Looks like the Sport newspaper is suggesting Rooney to Barca and Thiago to United.
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Looks like I now doubt the credibility of Sport.
In terms of wading, the Caf is a pipe, twitter is a fecking ocean.
Rafael Hernandez has tweeted it (Thiago + 10-12m for Rooney) today saying that it's just his idea. Now that newspaper saying it. Dunno if there's anything on it.
I'd much rather we just pay the money for Thiago, swap deals rarely ever happen anyway.
No source, No quotes, Swap deals and Cider all kind of merge into one another.
I did hear that the release clause is for €18mil or whatever the feck Barca feel like asking for especially if it's a twitter-genic swap deal which grossly underrates a current Manchester United player.
So it could be on.
So it could be on.
With VAT is 21m. Add to that 12m and 33m for Rooney is as good as we can cope to get.
I think that is totally bullshit, anyway.
Yeah I got the deal the wrong way round (or read people in the twitter thread who had, anyway.) But it would still be a stupid deal. Thiago is going for cheap, with little Barca can do about the price, so there's no reason to even bother with swap deals. Buy Thiago, keep Rooney, win the Champions League.
I'm still kinda unclear on the release clause now. Isn't it that all United has to do is pay the amount? Does Barca get to demand more?
To be fair, I don't think that it is a bad idea to offload Rooney if a decent offer (and if this is true is more than decent) comes. I like to see Kagawa on that position and sincerely think that if we try to do a more possession game (now with Thiago we definitely can) Thiago is more suited to that role than Rooney. Even in counterattacks Thiago can be better.
Rooney is an incredible player (and better than Shinji) when he is on form and at good fitness, but I am worry a bit that he will not be next season. After a good season last year (though not good by his standards), with the change of manager with a manager with whom Rooney doesn't have good relations, his age and his fitness problems which were present at the end of the season, I really don't think that the team would suffer from his selling. Dunno, let's see and wait what happens. Of course the deals are not related, but if we think that 30-35m are enough for Rooney, than we can make this swap deal (if it really exists in the first place).
The consensus seems to be that technically they can make trouble by a) demanding that the buying club cover VAT, or b) because a foreign buying club has to give the fee to the player to buy out his own contract, and that transferral of funds is potentially subject to income tax (Spain's top bracket is something like 45% or 50%, I think?), effectively almost doubling the size of the fee.
When Bayern got Javi Martinez, however, both of those additional costs were avoided. And it's worth noting that whatever Barca do, they don't get more money. The only reasons for them to do it would be as a delaying tactic, to put us off with a higher price tag, or out of spite.
Also it's entirely possible that Thiago's release clause doesn't even present these problems. We already know it's not just a standard one, what with the minimum playing time stipulations.
Tl;dr - Barca can delay and make trouble, but if Thiago wants to come to us we'll get him for the basic £18mil.
How much would be a fair price for Thiago if he didn't have the release clause? Around 35m? This will be some steal if we get it through.
Probably closer to 25m than 35m.
So you're saying he's not as good as Andy Carroll?
These things are always hard to answer because of different leagues= different prices, but taking it all into account, probably 30 million. If he was born in England and played for a team like spurs and united wanted him, then he would be 40 million probably.
It depends on which club is buying. Real Madrid might expect to him cost about as much as Isco. The plastic clubs in England or France might be willing to splash a lot more, like they did for Moura and Hazard, in which case 35m is quite possible.
I've been keeping eye on this lad for a few years now. Originally he played a little more advanced and was touted as the next Messi. He was definitely something special. About 18 months ago his progress stalled, most likely trying to break thorough into the first team, I got less impressed. He did better this season when he played but it wasn't often enough. The u21 tournament has given him new life though and he was able to show his class, and he really is.
Fee wise, the market gets so distorted with the likes of city, chelsea, psg with their funds and Liverpool with their feckwittery.
He is the most talented young (under 23) Spanish player. Perhaps in europe. He is better than hazard (although obviously different styles of play so difficult to compare). So by that reasoning his price should be expected to be around 30m mark. If trying to put in a united perspective, he is as exciting a player as far as quality is concerned as Rooney was when we bought him, probably more so.
Although I may be biased, I've been excited about this lad for years and he is always the first person I buy in fm ;-)
Put it this way, if it wasn't for the release clause we wouldn't have a chance of signing him. He'd be City or Chelsea bound, so it's a relief Barça dropped the ball there.
I saw him play live on last year's pre season tour game against United. It was clear he was pretty special.
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If this happens can I have a different tagline? That's even before exploring me as one of the most cynical 'i'll believe it when I see it' posters and not being 'gullible and naive' when it comes to transfers. 
having not even gone close to being in muppet mode at all.. Probably ever.. .
edit: Unless it's to do with something completely different.. but :/ even more bizarre and confusing in any case.
having not even gone close to being in muppet mode at all.. Probably ever.. .edit: Unless it's to do with something completely different.. but :/ even more bizarre and confusing in any case.
Something like that. I guess that we would be happy to get Wilshere for that price and Thiago is both currently a better player and has a higher celing
Wilshire is not worth £35 million. Thiago is probably with about what his release clause is due to his paying time at Barca.
If this happens can I have a different tagline? That's even before exploring me as one of the most cynical 'i'll believe it when I see it' posters and not being 'gullible and naive' when it comes to transfers.
edit: Unless it's to do with something completely different.. but :/ even more bizarre and confusing in any case.
So, today is the day then? In the coming hours, eh? I'll make a brew then and get ready for another day of not breathing and blinking...
11am today, Thiagon!
I am bemused!https://www.redcafe.net/threads/thi...nd-the-contract.355208/page-187#post-13696637
Especially with this not that long ago trying to soothe the muppetry of a mate of mine that is in the newbs..
Difficult to assess how much of a steal this is until you see him play week in week out and be the main man in midfield... he's never really been given that responsibility with Barcelona. The U21's would suggest that this lad is in the £25-35m range but I'd guess after a season of watching him, he'll be rated as a massive steal and that price range might possibly be seen as conservative.
The three midfielders I really wanted were Gundogan, Wilshere and Thiago... the other two have been given the platform upon which to shine and have teams built around them, he's not had that yet. Potentially he could be the best of the three, so that gives you a fair indication of his possible price range... £15m he is certainly not.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/thi...nd-the-contract.355208/page-187#post-13696637
Especially with this not that long ago trying to soothe the muppetry of a mate of mine that is in the newbs..
Ah, don't worry. A few of us share the same tagline now. So you're not on your own.
Is that what you was told? Do you know someone that works at United?
Read the post and thought, hmm wise words and then scrolled up and saw that you've written it you old fart - so subsequently this post is now rendered void.
Stranger is him posting on this thread 191 times when he thinks it's a strange phenomena.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's all becoming clear now. I don't really know what I did to deserve it!
Caf folklore!I got mine changed to just gullible :-)Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's all becoming clear now. I don't really know what I did to deserve it!
Did you not send a PM to cider asking him if he really was WUMMING? I feel that's how you earned that title. But, I am just speculating, and that is allowed on the transfer forum :-)If this happens can I have a different tagline? That's even before exploring me as one of the most cynical 'i'll believe it when I see it' posters and not being 'gullible and naive' when it comes to transfers.
edit: Unless it's to do with something completely different.. but :/ even more bizarre and confusing in any case.
feck me, mods are on a roll changing taglines today 
Some return at least, for all the muppet work shift you put in.
Some return at least, for all the muppet work shift you put in.Mundo Deportivo saying that his next meeting with Barca could be his last one.
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130...ca-decidir-manchester-united_54376982963.html
It's a bit of a non story really as it doesn't say when this meeting is going to happen, maybe they'll add that to the story later.
They describe him as, "More outside the club than in."
It's described as one last attempt by the club to get him to stay or to ask him to state clearly that he wants to leave.
Barcelona still trying to sell the story he'll cost us more than 18m - despite the evidence of the Munich/Martinez case. It sounds like they're also trying to get him to do the Spanish equivalent of a written transfer request - that is, renounce any bonuses etc that are still outstanding from the club.
It also says that Rafinha (his brother) is going to Celta Vigo on loan, "in a matter of hours."
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130...ca-decidir-manchester-united_54376982963.html
It's a bit of a non story really as it doesn't say when this meeting is going to happen, maybe they'll add that to the story later.
They describe him as, "More outside the club than in."
It's described as one last attempt by the club to get him to stay or to ask him to state clearly that he wants to leave.
Barcelona still trying to sell the story he'll cost us more than 18m - despite the evidence of the Munich/Martinez case. It sounds like they're also trying to get him to do the Spanish equivalent of a written transfer request - that is, renounce any bonuses etc that are still outstanding from the club.
It also says that Rafinha (his brother) is going to Celta Vigo on loan, "in a matter of hours."
I think that one thing Cider got right was that we are going to sign these three players, Thiago, Strootman and Garay. Moyes starts on 1st July and his first press conference has been pencilled in for Friday 5th July. These signings have all been planned for a while, but would not be seen as Moyes signings, especially if they are completed before Moyes came in. All the reports we read about all 3 players are that Moyes has always been a supporter of their style, Moyes has been an admirer, Moyes whilst at Everton was looking to bring this player in etc.
I think the idea for Moyes first press conference is to have all 3 players introduced to the world and then would be seen then as Moyes signings and not ones planned by Fergie before he left.
I am sure all these 3 signings have been agreed in principle but with the players all being away on holiday, the 5th July suits everybody's needs, except us at redcafe who need the signings done now, like yesterday!
I think the idea for Moyes first press conference is to have all 3 players introduced to the world and then would be seen then as Moyes signings and not ones planned by Fergie before he left.
I am sure all these 3 signings have been agreed in principle but with the players all being away on holiday, the 5th July suits everybody's needs, except us at redcafe who need the signings done now, like yesterday!
Yeah, I think there's something in this.
A new manager surely wanted to look like he's in control. Not looking good if the signings were announced before he's officially at the club. Moyes first, and we'll announced the players after.
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