I think Alexis will leave, let's take him too!
Has that ever happened? A written contract guaranteeing a number of games?
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I think Alexis will leave, let's take him too!
Has that ever happened? A written contract guaranteeing a number of games?
cnuts trick that, and he will just leave the year after, or run his contract down. Remember, Thiago has 3 years left on his current deal, and his release clause goes up to 90m on the 1st of August, so barca aren't about to renew any contract with him. (I hope)
Well not exactly, but they can put a similar clause to this that they had in current contract.
Well if Thiago wants more starting minutes to increase his change of playing for World Cup next summer, he will know where will he get the better chance playing - in a squad competing with Xavi, Ineista and Fabregas (Busquets is in different role), or at a place where he will be competing with Cleverley, Anderson and Powell (Carrick is in different role).
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I'm assuming they already whispered sweet nothings into his ear last year. The situation is a year has passed, he's still not happy with the situation, and while Xavi may be rested more next season, Thiago will still be behind him, Iniesta and Fabregas, certainly for the big games. Still a big leap to decide to leave not only the club in which he grew but the country as well. But looking at the situation, it looks right for his career. Patience has not given him enough so far.
I think you have just hit the nail on the head mate. The fact that this clause is already in the contract, suggests that Thiago has previously had these concerns, but decided to give the benefit of doubt and sign. Why would he accept a new contract with the same promise?
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That's a better point, but it also shows that they may just promise Thiago what he wants, and assess the situation again next year. He probably won't fall for it again though.
I thnk they'd really love to keep him and in year or two they will see him as a key member of the team.
Give a new contract with the same clause? The only good thing from that is that they will delay the transfer for a year. Also, he will probably don't trust them to keep the word.
Yep. We don't know his feeling towards Barca, but I wouldn't rule him signing a new contract with the same or similar promises (and more wages). Of course, if he really cares about playing time, he is stupid if he simply doesn't do anything and wait for 1 August.
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No, they could again promise him what he wants and he may just believe it because of his love for the club. You seemed to be implying that his father would ask for something to guarantee it, but there's nothing that can.
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He may feel at this stage of his career he needs that guarantee. The lad seems desperate to play more games. If Barcelona can't guarantee him that, he's as good as gone.
What guarantee can they give him, except for personal reassurances?
They may just promise him what he wants, and see how things unfold over the next year.
Most definitely. I think we must've thought the same about Pogba. No player wants to wait until they 24 or 25 to be a starter though. He'll be looking at players his age or even younger like Wilshere, Oscar etc who are all starters. Or even Fabregas at Arsenal, who was one of their best players before he even got to Thiago's age. He seems desperate to be a key player. Can't knock him for that. Especially as breaking past Xaviestagas is almost impossible for any midfielder right now. I can't think of many who would play ahead of those.
I don't think Thiago is stupid. What can Barca say to him to disguise the fact that the senior midfielders are clearly still better than him, and that there are few signs of any of them going over the hill just yet, and certainly not next season? They can promise him loads of playing time if they like, but he'll know it's a lie.
In general, I'm still holding to the same position. We've got a good chance here, but nothing is going to happen until he's back from his holiday. Once he is, I expect things to move very quickly.
Course they'd love to keep him, he's a potentially brilliant player. Their problem is that he can only be a squaddie for them given the other talent at their disposal, whereas he'd be a key player for us from the off. We can likely offer him more wages and regular football for a top side. And, of course, we have Dave.
Yeah true.
It's a matter of how hard Barcelona will fight for him IMO, and I think they have reason to fight quite hard to keep him.
If he's to play for Spain then he needs to be playing the big games, not just against the likes of Osasuna or Getafe. Barca won't offer him that.
At his age he needs to be playing football regularly. I just hope he realises all this.
At his age he needs to be playing football regularly. I just hope he realises all this.
They can make a guarantee that he can leave next season for x amount of money if he doesn't play y amount of games/minutes. Similar to the current contract which they guaranteed that he can leave for 18m if he doesn't play 60% of available games for at-least 60 minutes per game. This is a more guarantee that 'we love you so much, stay with us and you will play a lot'.
That is my point though. I think they are beyond the point of promises. I think that's how they got to this point in the first place.
So your certain that they can't convince Thiago to stay?
Then it's on, what's everyone worrying about?
He said we have a good chance, which we do due to the various reasons mentioned. We're still nervous as feck it won't happen as he's a perfect Scholes replacement, and signing him seems too good to be true.
So no guarantee of what he wants then, just a guarantee that they will sell him if he doesn't get what he wants.
My point was, there's is no 'guarantee' of what he wants so you implying that his father would ask for one, was off the mark.
Cant really blame anyone, our pre-season has been dull so far.
But he's not stupid, he's not going to stay at Barcelona when there's better players than him, so he must be coming to us right?
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I agree with that. He'd be nailed on to play in the Manc and Liverpool derbies, and against Chelsea. Little chance of him being the main man in the Clasico.
A guarantee that he will not be stuck to Barca forever if he don't get playing time. That is the only written guarantee that they can write to him, but is much better than empty promises.
Why not? Maybe he's content to wait another couple of seasons to be Xavi's replacement? He's good enough and he still plays games for them at the moment, he'd just play plenty more elsewhere. He'd be stupid to believe their promises of lots of games next season though, yes.
My point was that the club may promise him what he wants to convince him to stay. You said his father would seek written reassurances that the promises are kept. I said this is not possible, and you now agree, as what Thiago wants isn't to be allowed to leave if he doesn't play the coming season, it's to play during the coming season.
There's no safeguarding against Barcelona breaking a promise that he will play more games. Would he believe that promise? That's a different question.
That's what brightonian said, that's he's not stupid and he knows he will not play next season, which is what he wants.
From that I don't think it's a stretch to conclude that Barcelona cannot convince him to stay, which means its pretty much on?
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Not really, because "which is what he wants" is a very woolly premise. If playing time is his number one concern and demands to be a regular next season, then yes they can't convince him to stay. If he'd just like that, but is willing to carry on his reserve status if he can get to that position in a couple of years, then it'll be easier to convince him. Since we don't really have an inside track on it, we can't be certain, hence all the fretting.
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