RedDevilQuebecois
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Received my booster last Sunday. I'm also lucky that I haven't caught the virus so far despite one or two close calls.
Last I read a few days ago the UK government was still against the fourth dose of the vaccine.
My father has just been contacted by his GP's office and booked in for a fourth jab. He had cancer a few years ago and although he wasnt on the vulnerable list for dose 1 and 2, he was early to get the 3rd jab.
So did the government change their mind? Is the GP getting paid per dose?
There's more than enough cases in the vaccinated countries for variant production. It has been a boring mantra, with little basis on reality, from WHO for a while. Also African countries are wasting 100s of millions of doses through their own incompetence and lack of demand.
https://sports.yahoo.com/more-100-million-covid-19-120339141.htmlNo. Happy to be proven wrong. But that’s very wrong I think. Thousands, yes. Hundreds of millions, no.
https://sports.yahoo.com/more-100-million-covid-19-120339141.html
Maybe I can change plural 100.000.000 to singular, at most. You would still be 100-900x wrong. If you meant hundreds of thousands. If you meant thousands, as in 2-9k, you would be 11.111-50.000x wrong. That's actually impressive!
If a country is so disorganised they can't get vaccines in arms in less than 3 weeks, it is only their own fault. The Kenyan guy is crying that 10 weeks is not enough But as you are more than 100x wrong in your numbers, I don't really care to waste more time on this with you.That link is evidence that the world is letting Africa down. Not that Africa is wasting vaccines. WE (the developed world) wasted those vaccines.
Anyway, yep. I meant thousands as in 1000 to 999,999. Not 9000 or less.
If a country is so disorganised they can't get vaccines in arms in less than 3 weeks, it is only their own fault. The Kenyan guy is crying that 10 weeks is not enough But as you are more than 100x wrong in your numbers, I don't really care to waste more time on this with you.
Are there any studies covering booster risk (myocarditis etc) vs Omicron severity in double-vaxxed males in their 30s? I.e. have we proven that the difference in protection between 2 and 3 doses is worth the risk of the 3rd dose, across all adult age groups? Not a loaded question - I'd taken it as a given until now, hadn't really thought about it.
That link is evidence that the world is letting Africa down. Not that Africa is wasting vaccines. WE (the developed world) wasted those vaccines.
Anyway, yep. I meant thousands as in 1000 to 999,999. Not 9000 or less.
Also if you get a different booster? People around here who had been Pfizer vaxxed, myself included, got a Moderna booster.The increase in “vaccine risk” between 2nd and 3rd dose is so trivial it’s not worth thinking about. Basically, if you’re one of the unlucky handful of people out of every million that has a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine then that would have already been uncovered after the first two doses.
Also if you get a different booster? People around here who had been Pfizer vaxxed, myself included, got a Moderna booster.
Apart from that I'd also assume that the risk of omicron is still much higher than the risk of a vaccine, even if omicron is somewhat "mild" for a lot of people.
I got AZ for my first two. Next will be one of the mRNA ones, not sure which my clinic has.The increase in “vaccine risk” between 2nd and 3rd dose is so trivial it’s not worth thinking about. Basically, if you’re one of the unlucky handful of people out of every million that has a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine then that would have already been uncovered after the first two doses.
I got AZ for my first two. Next will be one of the mRNA ones, not sure which my clinic has.
That link is evidence that the world is letting Africa down. Not that Africa is wasting vaccines. WE (the developed world) wasted those vaccines.
Anyway, yep. I meant thousands as in 1000 to 999,999. Not 9000 or less.
Increased supply caught many recipients unprepared.
You’re still wrong though. In that linked article they refer to 100 million doses rejected in December alone. By the end of 2021 the EU had made available 380 million doses, of which only 255 million had been accepted.
All of which means that if the EU decided to stop vaccinating its citizens tomorrow in order to follow the WHO’s request to “vaccinate the world” the main consequence would be an astronomical amount of vaccines ending up in landfill.
There’s a discussion to be had about what more can be done to help developing countries with the infrastructure needed to better vaccinate their citizens but it’s obvious that vaccine supply is not the rate limiting step here.
If African nations cant organise to do the same in months, that's not the world's fault.
Respectfully…. Yes it Fcuking is. Many African cities are every bit as developed as London or Paris. But it’s a whopping great big land mass and we’re giving some of the poorest nations on earth, shorter time frames than we work to. It’s madness.
If I remember correctly, only 25% of African women have access to contraception, but 50% want access to it. Various disease outbreaks have had decades long education programs attached to them. But Covid? We send surplus vaccines with short shelf lives. What the feck are we doing? We are failing. It IS our problem.
Again, probably being a little sensitive and puritanical, but there we go.
Yep, a lot of short shelf life stuff arriving at short notice and without any logistical support. Plus, we're now so far down the track that most people will have had (or think they've had) covid and motivation levels will be low. Supplies that would have snapped up 6 months ago will seem less important (to individuals and to government healthcare providers) in places where delta and now omicron have raced through the community.I’m not. African countries are rejecting the vaccines. Not pissing them away.
The ‘developed’ and apparently civilised world is sending vaccines with short shelf life’s, at short notice, to some of the poorest nations on earth.
We treat Africa with such disregard. “They need vaccines, here’s 100m of them” That’s a sound approach if they’re going to Kinshasa or Addis Ababa, but chucking product at a continent where 4 in every 5 people have no internet connection isn’t helpful.
We should be sending structured Aid, supply chain assistance and vaccines with the longest shelf life’s, not the shortest. The truth obviously exists somewhere between Massis over the top number and my massive undersell. I just take exception to these generalisations about Africa. Probably too sensitive.
Respectfully…. Yes it Fcuking is. Many African cities are every bit as developed as London or Paris. But it’s a whopping great big land mass and we’re giving some of the poorest nations on earth, shorter time frames than we work to. It’s madness.
If I remember correctly, only 25% of African women have access to contraception, but 50% want access to it. Various disease outbreaks have had decades long education programs attached to them. But Covid? We send surplus vaccines with short shelf lives. What the feck are we doing? We are failing. It IS our problem.
Again, probably being a little sensitive and puritanical, but there we go.
I've seen a very similar rumour is spread by antivax groups targeting different faiths. So Hindus are told that the vaccine contains cow foetus cells, Muslims are told it contains pig foetus cells and Christians are being told it contains human foetus cells. I'd be very surprised if any of this were true.A colleagues family and extended family(I am from India) is refusing to get vaccinated because they say that cattle foetal cells are used in the manufacture of all vaccines. They’re the very religious type and the link to cows is what they’re against. He googled and found that this is true of covaxin, the indigenous vaccine here.
https://www.businesstoday.in/corona...making-covaxin-what-experts-298775-2021-06-15
@jojojo, @Wibble, @Brwned, @Pogue Mahone is there anything that is available online that shows this isn’t true for AstraZeneca or Sputnik? These are vulnerable people and it’d be nice if I could help convince them. I am googling but just posting here as you guys have good answers usually.
Looks like the majority of reported side effects aren't real
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eactions-not-caused-by-vaccine-study-suggests
What about the deaths?
Yes it is. You have to account for why these countries don't have the resources to do it.This is the key quote in that article:
It is the responsibility of Covax to get vaccines to the poorer nations which is now happening. When vaccines arrived in Europe they were being used within days. If African nations cant organise to do the same in months, that's not the world's fault.
This entirely. People acting like it's easy to do just because they're in a place that can do it easily.I’m not. African countries are rejecting the vaccines. Not pissing them away.
The ‘developed’ and apparently civilised world is sending vaccines with short shelf life’s, at short notice, to some of the poorest nations on earth.
We treat Africa with such disregard. “They need vaccines, here’s 100m of them” That’s a sound approach if they’re going to Kinshasa or Addis Ababa, but chucking product at a continent where 4 in every 5 people have no internet connection isn’t helpful.
We should be sending structured Aid, supply chain assistance and vaccines with the longest shelf life’s, not the shortest. The truth obviously exists somewhere between Massis over the top number and my massive undersell. I just take exception to these generalisations about Africa. Probably too sensitive.
Convenient.Looks like the majority of reported side effects aren't real
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eactions-not-caused-by-vaccine-study-suggests
Convenient.
If the pharmaceutical companies apply this concept to testing new drugs, then no negative side effects will ever be attributed to their products.
Jaysis, spent most of the day with my skin crawling, not able to eat, absolutely freezing, and totally exhausted after my third dose yesterday.
Each additional shot has given me ever increasing side effects, not that I'm complaining too much, this doesn't come anywhere near being in ICU on a ventilator, so happy enough to suffer it (and call in sick while i do!).
Anecdotally seems there's a bit of a trend of people I know who had Pfizer initially and then modena for the booster being fecked by the booster.
The wife had the exact same doses as me and had no ill effects, the bitch!
I've seen a very similar rumour is spread by antivax groups targeting different faiths. So Hindus are told that the vaccine contains cow foetus cells, Muslims are told it contains pig foetus cells and Christians are being told it contains human foetus cells. I'd be very surprised if any of this were true.
I got AZ for my first two. Next will be one of the mRNA ones, not sure which my clinic has.
Convenient.
If the pharmaceutical companies apply this concept to testing new drugs, then no negative side effects will ever be attributed to their products.
Yeah, being an alpha, I take it as proof my system is winning the good fight against the shotThe third shot often has the greatest side effects. Good in a way as it means your immune system is working well.
Finally got my third a few days back. Seems it will be difficult to dodge Omicron, atleast I'll be a bit more prepared.
Maybe there are some quick fixes? There are people much better qualified than me to have an opinion about that. Whatever, it’s obvious that the first and most urgent problem is finding a way for Africa to make better use of the vaccines already allocated. So whenever the WHO (or assorted Twitter whingers) get outraged about booster programs and say “those doses should be going to Africa instead!” it’s fair to say they’re missing the point.
We know quite a few people here in Sydney who have caught it recently and the double vaxxed are more common and worse effected (average a week of bad cold like symptoms) whereas fewer triple vaxxed people seem to get it and feel bad for a shorter time (2/3 days).
Interesting, hopefully my whole family will avoid infection until they all recieve their third shot.
I guess the majority of the double vaxxed have lost a bit of their immunity because the last shot was most likely taken a few months back?
Sadly I think it will be forgotten. We seem to forget so many lessons from the past.One in four people will be African inside my lifetime. How the world acted from November 2019 after the vaccine development won’t be forgotten.
Bovine cells or biological material is used in vaccine research and the growth medium in vaccine production. The vaccines themselves don't contain bovine material from what I've read.