Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound

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charlenefan said:
It's not in the clubs interest to shut any rumours down

7 into 3 certainly doesn't work though so you would imagine one of Fred or McTominay would have to make way for Thiago and no doubt the academy graduate aspect would mean McTominay would be the one the club would least like to let go, Matic just only just signed a new deal is as the one most akin to being a DM so that leaves Fred rightly or wrongly
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The club shut rumours down all the time. Messi and Jimenez recent examples. The Jimenez one we even said we were sick of being used by clubs/agents to push up prices.

I agree if we signed him Fred would be leaving. I think that’s a shame as I do think there’s a player in there. No chance he’s going on loan though. We’d need the money to fund the deal.
 
Infra-red said:
You'd really want VDB playing in Bruno's position in that lineup. We also don't have the fullbacks to make a diamond system work.
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Also, having VDB, Bruno and Pogba starting would leave us with the same issue as we currently have; making subs means a significant drop in quality. VDB is clearly, at least in the short term, meant to allow us to rotate Bruno and Pogba without dramatically weakening our offensive capabilities.
 
edcunited1878 said:
If he's going to accept a bid from United, he's going to be paid in the region of 200K pounds at least
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I'd happily pay that for him, he's in his peak. You can expect that be will command a chunky contract being his last big contract.

He's top class though and experienced beyond anybody in our squad.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Thiago is on around 200k euros with Bayern? If so that would be terribly for the balance of Liverpool's wage bill (I think only Salah is on >200k. Again, if I'm not mistaken).
 
I bet Ed gets sick of answering texts from agents/clubs about whether united are in for a player they're being linked to in the media.
 
The guy in the middle of the park at United would transform our team from a counter attacking team to a possession based team automatically. This guy reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta. Eyes at the back of his head. Doesn’t lose the ball. Recycles the ball like a fifa player. 29 years old, never relied on pace. Technically in my eyes on par with De Bryune. I’d sign him in a heartbeat.
 
paulscholes18 said:
I would take out the LCB for Sancho or Rashford and go for 3-4-3 diamond
Hendo/ DDG
AWB Maguire Shaw
Thiago
VDB Pogba
Sancho Bruno Rashford
Martial
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Finally someone agrees with me!

Even without thiago I think this is how we should play.

Mid 90s Ajax
 
arnie_ni said:
Finally someone agrees with me!

Even without thiago I think this is how we should play.

Mid 90s Ajax
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Only thing is having all those on the pitch doesn't give us any options to change things off the bench if needed
 
Davie Moyes said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/4170086/liverpool-and-thiago-seem-like-a-perfect-match-why-isnt-a-deal-happening?platform=amp

Ogden giving his view on why Thiago to pool not done yet.
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Reading that article and it’s interesting. Their board got extremely lucky with hiring Klopp because they have never put their hands in their pockets. The only time they did was when they sold Coutinho. It’s seems odd they have not strengthened for two summers now. By which point I expect some of their bigger foreign players may wish to move abroad. By standing still you allow the competition to bridge the gap.
 
I still expect Liverpool to sign him tbh. Would be quite the coup if we did but I doubt it. We do need Sancho though.
 
Liverpool are losing approximately £3m every time Anfield hosts a game behind closed doors and they, like every other Premier League club, must pay a rebate of around £20m to the league's broadcasters due to the disruption caused by COVID-19. Before a ball has even been kicked in the 2020-21 season, Liverpool are already over £30m down in terms of money they had expected to earn. That figure will climb with every Anfield fixture that is played without paying spectators, which is why a deal for Thiago remains firmly on hold, despite the need for a player of his creative talents in Klopp's squad.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...ike-a-perfect-match-why-isnt-a-deal-happening
 
sammsky1 said:
Liverpool are losing approximately £3m every time Anfield hosts a game behind closed doors and they, like every other Premier League club, must pay a rebate of around £20m to the league's broadcasters due to the disruption caused by COVID-19. Before a ball has even been kicked in the 2020-21 season, Liverpool are already over £30m down in terms of money they had expected to earn. That figure will climb with every Anfield fixture that is played without paying spectators, which is why a deal for Thiago remains firmly on hold, despite the need for a player of his creative talents in Klopp's squad.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...ike-a-perfect-match-why-isnt-a-deal-happening
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Come on Woody strike whilst the iron is hot before they can move any players to make money
 
Josep Dowling said:
Reading that article and it’s interesting. Their board got extremely lucky with hiring Klopp because they have never put their hands in their pockets. The only time they did was when they sold Coutinho. It’s seems odd they have not strengthened for two summers now. By which point I expect some of their bigger foreign players may wish to move abroad. By standing still you allow the competition to bridge the gap.
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96+ points for 2 seasons running ....their advantage is that its a massive gap!!!
 
Mainoldo said:
Yeah he can go unless he wants to be a centre back.
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Are you lot serious?. mctominay has a place in the squad more so than mate, Pereira and lingard. He's homegrown and a good player, who provides good squad depth.
 
Wedge said:
He's homegrown and a good player, who provides good squad depth.
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If Thiago comes, he will be a 7th choice in midfield (and that’s if Lingard, Pereira and Mata are all sold). Do we need McTominay as a 7th choice midfielder?

The fact that he is homegrown doesn’t influence his footballing abilities one bit. It’s Manchester United - here you must be a great player, homegrown or not
 
Wedge said:
Are you lot serious?. mctominay has a place in the squad more so than mate, Pereira and lingard. He's homegrown and a good player, who provides good squad depth.
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Lingard and Pereira are home grown too. My point was the more midfielders we get the less he plays and he’s not better than Fred. So unless he wants to play CB where they’ll be more opportunities for him. I don’t see anything wrong with what I said.
 
Alemar said:
If Thiago comes, he will be a 7th choice in midfield (and that’s if Lingard, Pereira and Mata are all sold). Do we need McTominay as a 7th choice midfielder?

The fact that he is homegrown doesn’t influence his footballing abilities one bit. It’s Manchester United - here you must be a great player, homegrown or not
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Totally agree if he has the ability he'll be fine but we need to at least give him a season or 2, he probably relishes the challenge.
 
Real Madras said:
The guy in the middle of the park at United would transform our team from a counter attacking team to a possession based team automatically. This guy reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta. Eyes at the back of his head. Doesn’t lose the ball. Recycles the ball like a fifa player. 29 years old, never relied on pace. Technically in my eyes on par with De Bryune. I’d sign him in a heartbeat.
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De Bruyne dreams of being technically on a par with Thiago, not even close.
 
Jan has no sources.

I think Bayern and United have a good relationship.

If we had any interest, we would already have a bid in.

Also, you lot are massively overestimating Thiago a lot. I like him as a player but selling Pobga for him in a depressed market is crazy talk, as are people claiming he is good as KDB. Kimmich is the best midfielder at Bayern, not Thiago.
 
Alemar said:
For sure. We will have the following options if it happens:

AM: Bruno / VDB / Pogba / Mejbri
CM: Pogba / VDB / Tiago / Fred / Mejbri
DM: Tiago / Matic / Fred

Neither room nor need for McTominay
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Matic is aging, McT can wait. Even going on loan.

Thiago is unpassable, if United can do this deal. His price is a steal. Him as a DM is brilliant!
 
djdhrubs said:
Funny how different everyone's memories are of this transfer saga. I guess we'll never know the truth, but I followed the saga a few years back very closely. What I remember is that we were about to get him but Giggs torpedoed the move because he told Moyes he 'wasn't a United player' in a meeting about transfers.

After we stalled on the move then, Pep moved for him at Bayern a few weeks later.

Of course I could be wrong.
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It is not what the newspapers said at that time. United had the money and was willing to pay the release clause of Thiago and at the last minute Moyes dithered saying that he has not seen enough of the player at that moment in time. I remember even seeing an interview of him saying something like that.
Anyway why should he listen to Giggs? He is the manager after all and did not listen to SAF and sacked the back room staff too.
 
arnie_ni said:
Finally someone agrees with me!

Even without thiago I think this is how we should play.

Mid 90s Ajax
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That does look great but I'm not sure if thiago fits the CDM role to play and cover CB from the rest.

Wan Bissaka and Shaw on either side of a CB would be beautiful to watch.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Pogba might command too much in his wages moving forward. He has a year contract extension coming up, which if activated makes him a United player through June 2022.

The club saw how they can play without Pogba for an extended period of time last year. Pogba is replaceable, believe it or not.
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Yes the club saw that without Pogba we were dithering 12 points behind top 4 until Bruno had to come in to repair some of the damage. They then watched us make up a 6 point deficit and leapfrog 3 teams in the last 9 games of the season with Pogba (playing at probably 70-80% of his full conditioning and level) in the team. Nothing we saw last season suggests selling Pogba is a good idea, quite the opposite in fact.

SinNombre said:
Jan has no sources.

I think Bayern and United have a good relationship.

If we had any interest, we would already have a bid in.

Also, you lot are massively overestimating Thiago a lot. I like him as a player but selling Pobga for him in a depressed market is crazy talk, as are people claiming he is good as KDB. Kimmich is the best midfielder at Bayern, not Thiago.
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Wholeheartedly disagree. Thiago is top 3 with Kroos and Verratti for me. They control the tempo of the game at an elite level against anyone they play against - it's what made Scholes so special for us too. Modric, Pogba and De Jong get honorable mentions but for different reasons don't make the cut to break in to my top 3 (Although Modric would have easily 1-2 years ago)

PS. I don't regard KDB as a CM thus his exclusion.
 
sammsky1 said:
Liverpool are losing approximately £3m every time Anfield hosts a game behind closed doors and they, like every other Premier League club, must pay a rebate of around £20m to the league's broadcasters due to the disruption caused by COVID-19. Before a ball has even been kicked in the 2020-21 season, Liverpool are already over £30m down in terms of money they had expected to earn. That figure will climb with every Anfield fixture that is played without paying spectators, which is why a deal for Thiago remains firmly on hold, despite the need for a player of his creative talents in Klopp's squad.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...ike-a-perfect-match-why-isnt-a-deal-happening
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I read we loose 5 million, isn't it similar to all clubs, the revenue loss
 
Quinzaine said:
Yes the club saw that without Pogba we were dithering 12 points behind top 4 until Bruno had to come in to repair some of the damage. They then watched us make up a 6 point deficit and leapfrog 3 teams in the last 9 games of the season with Pogba (playing at probably 70-80% of his full conditioning and level) in the team. Nothing we saw last season suggests selling Pogba is a good idea, quite the opposite in fact.
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If United sign Thiago and sell Pogba next year, they won't suffer as much compared to last year when Pogba was out because there is Bruno, but also VDB and Thiago. Another year of Fred and McTominay with Matic being the old head. Then reinvest any Pogba money to a CM or attacking player.
 
The 30m euros being quoted for him is worth it alone if LFC fans are forced to admit they lost out on a player they've been building up for weeks.......to us.
 
I think we will at least contact his reps to see whether he's open to the move,if his camp confirm he only wants Liverpool then at least we gave it a go
 
Alemar said:
If Thiago comes, he will be a 7th choice in midfield (and that’s if Lingard, Pereira and Mata are all sold). Do we need McTominay as a 7th choice midfielder?

The fact that he is homegrown doesn’t influence his footballing abilities one bit. It’s Manchester United - here you must be a great player, homegrown or not
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You believe Mejbri would be ahead of McTominay? Why? Mejbri not even been involved with first team training (stand to be corrected).

Also, it does count that McTominay is a homegrown talent, as each club has to have so many homegrown talents in the squad.
 
Nori- said:
The 30m euros being quoted for him is worth it alone if LFC fans are forced to admit they lost out on a player they've been building up for weeks.......to us.
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Thiago would be ahead in the pecking order than Upamecano in my opinion too, Since although a CB is needed, having Thiago, VDB, Bruno, Pogba, Matic in a midfield as options and then Sancho, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford up top as options would be one of the best midfields and attacks in world football.

In the following window (summer) adding a player for the defence (Upamecano) would prove useful.

Securing Thiago for 4 years is better in the long run, not allowing him to go to a rival.

Although if Smalling, Rojo, Lingard, Mata, Pereira can be moved on for nominal fees and taken off the wage books then all 4 signings could be done.

As some have pointed out Fred going out 'on loan' means his wages would be covered, and it means someone like Thiago is coming in, or he wouldn't be going out on Loan.

Luckily Uniteds revenue isn't as dependent on Match Day revenue like the other clubs which is why I think United will get Sancho, VDB + a CB/Midfielder before any outgoings, if there are the outgoings we all hope for, I think all 4 will be done.
 
I reckon once we find a pot to piss in, we'll offer it to Bayern and see if they go for it.
 
I think it’s a lot of media hype personally. He doesn’t fit in with the profile of what ole is looking for. Couple that with the midfield we have at the moment and it’s not entirely clear how we would get the most out of him. He would arguably Work best alongside mctominey. You can’t play him in the holding role without hard working, defensively able players next to him I think. Thiago can’t cover the ground well enough on his own which means you sacrifice either pogba or Bruno.

if you played that 3 in midfield you would need better/ more offensively minded full backs too. Which we currently don’t have.

DVB would be the wrong signing if ole was really thinking about Thiago I think.

The truth is he will fit much better in at liverpool, though arguably he is the wrong age for them even (Henderson /wijnaldum are not getting younger). Be class for a season or two I’d imagine though.
 
red thru&thru said:
You believe Mejbri would be ahead of McTominay? Why? Mejbri not even been involved with first team training (stand to be corrected).
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I believe that given McTominay is 7th in pecking order (with Thiago), he is surplus to requirements - hence Mejbri appears instead
 
Park's Petrified Pooch said:
I can’t get behind this opinion. We’ve had a non-functional right side of our attack for around 7 years now. Thiago would be an upgrade at DM. VDB is arguably depth for all three midfield positions. Both would be solid additions.
However, we would still be a mess down the right, and would have only improved out starting 11 by a small amount. Sancho is critical to a balanced attack, some unpredictability in our patterns of play.
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It’s a flip of a coin. I understand the issue at RW and have also been desparare for It to be addressed. My worry though is how far we drop off when we replace the starting 11 with players like Pereira, Lingard, Mata...and to a lesser extent Fred and McT who just don’t offer any creativity. We literally fall off a cliff. So much so that OGS basically refuses to make subs in games.
 
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