Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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Ok, I've been travelling for the past 3 weeks and haven't really been in this thread. Sum up what cider did? Am I to assume that there is actual substance to the rumours or is it Caf silliness?


Definite substance to the rumours. Looks a likely move unless Barca convince him to stay. All the reports seem to suggest he really wants to leave though.

Cider made a fool of those who don't know Cider very well. Probably the recently promoted newbies, like me. DICK.
 
Definite substance to the rumours. Looks a likely move unless Barca convince him to stay. All the reports seem to suggest he really wants to leave though.

Cider made a fool of those who don't know Cider very well. Probably the recently promoted newbies, like me. DICK.

I don't think Cider made a fool out of many people.

There were 2 types:

98%: People who knew what Cider was like and took it with a quarry full of salt, some played along others called him out.
2%: People that actually believed it.



Regarding the deal, I think it's basically done. We want the player, the player wants us, Barca have accepted that he wants to leave. All that needs to be done now is the official stuff to close the deal before the announcement.
 
I don't think Cider made a fool out of many people.

There were 2 types:

98%: People who knew what Cider was like and took it with a quarry full of salt, some played along others called him out.
2%: People that actually believed it.


I was in the 2%, being a recently promoted newb, unaware of what Cider's posting history is like. I believed he knew a girl in Glazer HQ :(

I feel so used.
 
This was some subtle admin WUM closing and opening the thread again like this... :lol:
 
Ok, I've been travelling for the past 3 weeks and haven't really been in this thread. Sum up what cider did? Am I to assume that there is actual substance to the rumours or is it Caf silliness?


Basically he did the old joke that's been done thousands of times, thinking it would be original, 'cool' and funny. Of course quite a few amazingly fell for it and were having a meltdown come 11 today.

My interest still leans towards Strootman a bit more. Still don't think we'll see any announcements before Moyes is officially in, which is next week on Monday. July should be a good period. I'd expect a couple of transfer announcements and then we've got our pre-season tour starting on the 13th too.
 
It's really not
Well what's the hold up if it really is as close as many believe?

The point I'm making is the deal isn't as straightforward and definite as many believe, otherwise it would've been done by now IMO.
 
I don't think Cider made a fool out of many people.

There were 2 types:

98%: People who knew what Cider was like and took it with a quarry full of salt, some played along others called him out.
2%: People that actually believed it.



Regarding the deal, I think it's basically done. We want the player, the player wants us, Barca have accepted that he wants to leave. All that needs to be done now is the official stuff to close the deal before the announcement.

Only that Cider actually just got that from news from the media reported almost 24 hours before he did.
 
Kagawa was in the bag on the 5th and it still took until 22nd to announce his transfer last year. Be patient muppets, the fruit will be sweet.
 
Article by Andy Mitten

Thiago could be a most reluctant Red

ThiagoAlcantara sauntered through Madrid’s Barajas airport in June 2011, his Spain shirt exposing two armfuls of tattoos. The eldest son of Brazil’s 1994 World Cup winner Mazinho (and formerBrazilian volleyball player Valeria), wrapped them around the European under 21 championship trophy which he’d help win in Denmark with a goal in the final.
Despite the glory, the future of the attacking midfielder who’d just turned 20 was unsure. The signing of Cesc Fabregas was imminent, but 80% of Barça fans polled said they didn’t want Fabregas if it meant stifling the progress of Alcantara. Some endorsement for a player who’d started just 14 league games, but cules had seen Thiago’s technical quality, the way he ran at defenders, dribbled and got into goalscoring positions.
Manchester United, Villarreal and Roma were waiting to swoop if they sensed Barça would sell. Coach Pep Guardiola knew the situation – Pep’s brother Pere was Thiago’s agent - and Barça offered him a four year contract extension. Guardiola declared Thiago crucial to his plans, whoever the club signed.
Those weren’t hollow words. Fabregas did join Barça, but the pair are very different – Thiago has been compared more with Xavi - and continued to flourish. After playing for Spain at every age level from 16 upwards, Thiago made his full international debut in a friendly against Italy in August 2011 and went onto start in 21 (and came on in seven more) of Barça’s 38 league games, plus 13 cup games. In short, he’d become a titular – a regular starter worthy of his number 11 shirt.
Manchester United’s European scout Martin Ferguson was a big admirer. He’d typically watch eight games a season at Camp Nou, scouting players and opponents. He really rated Thiago, but considered him an ‘ungettable’, someone essential to Barcelona’s future, someone who didn’t want to leave and whom the club didn’t want to sell. But change is constant in football.
Thiago started just 15 league games last season and he wasn’t happy with that. He feels that he should be a regular starter, something both Xavi and Iniesta managed when they’d turned 20. It hasn’t happened.
Thiago is ambitious, he wants to play in the World Cup finals next summer for Spain in Brazil, the country of his parents. He doesn’t feel he can do that starting a third of Barça’s games. He played less than 30 minutes in more than 60% of Barça’s games last season, meaning his buy out clause drops from an improbable €90 million to €18 million until August. Barca do this a lot, they tell emerging talents that they’re likely to play more than they do.
In late May, reliable sources at Barcelona claimed that United had made a move. It was interesting because while Sir Alex Ferguson, Martin Ferguson and David Gill were still in their positions, they were all about to move on. Their successors don’t start until July 1st. It’s not known how much information the Fergusons and Gill (and chief scout Jim Lawlor) have passed over to Moyes and Ed Woodward. United typically identify a dozen potential signings, of which three or four come off. Has the portfolio been passed on and is Moyes working off targets identified by those from whom he and his team are taking over?
Moyes knows about Thiago, who was scouted by Barça along with his younger brother Rafinha, a winger who plays for Barça B. The brothers moved around the world as kids following their father’s football career which culminated in his ‘rocking the baby’ celebration at USA’94.
Thiago was born in Bari, Rafinha in Sao Paulo. The brothers lived in Italy, Brazil and Vigo, where Thiago was scouted by Barça at 14. The family moved again to Catalonia, where they’ve stayed as both boys joined the Masia and progressed to first team level.
Despite an endorsement by Vincente Del Bosque, with a team full of established World Cup winners ahead of him, Euro 2012 came too soon for the 21-year-old. He would have walked into any other national side in the world, but Del Bosque chose Busquets, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso, David Silva, Fabregas, Jesus Navas, Pedro, Santi Cazorla and Javi Martinez for his midfield.
Barca don’t want to sell Thiago, nor do they need to, but he won’t be the first player to leave frustrated at the lack of football. Team-mates like Xavi and Puyol have urged him to stay, but they have the luxury of being starters. One Catalan columnist questioned why he’d choose to play United’s “vertical, fast and direct” style under Moyes, as if he can predict that Moyes will indeed play a vertical, fast and direct style.
Thiago just wants to play and, because of a release clause in his contract, could cost just £15 million – a potential bargain for a player of his quality.
The diminutive Italian-born Spaniard with Brazilian blood showed that quality as he was the star of the recent European U21 championships, when he scored a stunning hat-trick in the final against Italy.
Thiago fits United’s age/talent/price profile perfectly, but he’s never stated any desire to leave Barcelona, nor play in England.
With reliable sources claiming the deal is almost done for him to go to Old Trafford, he could be the most reluctant arrival in M16 from Camp Nou since Jordi Cruyff in 1996.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/thiago-set-most-reluctant-red-202501778.html

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Reluctant?
 
It's always easy being an outsider. If I was a fan of some other team and would have seen so many reports on all papers and websites, I would have assumed that the deal is all but done and Thiago will join United. But as fan of United, it's hard to believe.
 
Reluctant makes it seem like we're dragging him here kicking and screaming (slight exaggeration).
Didn't he say himself that his dream is not to succeed at Barca but to succeed in football? Seems like he felt early on that his path might be congested at Barcelona and accepted that he can also achieve success elsewhere?
 
He's never stated a desire to leave? Then what have the past 6 days been all about? If he didn't want to leave, he'd have said so.

Of course he wouldn't. Its all about a contract renewal, he's not going to get the one he wants if they know he has no plans to leave
 
Reluctant makes it seem like we're dragging him here kicking and screaming (slight exaggeration).
Didn't he say himself that his dream is not to succeed at Barca but to succeed in football? Seems like he felt early on that his path might be congested at Barcelona and accepted that he can also achieve success elsewhere?

Yeah, I think it's clear that he as great belief in himself and believes he can be one of the best midfielders in the world. He obviously isn't getting the chance to prove his talents, especially to the national coach, and will move on to get the best opportunity to further his career.
 
So what's the most likely date that this deal could be announced? Would be a great way for Moyes to announce himself with a couple of excellent signings.
 
I think a lot of people in the spanish media are giving it too much of a dramatic angle.
when he signed that contract at barca, am sure he must have been promised things. that is why the conditional release clauses were there. when he signed the contract, he really must have been convinced that he will be a major player for them. he clearly was not. rather than being at the confed cup, he was at the u21 tourney for spain as a result of that. he possibly is pissed off and feels let down. his father was a player and probably knows how harsh football can be, so it's important that he thinks for himself and his career.
so i feel it's simpler. he is unhappy at barca, he feels he is better than what he is able to show. And trust me that can be very frustrating. so as a professional, he wants to move. not all footballers are like beckham, neville, fabregas etc. there is no evidence for us to think that, thiago is having to go to another club and that is killing him inside.
also the way the contract must have been negotiated means that barca are not the poor victims who are resigned to lose such a talent. it is simply cause of the choices they made.
 
Well what's the hold up if it really is as close as many believe?

The point I'm making is the deal isn't as straightforward and definite as many believe, otherwise it would've been done by now IMO.


Has it even been a week since the writing on the ball thing? He's now on holiday having just come off international duty. Maybe if you stopped sitting in here all day you will realize it hasn't been long at all.
 
It might be a case of going through your whole career, wondering if you just weren't good enough to make it at Barca. If he does leave, we all know that is something that will be leveled at him by rival fans.

well he has the chance of playing the same competitions as barca and other players. if he succeeds and performs in those, he has shown that he is good enough. simple.
pogba left us to play regular football. do you think if he does well and wins things, people will doubt how he would have done at united? it will just be embarrassing for united
 
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