around this time last year, most of these idiots thought RVN was gona be shite.
f*cking hypocrites.
f*cking hypocrites.
i posted as Plxix before, then lost my PW.
and what does Liverpool got to do with it? this is not f*cking Liverpool.
the fact is, that the British media jumped on Veron in his first and difficult season. the last thing he needs are the fans to turn their backs on him.
and what does Liverpool got to do with it? this is not f*cking Liverpool.
the fact is, that the British media jumped on Veron in his first and difficult season. the last thing he needs are the fans to turn their backs on him.
Why is it you lot claim Veron has been played a head of a "better " Scholes when even the OPTA index results clearly show that behind Pires, Veron is the second best attacking midfielder in the Prem, even with his bad season, with Scholes fourth in the United ranks. With Becks and Giggs ahead of him. Eh?
I think this ranting about Veron is becoming a tard too hypocritical. If You wanna slag Veron? Start off with Scholes' lousy season and don't give us the excuse of being played out of position. In 99 he started in the hole before Yorke came and he didn't have a lousy season did he?
I think this ranting about Veron is becoming a tard too hypocritical. If You wanna slag Veron? Start off with Scholes' lousy season and don't give us the excuse of being played out of position. In 99 he started in the hole before Yorke came and he didn't have a lousy season did he?
thanks kemo. finally someone to show some light on the matter.
poor Scholesy...he was played out of position
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and Butt did well but, wasn' he injured a lot?
Becks got hurt, and had time off..
Giggsy & Keano too.
Stam's god damn book.
amongst the other many things but hey, Scholes and Butt ownz!! and it's that simple <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
poor Scholesy...he was played out of position
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and Butt did well but, wasn' he injured a lot?
Becks got hurt, and had time off..
Giggsy & Keano too.
Stam's god damn book.
amongst the other many things but hey, Scholes and Butt ownz!! and it's that simple <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
We should be worrying about Silvestre's constant moaning and pissing about, disrespecting the manager. How can he not be happy being a starter for Man Utd?
He shows signs of not being happy playing for this club and actively seeks a move away. Veron hasn't, he has simply stated that he may one day find himself back at Lazio, moreover he has said he wants to stay, despite playing in all sorts of positions. Yet Silvestre is a fan fave and Veron is enemy number one.
He shows signs of not being happy playing for this club and actively seeks a move away. Veron hasn't, he has simply stated that he may one day find himself back at Lazio, moreover he has said he wants to stay, despite playing in all sorts of positions. Yet Silvestre is a fan fave and Veron is enemy number one.
"As for selection, thats up to Fergie, and it doesnt matter who starts because as I said - they are all capable of good and bad, its impossible to predict how they will play."
Well said, who would know better or wanted better for United than SAF. If Veron was picked more than Butt or Scholes because SAF thought so, or if it had been another way around, I'm OK with that. United are not invincible, we can not win the league every f_cking year. We had a poor season by our standard, but losing is just a part of the game. As sad and unfulfilled as it is, we shouldn't be pointing fingers, but look to the better future.
Quite typical of "some" English fans really, over-criticizing or praising things, and finding scapegoats.
"even the OPTA index results clearly show that behind Pires, Veron is the second best attacking midfielder in the Prem, even with his bad season, with Scholes fourth in the United ranks"
I like this!!! Facts and not just opinion. Also, if I'm not mistaken, according to ManUtd website, Veron was voted somnething like 2nd most popular players of the season. So, come on, criticising Veron as some of you may do, we still know that a majority of the fans are still behind our players.
Well said, who would know better or wanted better for United than SAF. If Veron was picked more than Butt or Scholes because SAF thought so, or if it had been another way around, I'm OK with that. United are not invincible, we can not win the league every f_cking year. We had a poor season by our standard, but losing is just a part of the game. As sad and unfulfilled as it is, we shouldn't be pointing fingers, but look to the better future.
Quite typical of "some" English fans really, over-criticizing or praising things, and finding scapegoats.
"even the OPTA index results clearly show that behind Pires, Veron is the second best attacking midfielder in the Prem, even with his bad season, with Scholes fourth in the United ranks"
I like this!!! Facts and not just opinion. Also, if I'm not mistaken, according to ManUtd website, Veron was voted somnething like 2nd most popular players of the season. So, come on, criticising Veron as some of you may do, we still know that a majority of the fans are still behind our players.
The reality is that we need to sell him ASAP since his stock has been plummeting over the past 12 months. Duff would be fantastic. It would allow us to both offset Giggsy's injuries as well as sub DD in as a AM or to replace Scholes.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Why is it you lot claim Veron has been played a head of a "better " Scholes when even the OPTA index results clearly show that behind Pires, Veron is the second best attacking midfielder in the Prem,
You seem to use
Quite frankly, unless Scholes - or Butt - became totally inept at the game, I would always choose them over Veron. They are both local lads, who are United fans as well as United players. What they have for the club wouldn't cost 28 million, because you can't put a price on it.
Livvie, you are wasting your breath.!
Its a dance of death to argue whether Barthez vs Arsenal cost us the title any more than Veron vs Middlesbrough ! Too many top class players underperformed in too many key games, and if the same happens again next season we'll get the same result. I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting that Veron had a good season, whatever the OPTA stats say.
We used to argue about who was best, not who was most to blame, and Fergie has previously been ruthless in dealing with underachievers. My guess is we will need to sell someone to fund the bids for top flight defenders, so the "Veron is a United player and we are not allowed to criticise him" attitude won't fly.
The question is which of last year's underachievers is first to go, and how much patience Fergie will show to JSV...even if he stays he'll need to make a serious impact early doors or he'll go the same way as Stam.
We used to argue about who was best, not who was most to blame, and Fergie has previously been ruthless in dealing with underachievers. My guess is we will need to sell someone to fund the bids for top flight defenders, so the "Veron is a United player and we are not allowed to criticise him" attitude won't fly.
The question is which of last year's underachievers is first to go, and how much patience Fergie will show to JSV...even if he stays he'll need to make a serious impact early doors or he'll go the same way as Stam.
Are you a United supporter.???
yes. hence why i will back a United player, not bash him.
Angel had a rough 1st seaon at Villa, and look at him now. he thanked the fans for it. the least we could do is back Veron, not becoming a bunch of media brainwashed gossiping twits.
yes. hence why i will back a United player, not bash him.
Angel had a rough 1st seaon at Villa, and look at him now. he thanked the fans for it. the least we could do is back Veron, not becoming a bunch of media brainwashed gossiping twits.
Ole was the 2nd most accurate striker in the world last year, behind Martin Max of 1860 Munich. His strike to goal ratio is better than everyone except Max, and his goals to match ratio was comparable with the likes of Ruud and Owen. His only crime is that he's been typecast as a sub for all these years, which makes it hard for some to give him his due credit as a world class striker.
thanks kemo. finally someone to show some light on the matter.
poor Scholesy...he was played out of position
and Butt did well but, wasn' he injured a lot?
Becks got hurt, and had time off..
Giggsy & Keano too.
Stam's god damn book.
amongst the other many things but hey, Scholes and Butt ownz!! and it's that simple
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But its something we're gonna have to give before we take.
no shiete. tell that to most of 'em twats around here..
no shiete. tell that to most of 'em twats around here..
Well I came in this post near the end and without going back through everything I can only say that all I saw Livvie doing was supporting United players that were being blamed for last season. Like I said before it's a team and I support my team players, eh Livvie.
i know. sad.
Good one.!
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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I dont want to attack youy comments but your love for Ole is hypocritical with what you said. Ole has as much love for Man Utd as most players it seems, despite supporting Liverpool and being from Norway. Cantona loved this club more than any player I've seen. Love is not bound by geography.
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And if you read my post carefully, you'll see I haven't exactly slagged off Veron inasmuch as I haven't said he's rubbish.
My whole argument is based on the fact that since he has been at Manchester United, he has not achieved any more than any other player, and a good deal less than some, and yet he is hyped as a God.
I also don't happen to think that the majority of Latin players adapt as well to the British game as Northern Europeans do.
We keep being told that Veron is world-class. Well he has some world-class moments, but I didn't see the consistency of a world-class player last year.
I haven't even suggested that he should be sold. But my opinion is that with Keane, Beckham, Scholes, Butt and Giggs, we have a perfectly good midfield, and if Veron is staying at Manchester United, he will have to adapt to our style of play, rather than the other way round. As much as we may not like to admit it, Veron's style doesn't suit Manchester United, and in order for it to do so, other players would have to change, and I wouldn't want to see that happen.
And when Veron starts to perform, of course everyone will be cheering him. When he starts to perform, he'll deserve it.
OGS isn't really abused on here tho is he?
Its often a case of you being over protective cos he's your favourite player
Its often a case of you being over protective cos he's your favourite player
Livvie, the fact is that you are a United supporter and thats how you see it. The fact is that we all believe in our players and to a certain degree stand by them. I can see your points of arguments in that Veron is not a bad player just that some bandwaggoners seem to blame one partiular player for something or other, it then becomes a pissing contest as to who is better than who or who should shoulder the blame for failure.
If you took every players performance and disected it I could find a fault with every player. A missed shot, a bad tackle, being out of position etc. etc. They will at some time or other have indifferent games. Get behind the team and support them or go support someone else.
I often during a game cuss and swear at a players mistakes, but I will continue to support him and the team until Fergie decides to change things.
To be honest there are far to many topics in this forum. If Becks catches cold then there is a topic on it. People just love to pull our team and managers to bits. They are all wannabe managers, well go and do it if you are that good, then we shall see what you are like.
If you took every players performance and disected it I could find a fault with every player. A missed shot, a bad tackle, being out of position etc. etc. They will at some time or other have indifferent games. Get behind the team and support them or go support someone else.
I often during a game cuss and swear at a players mistakes, but I will continue to support him and the team until Fergie decides to change things.
To be honest there are far to many topics in this forum. If Becks catches cold then there is a topic on it. People just love to pull our team and managers to bits. They are all wannabe managers, well go and do it if you are that good, then we shall see what you are like.
I have to say that in this matter, I agree fully with Livvie who feels that Veron, being a 28m signing gets a lot of attention, gets into the team whether he plays badly or not, ahead of Scholes and Butt who love the club much more than Veron seems to. Veron does not play with the determination and does not give his best - he rarely gets back and tackles. OGS on the other hand maybe a foreign player but he loves Utd. and there is no doubt about it and he plays with determination and an effort which shows his love for the club. He has the quality - 25 goals in one season speaks for itself. Yet, he is often left out of the team and does not get so much attention from the fans. Veron was a big star before coming to Utd. and hence everyon loves him or claim to at least.