The Trump Presidency - Part 2

golden_blunder said:
I hope he keeps firing generals with operational experience. Only makes himself weaker if there ever comes a day when the military turns on him
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Eh? That doesn't make any sense. He's firing Generals that he didn't appoint, doesn't like or have criticised him or not sided with him.

He's appointing Trump bootlickers that will do anything he says. The same as he's doing throughout the entire government system in every department and what he's started to do and said he will do even more of in the judicial system too with judges and law enforcement appointments.

I can't see how it would make him weaker, especially when it makes the chances of the military turning on him less likely.
 
golden_blunder said:
How so?
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The people likely to challenge anything are being removed and replaced by people who happily follow the ongoing madness because they actually believe in it, when you do that at quite a few levels it's difficult to build much of a "resistance", it's likely to be nipped in the butt early on.

I'd also say that the overall boundaries are being pushed beyond what anyone would like to imagine about western countries in general. A watergate type scenario in 2025 would be brushed away quite easily. Clinton and his cigar would barely be interesting for a few weeks. Social media gives instant access and the false news debacle has made it even easier to control the narrative.

The only thing i actually question is if Trump was surprised by the attack on the capitol and the outcome, how easy it was to get away with it and then pardoning the cnuts later down the years, and if that's set them on a path where they know that they can literally get away with pretty much whatever they want.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I am usually not a fan of conspiracy talk, but i really do think this can spiral completely out of control and have extreme consequences. Trump 2028 incoming.
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They'd have to change the constitution. That's what his supporters want, as it goes, and they're not quiet about it. But how easy is that in practice? If it happens it would be the verification of Marx' famous quote: history repeats itself... first as tragedy and then as farce (this would be akin to Caesar taking office after the Roman Empire had started to collapse).

The other thing is this: how can you be massively into the idea of a republic if you're willing to accept an entirely unconstitutional third term (there could not be an election and iirc FDR managed to hold one during WW2 so what kind of excuse could you possibly come up with that would allow you to suspend elections?).

The SC has Trump/MAGA appointees but aren't they basically die hard constitutionalists?

Either way, it would cause a civil war imo.
 
neverdie said:
They'd have to change the constitution. That's what his supporters want, as it goes, and they're not quiet about it. But how easy is that in practice? If it happens it would be the verification of Marx' famous quote: history repeats itself... first as tragedy and then as farce (this would be akin to Caesar taking office after the Roman Empire had started to collapse).

The other thing is this: how can you be massively into the idea of a republic if you're willing to accept an entirely unconstitutional third term (there could not be an election and iirc FDR managed to hold one during WW2 so what kind of excuse could you possibly come up with that would allow you to suspend elections?).
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there are 27 amendments already

it's hard, but not that hard, especially given the level of control he has
 
neverdie said:
They'd have to change the constitution. That's what his supporters want, as it goes, and they're not quiet about it. But how easy is that in practice? If it happens it would be the verification of Marx' famous quote: history repeats itself... first as tragedy and then as farce (this would be akin to Caesar taking office after the Roman Empire had started to collapse).

The other thing is this: how can you be massively into the idea of a republic if you're willing to accept an entirely unconstitutional third term (there could not be an election and iirc FDR managed to hold one during WW2 so what kind of excuse could you possibly come up with that would allow you to suspend elections?).

The SC has Trump/MAGA appointees but aren't they basically die hard constitutionalists?

Either way, it would cause a civil war imo.
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Not so sure. Trump just passed an exec order that says he and the attorney general get to decide what is lawful or not, and that is basically a variant of the of the 1933 enabling act that began the rise of hitler to complete, total power in Germany.

The nazi legislation said they could ignore the Constitution and make laws without oversight, trumps says he is the sole arbiter of what is legal or not for government agencies. Different wording, same outcome. Its barely created a ripple.
 
WPMUFC said:
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In some ways this is actually good. If they were able to somehow let him run in 2028 that means they don’t actually have a viable plan for a post-Trump succession plan and are heavily reliant on personality cult that is strictly attached to him. And even if he does run, he’s going to be 83 already and won’t be around for much longer.

Not sure whether he’d even endorse that opportunity but that would also open up a door for Obama to run again and I’d fancy him against Trump even in a heavily lopsided election largely controlled by MAGA.
 
Tarrou said:
there are 27 amendments already

it's hard, but not that hard, especially given the level of control he has
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The same knuckle dragging morons calling for him to be allowed to run again would lose their absolute shit at the idea of doing anything about 2A.
 
Sarni said:
In some ways this is actually good. If they were able to somehow let him run in 2028 that means they don’t actually have a viable plan for a post-Trump succession plan and are heavily reliant on personality cult that is strictly attached to him. And even if he does run, he’s going to be 83 already and won’t be around for much longer.

Not sure whether he’d even endorse that opportunity but that would also open up a door for Obama to run again and I’d fancy him against Trump even in a heavily lopsided election largely controlled by MAGA.
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You have to adjust your thinking, trump wants to be like putin. That kind of 'politics' has little in common with actual politics, it operates more like a mafia family. The big guy only gives up power when he wants to, or he's taken out by those below him.

The push for a 3rd term will be because there is no one brave enough to organize the hit. Or like putin, trump disposes of anyone that would before they get the chance.
 
Tarrou said:
there are 27 amendments already

it's hard, but not that hard, especially given the level of control he has
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An amendment requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and 3/4 of states.

There is no chance to do an amendment like that in the current climate. Much more likelier (albeit I think it is still highly unlikely, but not close to impossible) to just ignore the constitution and run again (or not do elections at all).
 
Sarni said:
In some ways this is actually good. If they were able to somehow let him run in 2028 that means they don’t actually have a viable plan for a post-Trump succession plan and are heavily reliant on personality cult that is strictly attached to him. And even if he does run, he’s going to be 83 already and won’t be around for much longer.

Not sure whether he’d even endorse that opportunity but that would also open up a door for Obama to run again and I’d fancy him against Trump even in a heavily lopsided election largely controlled by MAGA.
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I think Trump likely views the Presidency as dynastic - my guess is he'll run a sham election for a guaranteed win in 2028 and look to hand it down to one of his family members.
 
Infra-red said:
I think Trump likely views the Presidency as dynastic - my guess is he'll run a sham election for a guaranteed win in 2028 and look to hand it down to one of his family members.
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It is kind of comforting to know people in general (but especially in power) are c**** everywhere and were just forced/ could afford to behave a certain way in flourishing western democracies since WW2.
 
Revan said:
An amendment requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and 3/4 of states.

There is no chance to do an amendment like that in the current climate. Much more likelier (albeit I think it is still highly unlikely, but not close to impossible) to just ignore the constitution and run again (or not do elections at all).
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yeah, I agree he's more than likely he'd just try to ignore the constitution than try to change it

it's hard to see where we'll be in a couple of years time though

these guys are not playing by the rules
 
Infra-red said:
I think Trump likely views the Presidency as dynastic - my guess is he'll run a sham election for a guaranteed win in 2028 and look to hand it down to one of his family members.
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I don’t think any of his family members are capable of staying in power for long though.
 
Sarni said:
In some ways this is actually good. If they were able to somehow let him run in 2028 that means they don’t actually have a viable plan for a post-Trump succession plan and are heavily reliant on personality cult that is strictly attached to him. And even if he does run, he’s going to be 83 already and won’t be around for much longer.

Not sure whether he’d even endorse that opportunity but that would also open up a door for Obama to run again and I’d fancy him against Trump even in a heavily lopsided election largely controlled by MAGA.
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Definitely. Obama would absolutely embarrass Trump on the trail - not happening though.
 
well the markets arent reacting too well to trumps economic policies so far, so will be interesting to see what he does. obviously there are massive tax cuts for the top earners and corporations coming, but tariffs / inflation / volatility in decision making will all lean heavily on the markets, and a correction which is not out of the question as we are in a bubble, would really grind Trumps gears. danger then is he lashes out after being mocked for wrecking the economy.
 
NLunited said:
Yeah sure he would be.

Vaccination to fight bird flu is used in other countries, but the US doesn‘t because it would hurt the chicken export.
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I wouldn't think egg laying chickens are exported
 
Tarrou said:
there are 27 amendments already

it's hard, but not that hard, especially given the level of control he has
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It is that hard, and he doesn't have that much control, amending the constitution requires congressional majorities he doesn't have, and then 3/4 state support that he'll never have
 
neverdie said:
They'd have to change the constitution. That's what his supporters want, as it goes, and they're not quiet about it. But how easy is that in practice? If it happens it would be the verification of Marx' famous quote: history repeats itself... first as tragedy and then as farce (this would be akin to Caesar taking office after the Roman Empire had started to collapse).

The other thing is this: how can you be massively into the idea of a republic if you're willing to accept an entirely unconstitutional third term (there could not be an election and iirc FDR managed to hold one during WW2 so what kind of excuse could you possibly come up with that would allow you to suspend elections?).

The SC has Trump/MAGA appointees but aren't they basically die hard constitutionalists?

Either way, it would cause a civil war imo.
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There actually is some parallels between Americans and the Romans- a fiercely Republican people who hated the idea of kingship and then after hundreds of years yearn to be governed by a king again (or an Emperor, which is just a king by another name). Once you have someone who crosses an established line and breaks the law you get others that follow with the logic that if he can do it then anyone can do it.
 
Irwin99 said:
There actually is some parallels between Americans and the Romans- a fiercely Republican people who hated the idea of kingship and then after hundreds of years yearn to be governed by a king again (or an Emperor, which is just a king by another name). Once you have someone who crosses an established line and breaks the law you get others that follow with the logic that if he can do it then anyone can do it.
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The difference is that Caesar came prior to the largest expanse (the "peak") of the Roman Empire. He just set it in motion and illusions of democracy could not be maintained. Cicero et all died on that hill.

Here, the American Empire is at its weakest since its existence. It is dead, already, as far as I can tell, but we must go through the motions of its death in real time. I.e., tragedy (Caesar) and farce (Trump).
 
JPRouve said:
How expensive are they, I keep hearing about it but no one is giving us prices. :confused:
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Eggs or drugs?

Eggs are twice the price they were 12-18 months ago in my area, drugs I wouldn't know
 
JPRouve said:
The same thing happened here since one of the last Bird Flu in 2022 or 2023?
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It's a global thing with the bird flu but of course Trump blamed the previous guy and promised he'd fix it
 
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