Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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It's really strange - most the Spanish press seem to be saying barca cannot re assure thiago, and it's basically a matter of time before be leaves. The English press however are trying to say he prefers to stay. Surely it should be the other way around? It's a real odd scenario.


I don't know how they can reassure him if Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas are all currently better than him, so it would be false to tell him he'll play more, because he really might not. They all just seem to .want him to be patient rather than saying "Yes, I'll pick you ahead of _____".

Reports from Spain seem to suggest he does want to leave, so I dunno where our press are getting the reports from that he wants to stay.
 
It's really strange - most the Spanish press seem to be saying barca cannot re assure thiago, and it's basically a matter of time before be leaves. The English press however are trying to say he prefers to stay. Surely it should be the other way around? It's a real odd scenario.

You sell more papers by making people anxious not the other way around.

Much of nightly news is murders, fires and injustices for old people to sit and worry about.

Build up the anxiety and then release the tension when he stays or goes.
 
So any new update or does it look as gloomy as it started to last night?
 
If we give Thiago money to pay the release clause, that money is income and is subject to taxes. If we directly put a bid to Barca and they accept it, that isn't taxed. Barca doesn't win anything if we pay taxes but they can make our lives harder.

That does not make any sense. Not contesting what you said. But if what you are saying is true, the tax law is quite silly, with a blatant loophole.
 
Aye it's safe to say we are interested but beyond that I think nobody really has a clue what his decision will be. He wants to be guaranteed games and I really don't see how Barcelona can do that with their current set of midfielders, there's probably nobody in world football who can break into that midfield week in week out.
 
So any new update or does it look as gloomy as it started to last night?


I think it looks the same as it ever did. There seem to be more stuff about him wanting to sign with us than wanting to stay, but I guess it hangs in the balance on whether or not Barca can persuade him to stay or the lure of being a starter for us is enough.
 
This reminded me of the Tevez saga few years ago when we tried to sign him, and it took ages to conclude the transfer what with his agent, West Ham and the relevant third parties involved. It practically involved the whole world
 
Aye it's safe to say we are interested but beyond that I think nobody really has a clue what his decision will be. He wants to be guaranteed games and I really don't see how Barcelona can do that with their current set of midfielders, there's probably nobody in world football who can break into that midfield week in week out.
How do you know United are interested?
 
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All this Barcelona is trying to convince him to turn around talk is daft IMO.

If they really wanted to keep him, they'd have played him in the meaningless matches.
 
All this Barcelona is trying to convince him to turn around talk is daft IMO.

If they really wanted to keep him, they'd have played him in the meaningless matches.

True, it's still very odd that they are then happy to accept £15m for him though, why not play him, bump the clause up and just sell him for £30m then? Strange situation.
 
Who cares what Barca say or do. We're signing him.
 
I doubt playing in meaningless games will appeal much to Thiago anyway. He wants to play the biggest games and Xavi will still be preferred for those games (and rightly so). I can see him becoming a regular in a couple of years but is he prepared to wait that long? The experience of playing the U21 tournaments in the last 3 years and captaining the team this time around has probably made him more eager than ever to get more game time.
 
The Manchester United and has prepared the strategy to clinch the signing of Thiago.Convinced the father of footballer sports based reasoning, the financial aspect is also considered optimal in the English club environment, which offering you an annual record 4.4 million Hispanic-Brazilian place the between the second and third step of the pay scale in the template.Regarding the transfer, the transfer, the champion of the Premier seeks contact with the club officially next week to present a firm offer.While it would be willing to deal with the 18 million euros it costs buyout Thiago (who would become 21.78 with VAT thereon), the Old Trafford club intends to negotiate the transaction between both parties. More about one aspect of image than money itself, which is held in high regard at the club. Which image is above the financial aspect explains himself that David Moyes main supporter of the Spanish-Brazilian and has already obtained the approval of your advisor? `Alex Ferguson, was in the top of the list, so indisputable, Cesc Fabregas, whose importance in England is unquestionable and whose signing the club was willing to make an extra effort. The Scot tried an approach to Catalan environment to present their project at the ManUnited and know their willingness to join it, but quickly realized the impossibility of his signing.The English club was willing to put on the table to 45 million euros by Arenys player signing but did not need to evaluate anything Barca could because Cesc made ​​clear his intention to remain in the Camp Nou. Closed this door, the new coach of the Red Devils did not hesitate to choose Thiago, who, in some sense even offers more advantages, because it is much more affordable financially and athletically, younger, has a better growth margin.


Moyes does not expect the star Thiago Manchester United next August. Input because the template roles in Old Trafford are clear and waiting to know the future, even doubtful, Wayne Rooney, it is clear that Van Persie is currently the crack team. The intention of the technician, and the base through which cleared all doubts of the father of the player, is that, earning the site from day one in training (that to promise a starting or contemplated), Thiago habitue slowly but steadily at the rate of British football, so different to the Spanish League and also the club's own schemes.
But the player's choice is precisely for being a `different what the image shows. The new United manager seduced and convinced him absolutely your nerve and determination. And also (very important fact for Moyes) the unusual maturity at 22 years shown in the field where it is so able to accept without error as a follow up without hiding. Scholes's retirement, waste paper who ventures into the eternal Giggs, the invisibility of a Fletcher suffering from ulcerative colitis has played just 20 games in two seasons and disappointment that has meant the performance of Ashley Young (for whom the United paid to Aston Villa 18 million euros in July 2011) are the others? 'definitive data to understand an operation that sources close to Moyes claim is blessed "absolute" Alex Ferguson.
http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/manchester-united-ofrece-thiago-millones-2431529
Basically the deal should be done next week, according to this.
Moyes convinced him personally to join.
Also says that our first choice was Fabregas and we were willing to pay 45m Euros for him but that enquiry was rejected.
 
Looking more likely that this will end up the same as the Sneidjer saga. Staying put.

I won't lose faith though.
 
Thiago wouldn't lie to his bezzy mate Dave. I still think there's a good chance he will sign. It's just Billy Big Bollocks Barca and their shady tactics in all this which seem to be a worry.
 
I leave this thread for one day, and suddenly everything is gloom? We're getting this guy, it's so obvious. Barca is doing their very best to stop it, but there is feck all they can do.

Thiago wants this move, his father/agent wants this move and we want it. It's a done deal. He's ours. Stop going over to the Gündogan/Strootman-threads just because a BS-tweet told you otherwise. We need to get back to figuring out which number he's going to wear, and where to put up the statue of Big Dave.
 
The Guardian are probably the only newspaper telling it how it is...that he is probably using the link with us to get a bigger salary at Barca along with assurances that he will get a certain amount of games which they will give him as they are desperate to keep him..his preference is to stay at Barca if they give him what he is looking for...its simply not going to happen...Xavi is 33 years old....Barca need Thiago to replace him in the nearish future
http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jun/21/manchester-united-barcelona-thiago-alcantara
 
Would anyone agree with the thought that Barca are trying to make Thiago look like a cnut for leaving? It's quite possible they are trying to make him stay but considering the fact the spanish press and outlets close to Barca were saying they would be listening to offers for Thiago says otherwise. They know their fans are upset about Thiago leaving. If they make it appear as if the club tried their hardest to make him stay but he still goes to us, then the fans will turn on Thiago.

I just think Barca are trying to make it difficult for us.
 
How can they make it difficult for us though, wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose of a release clause? Surely it should be a case of us going "here's the €18m, let us speak to Thiago's agent".

EDIT: Obviously eh, not quite that short winded.
 
Would anyone agree with the thought that Barca are trying to make Thiago look like a cnut for leaving? It's quite possible they are trying to make him stay but considering the fact the spanish press and outlets close to Barca were saying they would be listening to offers for Thiago says otherwise. They know their fans are upset about Thiago leaving. If they make it appear as if the club tried their hardest to make him stay but he still goes to us, then the fans will turn on Thiago.

Check my previous posts in here, its exactly what I think they're trying to do. The were several articles last month from Spain about Barcelona wanting to sell him now all on a sudden evil Manchester United is trying to steal him and he is just being impatient and lacks the desire to stay and fight to be in their team. It's all quite clever. Especially as after the Euros many of the fans would be asking 'why exactly are we selling him again?'.
 
How can they make it difficult for us though, wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose of a release clause? Surely it should be a case of us going "here's the €18m, let us speak to Thiago's agent".

EDIT: Obviously eh, not quite that short winded.
The "release clause" is a negotiation price for us since we're not a Spanish club. That is my understanding of the situation. Hunter was right. This will deal is going to require some work.
 
Check my previous posts in here, its exactly what I think they're trying to do. The were several articles last month from Spain about Barcelona wanting to sell him now all on a sudden evil Manchester United is trying to steal him and he is just being impatient and lacks the desire to stay and fight to be in their team. It's all quite clever. Especially as after the Euros many of the fans would be asking 'why exactly are we selling him again?'.
Precisely. They're covering their tracks and they will use the players accordingly as well. People who think Thiago never thought about leaving forgot about Pique and other players urging him to stay. They wouldn't have to urge him to stay if he was just trying to get a better contract :wenger:
 
The catalan press hasn't change its tune. Here's the editor of Sport explaining why selling Thiago Alcantara and buying Thiago Silva would be a good move:
http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/jos...hiago-alcantara-seria-cambio-positivo-2431209

Meanwhile Mundo Deportivo are already pointing discussion down the, "he's moving for more wages," track.

If Thiago and his family were just testing the water when this started, I would think the message is starting to look pretty clear now - "Stay if you want, go if you like."

As to why would United be trying to get Barcelona to play along rather than exercising the buyout clause. It's less hassle. It maintains friendly relations between the two clubs and between Thiago and Barca. It avoids the indignity of smuggling Thiago into a medical checkup, which at least theoretically places him in breech of contract.

And if they don't play ball we should spring the release clause before anyone else gets to him.
 
jojojo, if we do that, then doesn't that mean if the buyout clause is relevant for foreign clubs, chelsea could come in and swoop the lad?
 
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