The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft

I think it was @Aldo who made those little tables with flags for @antohan 's alltime draft. Whoever it was, I kinda liked them, so here you go:

players in bold are the pre-66 players. I plan to update it from time to time, not after every pick of course.

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It would also be nice if someone checked if I fecked up somewhere. My brain freezed halfway through.
 
Feck I thought Zebec had already been picked. To find out he got picked one turn before mine/Theons. This sucks
 
This looks amazing, teams are brilliant so far. I understand the rules but have to admit that the specific euro performances of a lot of the players aren't so fresh in my memory currently - looking forward to the write ups.

Aldo - wow, Nedved, Iniesta and Albert, wow...


Stobz, raees, skizzo are my other favourites so far but that could just be personal preference, like I said I look forward to the write ups, particularly from the likes of harms and ctp considering the some of players they have chosen are that little but more obscure but no doubt have a great story behind them.


@Balu thanks for the invite mate, maybe another time!
 
Balu said:
I think it was @Aldo who made those little tables with flags for @antohan 's alltime draft. Whoever it was, I kinda liked them, so here you go:

players in bold are the pre-66 players. I plan to update it from time to time, not after every pick of course.

206h3di.jpg


It would also be nice if someone checked if I fecked up somewhere. My brain freezed halfway through.
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Looks great. Perhaps the croatian flag next to Zebec is a tad big hehe.
 
The Stain said:
Looks great. Perhaps the croatian flag next to Zebec is a tad big hehe.
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Yeah, all the flags need a slight correction (in size and positioning, which will happen with the next update ;).
 
its obvious im going to win this as im the only one with physio....
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The Stain said:
Didn't Brehme play on the right at the euro's? Don't know myself, i've just seen him in a "best players at the euro's" lineup.
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I think he played on the right in the semifinal loss in '88, but in most games in 88 and 92 he played on the left.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Sándor Kocsis
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5.
 
Strangely enough, his record in CEIC is not exactly impressive. But still, one hell of a pick, especially for a fifth round.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Sándor Kocsis
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5.

@The Red Viper
 
NM said:
The issue for you is that the performances of your players are rather well known - and some of them simply didn't perform brilliantly in the Euros.
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I think that is being disingenuous. His point is that there is no proper documented proof of performances of pre 1960 players in the competition concerned. And most definitely people will be going by reputation, which in theory is against the spirit of this draft.
 
harms said:
Strangely enough, his record in CEIC is not exactly impressive. But still, one hell of a pick, especially for a fifth round.
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Yeah. Its a good record, but not brilliant like his entire career to be fair. 6/10 isn't bad though tbh!
 
crappycraperson said:
And most definitely people will be going by reputation, which in theory is against the spirit of this draft.
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I don't think it's any different for the older players than it is with the modern ones, probably a bit more difficult to prove, but in theory not different. For example, I'm sure it will be questioned that Kocsis didn't score as regularly as he did at the World Cup and he won't be rated as highly as in a different context.
 
harms said:
Strangely enough, his record in CEIC is not exactly impressive. But still, one hell of a pick, especially for a fifth round.
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Hungary won it in '53 I believe which is when Kocsis was in his prime and without a doubt one of the best players in the world.

In terms of his overall record, the stats are slightly skewed as there weren't many CEIC games in Kocsis' peak years - between 1950 and 1955 Kocsis scored 4 in 6 which is a nice return, and when he was in his prime.

Thats when he scored 11 goals in 5 games at the '54 World Cup of course. I've not got the slightest concerns about Kocsis's ability here.
 
crappycraperson said:
I think that is being disingenuous. His point is that there is no proper documented proof of performances of pre 1960 players in the competition concerned. And most definitely people will be going by reputation, which in theory is against the spirit of this draft.
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My main concern is midfielders in International Cup. We have no way to judge them at all - attackers, if they play well, will be on the scoresheet, defenders will contribute to the amount of conceded goals - but midfielder's influence isn't seen in the results, we have no sure way of knowing if he played well but his team was below average, or was it the other way, for example.

That's why I didn't pick Ocwirk. The results weren't fantastic and I had no real knowledge of his performances there (and no way to find out about them). Even though he has a massive reputation.
 
harms said:
My main concern is midfielders in International Cup. We have no way to judge them at all - attackers, if they play well, will be on the scoresheet, defenders will contribute to the amount of conceded goals - but midfielder's influence isn't seen in the results, we have no sure way of knowing if he played well but his team was below average, or was it the other way, for example.

That's why I didn't pick Ocwirk. The results weren't fantastic and I had no real knowledge of his performances there (and no way to find out about them). Even though he has a massive reputation.
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Yeah, it's difficult to know exactly how well he played in those specific games. However, he was generally excellent at the time of the competition. He was named best player in the world by France Football in 1952, which is pretty much equivalent to a Ballon d'Or, and captained a World XI in 1953 and 1954. I'll have to assume he performed to those standards at the International Cup, unless I find evidence to the contrary.
 
In a way it's a bit unfair that the pre 60's players got a lot more games than the ones between 60 and 76. It makes it easier to give them the benefit of the doubt. But UEFA wanted to play the fnal tournament from 1960 onwards with only 4 teams, so we'll stick with it.
 
Balu said:
I don't think it's any different for the older players than it is with the modern ones, probably a bit more difficult to prove, but in theory not different. For example, I'm sure it will be questioned that Kocsis didn't score as regularly as he did at the World Cup and he won't be rated as highly as in a different context.
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See what Theon and ctp wrote. Pretty much every manager will argue that their oldie player was at their best and it will be hard to argue otherwise due to lack of proper proof unless you go purely by stats. I guess this balances out the fact that many old players don't get their due.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Sándor Kocsis
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5.
 
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