opposite effect with the likes of Sanchez, Young and Lukaku. Even Smalling to an extent. All of them have done amazing over there. Young and Sanchez looked finished as players. But look prime in the slower league.
Adds leadership, stability, professionalism and experience to what was a very leaky backline.
Excellent signing considering he came on a free.
I don't expect him to be a world beater (hopefully!) but people underestimate the importance of a senior figure like him both on and off the field. We benefitted from similar when we signed Maguire (and Bruno).
Take the fecking blinkers off lads. I despise the renties as much as the next, but they have made signings in both quality and quantity.
Some of them might not make it, but they have added depth in an upcoming season which will test the limits of player fitness.
Excellent signing considering he came on a free.
I don't expect him to be a world beater (hopefully!) but people underestimate the importance of a senior figure like him both on and off the field. We benefitted from similar when we signed Maguire (and Bruno).
Take the fecking blinkers off lads. I despise the renties as much as the next, but they have made signings in both quality and quantity.
Some of them might not make it, but they have added depth in an upcoming season which will test the limits of player fitness.
If I was a Chelsea fan and we signed them players, of course I’d be delighted as it’s a massive upgrade based on what they had. They had Mount, Abraham, Willian, Giroud, Pedro as their primary options. They’re not exactly Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Bruno and Pogba.
It’s all relative to what you have.
If I was a Chelsea fan I’d be happy with the signings but equally devastated if Utd just added to their already brilliant attack by adding Sancho to it!
Now, that is a good signing for Chelsea. Will bring them leadership that they are missing. Couple of levels above Chilwell-transfer. Good move.