Didn’t he say more data is required for international travel?
how about a vaccine passport for travel? Would people buy into that idea?
how about a vaccine passport for travel? Would people buy into that idea?
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My missus had her jab saturday, and then we had a few drinks in the evening (as is our tradition). Sunday she woke up with the worse hangover ever, she was throwing up most of the day, couldnt eat, couldnt even sip water without it coming back up again.
Spoke to a friend of ours who also had their jab saturday who did the same thing, and they ended up in hospital sunday with how much they were throwing up.
Lesson seems to be alcohol and the vaccine dont mix.
Spoke to a friend of ours who also had their jab saturday who did the same thing, and they ended up in hospital sunday with how much they were throwing up.
Lesson seems to be alcohol and the vaccine dont mix.
Who knew that would be a bad idea
I think the view is that alcohol could potentially blunt the immune response so it's best to abstain for a bit to be safe, but a couple are probably fine. It's weird it made her ill though as the trials didn't tell people not to drink so it should have been picked up if it was a common reaction.
I don't think there's any specific data on alcohol in terms of immune response though as it wasn't part of the checks.
When I had mine I googled about the alcohol advice as I was sure there must be some somewhere, and it said something along the lines of nothing 2 days before, or 14 days after, was nothing on the info sheet from memory though, felt like crap the next 48 hrs so glad I didn't bother.
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Correct. Vaccines are still a medicine and it’s never right to be drinking on meds
Yeah, it does say that, but after looking it all came down to one article on drinkawware (a charity for safe drinking). The official advice is it's best to be safe but there is no specific data and alcohol can blunt immune responses. Vaccinations in general don't normally have specific advise regarding alcohol but as you say, it's best to be safe and I kept to the 2 week recommendation because why not.
Yeah, apparently chances of immune response are slightly higher from the Moderna shot. We'll see. Got some groceries in case I do feel ill tomorrow. I didn't receive anything about a booster shot with mine or a note that it's only good for 6 months. I suspect that we may need a booster annually?
Received my 2nd Pfizer vaccine last Tuesday. Felt ok. Really fecking sore arm, very lethargic that night but overall no significant issues. I know a lot of folk who have felt like a pile of shit after their 2nd Pfizer.
What’s the view on taking the flu vaccine soonish given the rollout of the Covid vaccine?
I’ve done some research, and there has been no studies on Covid vaccine co-administration (as expected), but generally it isn’t an issue with vaccines is my understanding (they do say don’t take another vaccine 2 weeks before or after, but I think that’s more due to possible reactions).
I’ve done some research, and there has been no studies on Covid vaccine co-administration (as expected), but generally it isn’t an issue with vaccines is my understanding (they do say don’t take another vaccine 2 weeks before or after, but I think that’s more due to possible reactions).
There's studies ongoing currently looking into the combination of available covid vaccines.
With regards flu vaccs, I'd always tell my patients to wait at least 10-14 days between getting them. From my point of view, you want your body to deal with manufacturing the antibodies etc for one thing at a time and give it time to settle. Upsetting that might lead to some unwanted side effects and may (or may not) impede the efficacy of either vaccine.
I didn’t watch but two senior sources have apparently stated they may be set to restrict AZ to over 30s.
Ok so it’s possible that efficacy of the covid vaccine will be reduced? There’s lots of talk of also taking the pneumonia vaccines soon as well, but it’s probably worth waiting to get the covid vaccine then.
I mean there’s a possibility but I don’t know for sure. I’d always err on the side of caution and give your body one vaccine at a time. Definitely worth prioritising the Covid vaccine over pneumonia one.
I presume you’re Southern Hemisphere??
Yeah South Africa. Covid vaccine rollout is slow so it’s other vaccination times again. From what I read from the CDC, they basically say don’t take anything 2 weeks before or after. However, if you do take another vaccine, there’s no need to re-administer either vaccine.
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Feels like the EU countries are dropping a bollock here, US and India are doing vaccinations at a scale of 3 million per day and here in Denmark, its 10,000 on a good day.
Those sort of estimates are pretty useless because the rate at which vaccinations are manufactured/distributed will get faster and faster over time. Plus new vaccines will become approved/available shortly. The acceleration of vaccine supply will be closer to exponential than the straight line they’re assuming.
Not to mention that when highly populous countries like the US vaccinate everyone, that suddenly frees up an enormous amount of vaccines for the rest of the world.
Ya all it shows is who is likely to get vaccinated first, but the timeframes are wrong.
Some good news locally is we’ve apparently finally signed with Pfizer, so those doses should start arriving from May/June. All vulnerable people should be vaccinated by Sept/Oct.
Given that I’m in my 30s with no co-morbidities, I’m expecting to receive my vaccine at the end of the year/early next year. Still a bit of a wait, but hopefully next year this time things are as close to normal as possible.
They are both vaccinating 0.002% of their population per day currently.
That 10k figure can’t be right. Denmark are doing a great job with their vaccines. The best in Europe. In Ireland we did >30k last Friday.
That's down to individual countries, not the bloc. Italy is up to 300,000 doses a day through hospitals alone, with the massive central hubs to come online from next week. The doses are available now and increasing on a daily basis. If Denmark is only administering 10k it's down to them alone.
Italy accounts for 13.5% of EU population and supply. You can work out where Denmark should be based off that.
Yesterday, it was 13,000 and its been in that 10-13k range ever since they paused the Astrazeneca vaccines. 7% of the population has been fully vaccinated so far. Denmark is not doing poorly but its nowhere near the lead either. Here's the top 20 ranked by number of doses administered per 100 residents.
Yesterday, it was 13,000 and its been in that 10-13k range ever since they paused the Astrazeneca vaccines. 7% of the population has been fully vaccinated so far. Denmark is not doing poorly but its nowhere near the lead either. Here's the top 20 ranked by number of doses administered per 100 residents.
Denmark has been consistently in the lead in the EU (that’s what I meant by “best in Europe”) Although that won’t last if they’re only vaccinating 10k/day. That figure is surprising to me.
Can I just say that the USA have really upped their game since Trumps administration fecked off?
Well yeah, but... They've also upped their export controls. Which basically means that potential vaccine manufacturing countries like India can't get the basic supplies that they need and that the EU plants are supplying to countries like Canada who were originally scheduled to be supplied from the US.
Hopefully, once the pressure of the national situation eases off, the US will start supplying the world and in particular supporting South and Central America. If they decide to stockpile to prepare for any possible mutant variants instead, that'll be really troubling.
True - but Biden's administration did enter the fray at the optimal time given the vaccines were at a highly developed stage/things couldn't really have gotten much worse from where they were in Jan.
This is not in defence of Trump/former administration by the way, following that shower of shite has also made the Dem's job pretty easy to improve upon.
Yeh by basically fecking over everyone else and hoarding their own vaccines, while other vaccine producing countries like EU are supplying the rest of the world.
Nothing good about what the US and UK have done. They've taken the path of vaccine nationalism and forgotten about the rest of the world.
That also shows the political climate in both countries. Biden would have been toast had he been shipping vaccine abroad while asking people to stay in lockdowns for much longer.
Thoroughly reassuring if your just on the wrong side of 30 obviously
Chances are so minimal obviously it should be a non issue but there's always that "what if" in the back of your mind.
The only good side to the US hording all the vaccines for now, is they're being pretty effective at putting them in people's arms, so they should be done with the adult population soon. Hopefully, they then release the export restrictions and the world benefits from a big influx of vaccines.
First Moderna doses have arrived in the UK this week, although numbers likely to be small for a while. Hopefully guards against some of the supply shocks by bringing more manufacturers into the mix.
First Moderna doses have arrived in the UK this week, although numbers likely to be small for a while. Hopefully guards against some of the supply shocks by bringing more manufacturers into the mix.
Sounds like just politics, am I right.Thoroughly reassuring if your just on the wrong side of 30 obviously
Chances are so minimal obviously it should be a non issue but there's always that "what if" in the back of your mind.
I get everyone likes blaming foreigners, including me, and I'm not generally a fan of the US either, but in this case it's clear that the US paid for the development and manufacture of vaccines to a degree that the EU did not, and the people to blame for the EU shortfall there are the governments of the EU.
It might be comforting to point out how the EU have exported vaccine, but had they kept every last bit of that they would still be way short of what the US has done, and of course much of what they have exported was again paid for and contracted by the governments it was sent to.
In short, blame your own governments first. You do have a lot on order though so should start catching up soon, unless you decide to give it away to Africa and South America of course.
Thoroughly reassuring if your just on the wrong side of 30 obviously
Chances are so minimal obviously it should be a non issue but there's always that "what if" in the back of your mind.
Not surprised. As I have been mentioning in this thread this (the fear) was bound to filter down to the UK eventually. So it means there will be plenty of second jabs available for me and my mum after tonight. Vaccine passports are even closer for us.
Also @hasanejaz88 expect millions of freely released AZ vaccines from the UK to the rest of the world very shortly.
There's no way of dodging the what if, it's there every time we get in the car or eat a burger. It's certainly there with medications and food supplements etc, including some that we don't worry about at all.Thoroughly reassuring if your just on the wrong side of 30 obviously
Chances are so minimal obviously it should be a non issue but there's always that "what if" in the back of your mind.
The MHRA and the other regulators have to treat it as a statistical thing. The risk of dying/becoming seriously ill after taking the vaccine v the risk of dying/becoming seriously if you catch covid. Now throw in the idea that actually, what are the odds of that person catching covid at all.
Those odds will keep changing - but people don't really like the idea of scientists who "won't make their minds up" so their first problem is how to explain why advice chances as evidence comes in but also why it changes as the circumstances do. The next one is the seemingly arbitrary limits on age etc that they end up setting.
They've also got that moral imperative that says, that for a particular individual, we don't know if they were the one who would get a bad dose of covid, or the one who will have a bad reaction to the vaccine. Not an easy call, but it's their job.
Meanwhile, the doctors who are likely to have to diagnose/treat any complications have more guidance. So we're already better off than a month ago.
This is what annoys me about the media there, people like to claim Biden is going to be different from Trump in that he won't be a nationalist and will try to help other countries rather than bully them like Trump. He's continued what Trump did regarding the vaccines and not a word is being said, if this was Trump and it was released that he is stopping other companies from exporting any vaccines, he would be bashed in the media. Because it's Biden, people are ignoring this.
This is not true, Pfizer clarified that the US government didn't contribute to their vaccine development at all, while Germany gave a lot of money for development given that BionTech is a German company. There was also a bit of annoyance from Germany when Israel got a lot more doses from Pfizer than Germany did because they paid a price higher than other countries, Germany said they gave a lot of money for it's development but apparantely that didn't figure against Israel paying a high price.
The EU were blindsided by what the UK did most, don't think the USA deal would've impacted them by a lot, but it's still really disgraceful that the US are only focusing on vaccinating their population and leaving the load of supporting other countries on someone else, when it's clear that you need to vaccinate the whole population to avoid variants from developing from unvaccinated areas.
I do criticize the EU for being too apprehensive regarding the Oxford vaccine (the negative press regarding its efficacy from the start and then banning it in the middle). Although it seems even the UK is going to ban the vaccine for under 50s. I don't criticize them for not being selfish and only focusing on themselves, but rather thinking of helping other countries as well.
Preemptively took some Acetaminophen around 7:30/8:00 pm last night. Woke up around 2am hurting all over and shivering/shaking with the beginnings of a headache. I didn't sleep well, but I took more Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen around 7 and slept a couple more hours. Once the meds kicked in, I felt pretty much fine with only minor aches and a slight headache. As it's worn off, I'm starting to feel worse (mostly aches and chills) again.
Recommendation: Take Acetaminophen and/or Ibuprofen before going to bed after the shot and as needed afterwards.