its ridiculous - you will now find Vaccines being thrown away, or perhaps worse people being turned down, because it involves opening a new vial, with no prospect of being able to administer the remaining vaccines.
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its ridiculous - you will now find Vaccines being thrown away, or perhaps worse people being turned down, because it involves opening a new vial, with no prospect of being able to administer the remaining vaccines.
Yeah. What a gowl.
WTF is a gowl? I like it though.
Irish slang. Think it’s from Limerick. Means a twat. In every sense of the word!
Gowl in a common saying in Cork too, as is langer.
Much used too as there are a fair amount of Dubs down there.
Much used too as there are a fair amount of Dubs down there.
Well i am in a bit of dilemma right now, tomorrow i should report my parents and put them on the list for vaccination ( 65 and 71 years old ). Both of them far from being healthy healthy. Problem is, at first they wanted Russian one, turns out they cant get that one due their age and now here is a kicker, seems there is no immidate option but to sign them up for Chinese one. Not gonna lie, Synopharm or w/e the feck name is, looks scuffed. Pf/Moderna seems not an option at the moment.
They pushing to get a vaccine, i am not gonna try to stop them but not feeling with ez right now.
They pushing to get a vaccine, i am not gonna try to stop them but not feeling with ez right now.
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All approved vaccines are safe. Their instincts are correct. Get them vaccinated with whatever is available ASAP as the risk of getting vaccinated is far far smaller than the risk of not being vaccinated.
My biggest concern is level of protection, containing my dad for last year or so was such a pain the ass, attitude of not taking it 100% serious and i knew that if he brings it back at their home, he might stand a chance but doubt my mom would survive it. I just know the moment he gets his shot and shit, he will go full Rambo mode.
Either way, thank you for reply.
He really needs to assume there is no protection until at least 2 weeks after the 2nd shot (assuming there are 2) and as he is older preferably a week (or 3 longer) as immunity will likely build more slowly. Lay it on thick - tell him he could kill your mum unless he behaves responsibly and you will never forgive him if that happens.
There is a poster on here who had an elderly relative die after getting their first shot when immunity hadn't developed yet.
A bit more on the SA variant and the mRNA vaccines. Again consistent with the idea that previous infection with the original SAR2 isn't protective against the SA strain, and that the vaccines see their efficacy fall (at least against mild/moderate disease)
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A bit more on the SA variant and the mRNA vaccines. Again consistent with the idea that previous infection with the original SAR2 isn't protective against the SA strain, and that the vaccines see their efficacy fall (at least against mild/moderate disease)
Good to see further confirmation that the UK variant is vaccine sensitive, I guess.
The B.1.351 variant is going to be a real problem though.
15 million+ vaccinated (first dose)in the UK. Say what you want about the governments response to covid but that is excellent work on the vaccine front. Making the Irish government look like absolute clowns.
It's happening here, although nobody been convicted but been a little uproar. e.g. the Cheltenham players/staff who got vaccinated. Been a few complaints that there is no clear policy on what to do, some GPs and centres have been throwing out doses. Some have been liberal and offered them out for people who can get to GP within the time period.
Hopefully, for the guy in texas, a decent judge throws out the case.
Yeah I have friends who are massively low down on the priority list who have been vaccinated because of that. Officially or unofficially, the government have seemingly agreed that ordinary staff at vaccination hubs can be vaccinated with left over stock.
So hang around at a vaccination hub at closing and you might get lucky?
If matures are your thing then sure.
Just got confirmation for my first jab on Thursday.
That’s lovely data. So encouraging to see. Although I’d quibble with his final bullet point. Just look at the historical data. Been a number of similar bumps that end abruptly (e.g. Oct-Nov last year). It’s the really sharp prolonged descent that treads new ground. And that will definitely include immunity as a result of both doses, seeing as it accelerates from about a week after the second doses are rolled out.
Forgive me for being a complete thick but how is that graph good?
Its only showing that the age of people in hospital is declining? Or am I missing something.
Is there another line for hospital admissions and actual cases?
It’s showing that the vaccinations are working because older people have been vaccinated and therefore are not being admitted for serious symptoms
Really hope we don't Lose momentum now that we've hit that first target.
Agreed. You can't say there is no impact of the second dose in that data. Bloody brilliant that it seems to be working really well for the elderly.
That graph looks fantastic. Early days yet, but this must be up there with one of the most effective vaccines ever surely? Given it’s only taken a year, this is probably one of, if not, mankind’s greatest achievements for the past 50 years at least. It does give me some hope that we’ll be able to find a solution for climate change.
Australia has just given full approval to the Oxford vaccine. If the reports are correct we are going to space the 2 shots 12 weeks apart.
Just got a call to book me in for the first injection on Saturday morning 
Got my first shot appointment for the 28th. Not gonna lie, Im a little worried about it(anxiety issues). Being that Im 40 I didnt think Id be on the list to get one any time soon and had hoped to not be offered one until next year so I could see how it all plays out and maybe get a choice of which vaccine to get.
Has anybody else seen this link where you can sign up for the vaccine? Supposed to be for 'frontline' workers or anybody that lives with NHS/Carers. Half my family tried it and actually managed to get the vaccine yesterday, no questions asked.
That’s a weird turn of phrase. “If we need to”. Why the hell wouldn’t you need to?!?
My mum got her first vaccination (Pfizer) on Saturday there (she's 65), in and out in less than half an hour. The staff at the Ulster Hospital in Belfast were getting everyone to sit for 15 minutes after getting jabbed in case there was any immediate reaction. Other than a sore arm and feeling a wee bit under the weather for a couple of days she's had no side affects.
My mum got her's on Saturday morning too. Her arm wasn't that sore and didn't get any symptoms. She did report a weird feeling of ants climbing up her spine and running around inside her head for a few minutes on Sunday but nothing else.
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I saw a couple of articles about people getting reinfected with the SA variant.. and that the vaccines might be less effective against it..
And other articles saying they dont expect the virus to go away, ie, cases go down to 0.. most people will have some level of immunity to it and we'll have to live with it.
A couple of questions..
1) how much of a concern is it in the short term? and
2)What is the likelihood of something like this (a worse version of the SA variant) starting the whole thing all over again in the future.. 2-3 years from now..
And other articles saying they dont expect the virus to go away, ie, cases go down to 0.. most people will have some level of immunity to it and we'll have to live with it.
A couple of questions..
1) how much of a concern is it in the short term? and
2)What is the likelihood of something like this (a worse version of the SA variant) starting the whole thing all over again in the future.. 2-3 years from now..
Death and hospitalisation levels should drop significantly in the short, and long, term. So basically live with this and all variants like the flu.
Unchecked concerns in the short term will be long covid, with or without vaccination, which no doctor has a fecking clue about yet. That information will be available by end of this year or next year. This still scares me. I am the only breadwinner and I can't afford to have brain fog rendering me useless for 6+ months.
We can only pray vaccination helps with lessening the risks of that too. But no one actually knows.
Short answer to 1) and 2) is nobody knows.
It’s not unexpected for mutations to cause the virus to become resistant to neutralising antibodies. And we’re seeing this with the SA variant. That involves tests in the lab against a predefined sample of antibodies targetting a specific part of the virus (monoclonal).
When you become immune you actually generate a whole host of antibodies targeting loads of different parts of the virus (polyclonal). A much wider range than has been identified and tested in the lab. Plus you use other elements of the immune system, such as T cells. So there’s always been a hope that even if you see resistance using in vitro tests the immunity you get in practice might be a bit more persistent.
Hence, it was slightly surprising (and more than slightly depressing) to read about South African patients catching this new variant despite prior infection and vaccines not working as well on them. It shows that this new strain is better at evading an in vivo immune response than we’d hoped. It’s still possible that this limited immune response won’t stop you getting sick but might stop you getting very sick. Which would be great. But we don’t have enough data to know if this is the case.
So it’s definitely possible you could get new variants that are even better at evading vaccination and make people just as sick as though they were never vaccinated. From listening to a bunch of experts the consensus seems to be that this is unlikely. Because the virus mutates relatively slowly and it takes a lot of bad luck to get a mutation as significant as this SA variant, so hopefully lightning won’t strike twice. But nobody knows for certain. Which sucks but there you go.
The people that run the covid centres work a standby list and do pretty well at making sure that all opened vials get used.
I watched some BBC thing on YouTube about how the UK government invested in vaccine developers very early on, before any trials were conducted in most cases. Someone involved with the investment program said that they could easily have been in a position now where none of the vaccines they invested in where of any use, and half expected to be seeing some newspaper story about the waste of government money in failed vaccines around now. So they get incredibly lucky that 2 of 8 they invested in are approved and 4 of the others have had good trials and are on an approval path. It could have been different, so I don't think they're making anyone luck foolish.
But the numbers vaccinated are definitely impressive. Looking forward to eventually getting one and try and get back to normality.
UK's vaccine campaign has been nothing short of spectacular. Credit where credit is due, good job Boris.
Anyone heard of a vaccine called COVID Shield or something? What's that one about?