I know eh, just got shrugged off like a little bitch. He should have been helping his dad anyway and sticking his boot in the other feckers face.
Television The Walking Dead
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The problem for the show is they won't keep everyone happy. I've heard plenty of complaints about it in the past that they don't focus on the supporting characters much until they're about to die....then they give them a whole episode before killing them off which is lazy writing. Now it seems like they are trying to build some stories and it still annoys people. I think Carl's was a poor story line and isn't interesting at all, the other 2 though I don't think are that bad really (there's also Daryl as well with that guy.)
I think the writing has improved, the episode wasn't the best I'd agree but if you watched the previous 3 and that back to back people would be more forgiving of it I'd imagine. They can't all be fast paced and it sets it up well for next weeks finale. I like how they're developing flaws in characters such as Rick, his actual message was spot on but the delivery of it was awful which made him look like he'd lost the plot, it's more interesting than a clean cut leader who does nothing wrong, in that kind of environment someone to be whiter than white and "perfect" just isn't plausible especially when they have seen as much as Rick etc have seen.
I'd guess in the series finale he is kind of proven right. They do seem naive to the outside world and it's setting it up for that to be the case.
I think an episode like this just before the season finale was almost inevitable. They've had some really good self-contained episodes, but while balancing so many characters, they had to lay a few breadcrumbs in terms of where some of the story threads are going to go in the final episode next week. I just hope whoever these new writers are (I'm assuming they're new because the last 4 or so episodes are almost like a different show, in the best possible way) they keep them on for the next season. I've never really understood all the Carl hate but when he was given something a little interesting this week it was pretty clear he really has very little acting talent so I'm now joining the "please kill Carl" brigade. If nothing else to make sure we keep mad Rick. Mad Rick is always the best Rick. Although, considering what he's been through, seen and done, it was all a little convenient that some drunk who has done nothing braver or more hardcore than beat his wife managed to hold his own against serial killer Rick.
I was half expecting Rick to snap the guys neck at the end there. He's gone from mildly simmering over, to full on postal in about 3 days.
The writers are really turning this into Game Of Thrones. First Noah's death. Then Rick tries to do an Oberyn on the doctor and finally we end the episode like Theon's great battle speach 
The writers are really turning this into Game Of Thrones. First Noah's death. Then Rick tries to do an Oberyn on the doctor and finally we end the episode like Theon's great battle speach
All the newspaper reviews keep making Game of Thrones comparisons. Makes me think I should give Game of Thrones a try!
The episode before last was one of the grimmest I can remember on the gore front. Noah's death was especially nasty (though widely anticipated).
The best thing about this series by a country mile has been watching Rick's descent into a kill first ask questions later lunatic. He's on the edge, and that makes him compulsive viewing. The scene in the church in episode 3 where he slaughtered the cannibals was bloody brilliant.
The best thing about this series by a country mile has been watching Rick's descent into a kill first ask questions later lunatic. He's on the edge, and that makes him compulsive viewing. The scene in the church in episode 3 where he slaughtered the cannibals was bloody brilliant.
He's gone from being quite a tedious one-note character from previous seasons to actually being one of my favourite television characters. Just the fact that he suggested, without any hint of turmoil or confusion - to a woman who was standing over the grave of her dead son - that the only option to deal with domestic abuse was to kill the perpetrator, it really made a statement.
I dont mind Michonne but really dislike Sasha. Theres nothing to be sympathetic about over her even though she lost Bob and her brother.
I do wonder what the branding of the Walkers (and of course people being tied up and gutted) is related to, whos doing it, etc?
Carol, Rick, Michonne, and sometimes Daryl are characters that are ok/good.. Rosita and Abraham I dont mind. The rest just dont act like people who are in a situation. Kinda wish Glenn was still like he was in season1 but bit more badass rather than emo and then sometimes badass.
Anyway, as everybody has said, it seems like the change in direction last 3-4 episodes have been good and hopefully it continues with the finale (which they normally go all out for) and then the new series.
I do wonder what the branding of the Walkers (and of course people being tied up and gutted) is related to, whos doing it, etc?
Carol, Rick, Michonne, and sometimes Daryl are characters that are ok/good.. Rosita and Abraham I dont mind. The rest just dont act like people who are in a situation. Kinda wish Glenn was still like he was in season1 but bit more badass rather than emo and then sometimes badass.
Anyway, as everybody has said, it seems like the change in direction last 3-4 episodes have been good and hopefully it continues with the finale (which they normally go all out for) and then the new series.
All good points. I would only add that Daryl had bigger impact on the group back then while the show is letting us know clearly that it's all about Rick which sometimes is not a bad thing. From the time Glenn met Maggie his inner badass has been constantly reducing almost to a soap opera level. Has to be said, indeed.
Carl is truly irrelevant and a show killer. He executed his mother and that was pretty much all of his development. Pointless character stealing time from characters like Maggie who exposed the the priest which may have huge impact on the rest of story line and could make the recent episode way more interesting.
Glenn's hard man speeches are just so pathetic, he's a terrible character now. And as said above, how did Rick nearly get his arse handed to him by a drunk? Plus that shocking edit right at the end were he suddenly has a drastically clean(er) face after it being totally covered for the entire speech really was jarring
But yeah overall it's been far better recently, long may it continue!
But yeah overall it's been far better recently, long may it continue!
They (writers/producers) just need to make sure it doesn't become purely the Rick show. Even Carol and Daryl are slipping into the background at the moment, and the finale only ever works when you have that punch to the gut death or two. Currently Rick's the only one I'd kick off about if they got rid of him (it'll never happen). Whereas go back ten episodes and I'd have flipped my lid if Daryl, Carol, Glyn or Michonne bought it. I'm assuming it'll all revolve around the priest and they'll probably save the W stuff as a cliffhanger.
TWD is a long way from GoT's league. You should definitely give it a try, binge-watch the first few episodes though to really get into it.
Maybe they will remember... Morgan lol
I don't think the new writers have seen those episodes! Or maybe that W they keep finding was actually scratched into their heads the other way up and is M for Morgan!
Glenn's hard man speeches are just so pathetic, he's a terrible character now. And as said above, how did Rick nearly get his arse handed to him by a drunk? Plus that shocking edit right at the end were he suddenly has a drastically clean(er) face after it being totally covered for the entire speech really was jarring
But yeah overall it's been far better recently, long may it continue!
No reason he shouldn't have got his arse handed to him, he's not exactly Bruce Lee. The governor absolutely tore him a new one. I like that they haven't made Rick this expert in hand to hand combat for absolutely no logical reason. I just wish they would stop making everyone such ridiculously good shots. They'll have Sasha jumping from her little tower whilst 360 quickscoping an army of zombies before this season is over.
The important thing to remember is that when confronted with zombies coming at you - not from every direction mind - make sure you manage to completely lose your bearings as soon as possible and keep spinning around, attacking random zombies and ensuring you are as vulnerable as you can possibly be, against what is an extremely slow moving threat with no coordination or strategy.
I think the most significant event that happened in the evolution of Rick's character was when he cracked a machete on a prison inmates head at the start of season 3. His bullshit tolerance has pretty much been zero since then. What we've seen since is the evolution of his capacity to really quite enjoy a little bit of ultra-violence. Sometimes the recipients are deserving - Carl's would be rapist or the cannibals - but others far less so, like when he ran down the copper. The show would be dead on its arse without him and needs to build up some equally compelling support characters, as I think has already been said.
Most importantly, thank the lord Rick's clean-shaven face has gone already and he's looking dishevelled again. Rick's beard was my second favourite character in the show. And has far more of an acting range and more complex character arc than Carl.
I can't believe they didn't make out of them returning with the news her son and Noah were dead. That would surely have been more interesting than the early teen romance story line that I couldn't give a feck about quite frankly.
Sasha's meltdown is doing my head in and all. At least Rick's meltdown was interesting. She's just being a whiney fecker.
Sasha's meltdown is doing my head in and all. At least Rick's meltdown was interesting. She's just being a whiney fecker.
"She's hunting them!"
Yeah because they have 0 reaction to a zombie getting shot right next to them and arent even turning around. Judith could hunt them under those conditions
Yeah because they have 0 reaction to a zombie getting shot right next to them and arent even turning around. Judith could hunt them under those conditions
Yep I agree, I wasn't entirely serious. Though they've kind of made wimpy Glenn into a martial arts expert. Racism?
But yeah, the headshots are still the worst. Other than Carl's acting and Rick's missing beard
When the girl said to Carl 'good, you're afraid of me too' he should have slipped a finger in and said 'no I'm not.'
Glenn's 'hard man' speeches are hilarious. He just can't impose himself so comes across as being so fake and weird. I guess Rick struggled with Pete physically because the guys is probably 5 or 6 inches taller than him with more weight.
Slow episode until the end. Shame that Michonne did that just as the Ricktatorship was starting back up.
The W has already been hinted at in this season. If you remember Noah's community. Graffiti on the walls.
What that 'W' is pointing towards is bloody obvious
George Bush is coming y'all!
So I watched every episode of The Walking Dead when it first came out until I finally gave up after the 2nd or 3rd episode in Season 4. Just thought that it got too ridiculous and was pretty happy with myself that I did so, especially when I popped into this thread and others had complained that Season 4 got continually worse. Now, a buddy of mine has told me that Season 5 has been great and I should give it another go. Would really like to hear what you all think. Am I missing out? Do I need to watch Season 4 or should I just start off from Season 5? FWIW, I enjoyed Seasons 1 & 2 and thought the show jumped the shark while at the prison in Season 3 but was still watchable. First couple episodes of Season 4 were unbearable.
It's hard to say, it's like being stuck on a fairground ride that's broke and won't stop. It keeps repeating itself and you're so sick you're in no position to judge how good the ride is or was anymore. I think you got off at the right time.
I actually think binge watching this show would help as you dont have to dwell on the crap and you will remember the few good bits.
Most the middle of season 4 is the worst part of the show in my opinion. I reckon you could skip all of it except the last 1 and a half episodes and not miss anything. Season 5 has been one of the better seasons they've done though, especially the second half of it. It is very tedious at times...I think it depends on what else you watch, a lot of people now would either be watching or have watched something like GoT, Breaking Bad, The wire, Sopranos etc and it's no way near the quality of them but it's easy to watch at the same time if you do take it for what it is.
Anybody else think Rick's preaching will be proved right?
A couple of comments have been made about how there are a lot more zombies than normal lately. Lots of the zombies seem to have "w" on their heads and with the woman being tied to the tree, I can only assume there are some nasty people about that are intentionally sacrificing people and/or creating zombies.
I think an attack on the town could be imminent, which will set Rick's group up as heroes and/or leaders in the aftermath.
A couple of comments have been made about how there are a lot more zombies than normal lately. Lots of the zombies seem to have "w" on their heads and with the woman being tied to the tree, I can only assume there are some nasty people about that are intentionally sacrificing people and/or creating zombies.
I think an attack on the town could be imminent, which will set Rick's group up as heroes and/or leaders in the aftermath.
Was it just me that said out loud: "Shut the fck up!" in Rick's voice when Michonne whacked Rick?
Have to admit that I was slightly thrown by that ending. I thought Michonne's flashbacks earlier on had suggested she was going back to her old ways, realising the necessity of that side of her and almost revelling in a sense of bloodlust that she was missing. But the final punch would contradict that.
I saw this didn't pay much attention to it because I assumed it was in reference to something to do with the comics which I know nothing about.
Maybe she recognised that knocking out Rick was a necessary evil given the situation - and combined both her past and current perspective to realise it's better to not just go all out without thought but to plan your move strategically
Nothing to do with the comics whatsoever.
Not strictly true but I know comic book talk here is banned (and I only know what I've read in reviews of the episodes from people who have read the comics who definitely suggest this links to them).
Something new to me then, cool.