The Transfer Deadline Day Thread / Most crazy ever?

I agree we have not had the best approach... but I am also not convinced that we have made any serious errors. I think it shows how hard it is.

I don't think we could have got Thiago, or Fabregas, or Illaramendi, or Marchisio. Most of the other desirable players are clearly not gettable.

Not fussed about not signing Strootman, Capoue, Van Ginkel, Fernandinho for silly money, or most of the other CMs that have moved on this summer.

I am looking at maybe Paulinho, maybe Kondogbia as potential missed opportunities, though it seems pretty clear that Moyes is not really after that sort of player, and even those two I am not that sure about. Maybe Quintero, perhaps, but he is very young and going to Porto is normally a stepping stone.
 
Varun_Utd said:
We've created the situation for ourselves by doing what Sir Alex prided us on never doing, waiting till the last day to conduct business. The problem is of our own creation. What's done is done though. Fact is, we dont have enough numbers in CM atm. We'd again by praying for Carrick to remain fit all year long if want to win the league. The CL, well, unless we get lucky, even a fully fit Carrick wont be enough.
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What? Where has this myth arisen from?
 
Varun_Utd said:
We've created the situation for ourselves by doing what Sir Alex prided us on never doing, waiting till the last day to conduct business. The problem is of our own creation. What's done is done though. Fact is, we dont have enough numbers in CM atm. We'd again by praying for Carrick to remain fit all year long if want to win the league. The CL, well, unless we get lucky, even a fully fit Carrick wont be enough.
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But that implies that we could have done something different.

I think we were in for Thiago and he chose Bayern. We went in hard for Fabregas but he didn't want to go.

Who did you want, and could we have signed him early? We could maybe have got Fellaini for the release clause, admittedly... and might still... but I don't think that's what we were aiming for, and personally I can see why.

People grossly misunderstand the transfer market. It's much easier for a club like Spurs who need to fatten their squad and whose whole policy is to take chances on various young players across Europe and in various positions. We have a big and very good squad already and are looking for one, maybe two, quality additions, in certain positions, and with an eye on the CL since I think we can more than compete in the PL already. It's not easy to move the players that will improve the club, especially when most are already on fat contracts for other CL clubs already. This is especially true when most of the biggest talents are not in this country and don't have a particularly big pull to United over any other club offering money etc.
 
sincher said:
I agree we have not had the best approach... but I am also not convinced that we have made any serious errors. I think it shows how hard it is.

I don't think we could have got Thiago, or Fabregas, or Illaramendi, or Marchisio. Most of the other desirable players are clearly not gettable.

Not fussed about not signing Strootman, Capoue, Van Ginkel, Fernandinho for silly money, or most of the other CMs that have moved on this summer.

I am looking at maybe Paulinho, maybe Kondogbia as potential missed opportunities, though it seems pretty clear that Moyes is not really after that sort of player, and even those two I am not that sure about. Maybe Quintero, perhaps, but he is very young and going to Porto is normally a stepping stone.
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Well that's the thing, isn't it? It's not the players for me, but the way we've (seemingly) dealth with it. We seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time either going after players that didn't appear to especially interested in us. We may have had our reasons but I'm struggling to think of a time when we've gotten to the end of the window and we're not only still going for players, we also appear to be after new ones, or at least players who haven't really been linked with us during this window. It doesn't look like we've had the most coherent recruitment strategy.
 
My point is: it doesn't matter how coherent the strategy is, it doesn't guarantee you will get what you want. Far from it.

I think the strategy was quite coherent, up to a point, but it hasn't worked. The worst thing we can do now is sling money around.
 
Why are we talking about Spurs? Spurs have done great business this summer. If for some reason the Bale deal fell through they'd have a fantastic chance of the top 4 and still be able to sell him next year. They aren't going to collapse in a season.
 
Brwned said:
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What? Where has this myth arisen from?
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Should have worded that better. Not something we never did but something we always tried to avoid. There were ofcourse cases where we did deals very late but even deals like Berbatov's got delayed and stretched out for various reasons. Bidding 30mil for a player with couple of days to go isnt something we'd normally do.


sincher said:
But that implies that we could have done something different.

I think we were in for Thiago and he chose Bayern. We went in hard for Fabregas but he didn't want to go.

Who did you want, and could we have signed him early? We could maybe have got Fellaini for the release clause, admittedly... and might still... but I don't think that's what we were aiming for, and personally I can see why.

People grossly misunderstand the transfer market. It's much easier for a club like Spurs who need to fatten their squad and whose whole policy is to take chances on various young players across Europe and in various positions. We have a big and very good squad already and are looking for one, maybe two, quality additions, in certain positions, and with an eye on the CL since I think we can more than compete in the PL already. It's not easy to move the players that will improve the club, especially when most are already on fat contracts for other CL clubs already.
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Yeah, I think we could have done better with the Fabregas bids. And now if we are going after Herrera, we should have gone in earlier to give the deal enough time.

I agree with the last bit totally but that's known and to be expected.
 
sincher said:
It would - seriously - be much better to wait until clubs are in a more willing position to sell.

Too many clubs who don't want the disruption and don't need the money right now.
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Yep.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Should have worded that better. Not something we never did but something we always tried to avoid. There were ofcourse cases where we did deals very late but even deals like Berbatov's got delayed and stretched out for various reasons. Bidding 30mil for a player with couple of days to go isnt something we'd normally do.





Yeah, I think we could have done better with the Fabregas bids. And now if we are going after Herrera, we should have gone in earlier to give the deal enough time.

I agree with the last bit totally but that's known and to be expected.
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We would not have shifted Fabregas, even for £45m.

I agree re. Herrera - looks a bit desperate to me. Doesn't look like the best basis for a deal. I don't think we have many options now though.
 
Actually, even if we manage to save a mil or 2 from the Fellaini deal by negotiating rather than activating his release clause, is it actually worth it? Would it not be better to have him at the start of the window and have an entire pre season with him plus give him extra time to adjust to us rather than save a million?
 
sincher said:
We would not have shifted Fabregas, even for £45m.

I agree re. Herrera - looks a bit desperate to me. Doesn't look like the best basis for a deal. I don't think we have many options now though.
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I think we would have had we actually made proper bids from the off rather than fecking around. The change in manager cost us.
 
Cannot see Everton selling him for less than the clause - and rightly so from their point of view.

Equally we won't go any significant amount above it, especially since it comes back into play in January.
 
sincher said:
But that implies that we could have done something different.

I think we were in for Thiago and he chose Bayern. We went in hard for Fabregas but he didn't want to go.

Who did you want, and could we have signed him early? We could maybe have got Fellaini for the release clause, admittedly... and might still... but I don't think that's what we were aiming for, and personally I can see why.

People grossly misunderstand the transfer market. It's much easier for a club like Spurs who need to fatten their squad and whose whole policy is to take chances on various young players across Europe and in various positions. We have a big and very good squad already and are looking for one, maybe two, quality additions, in certain positions, and with an eye on the CL since I think we can more than compete in the PL already. It's not easy to move the players that will improve the club, especially when most are already on fat contracts for other CL clubs already. This is especially true when most of the biggest talents are not in this country and don't have a particularly big pull to United over any other club offering money etc.
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Agree with this post.

I would say that it may have been possible to find one of those top quality players earlier on, but the money was crazy and the players preferred to play elsewhere.
 
Varun_Utd said:
I think we would have had we actually made proper bids from the off rather than fecking around. The change in manager cost us.
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Strongly disagree. The bids were also quite serious, and quite closely considered by Barcelona I think, not 'fecking around'. Bottom line is that the player is already at his favourite club and wants to succeed there.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
If we haven't signed someone by monday morning its going to kick off here
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And for good reasons !

Not signing anybody this window is just unacceptable !

I will blame every single misstep Moyes makes this year on his lack of activity in the window if he doesn't make a signing ! And i'am talking midfielders, and i'am talking serious players, not maybay a squad player within 4 years and not talking useless players, we already have those in abundance on the midfield !

I want to ffing read some deal for us is ffing done !!! I am so frustrated this window, i think i'll explode if we don't bring anybody in come 2nd of September !!!
 
I think he considered it, as anyone would, but decided not to. I don't think the size of the bids, nor the manager of United, were issues.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
And for good reasons !

Not signing anybody this window is just unacceptable !

I will blame every single misstep Moyes makes this year on his lack of activity in the window if he doesn't make a signing ! And i'am talking midfielders, and i'am talking serious players, not maybay a squad player within 4 years and not talking useless players, we already have those in abundance on the midfield !

I want to ffing read some deal for us is ffing done !!! I am so frustrated this window, i think i'll explode if we don't bring anybody in come 2nd of September !!!
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:lol:
 
sincher said:
I think he considered it, as anyone would, but decided not to. I don't think the size of the bids, nor the manager of United, were issues.
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The managerial change at Barca is what I meant. The new manager seems to have given him assurances Tito wasnt willing to. A bid that would be acceptable to Barca while Tito was in charge would have got us the player imo
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
And for good reasons !

Not signing anybody this window is just unacceptable !

I will blame every single misstep Moyes makes this year on his lack of activity in the window if he doesn't make a signing ! And i'am talking midfielders, and i'am talking serious players, not maybay a squad player within 4 years and not talking useless players, we already have those in abundance on the midfield !

I want to ffing read some deal for us is ffing done !!! I am so frustrated this window, i think i'll explode if we don't bring anybody in come 2nd of September !!!
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Varun_Utd said:
The managerial change at Barca is what I meant. The new manager seems to have given him assurances Tito wasnt willing to. A bid that would be acceptable to Barca while Tito was in charge would have got us the player imo
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Yep, Tito's relapse fecked us.
 
Varun_Utd said:
The managerial change at Barca is what I meant. The new manager seems to have given him assurances Tito wasnt willing to. A bid that would be acceptable to Barca while Tito was in charge would have got us the player imo
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I am pretty sure that wasn't a factor either.

I think the agent wanted the move, we wanted the move, Barca weren't fussed, the player was never that keen and chose to stay - and that's it. Not much you can do.

See also De Rossi. Pretty sure we could put in a bid Roma would accept, even now, but I don't think he has any desire to leave the club.
 
sincher said:
My point is: it doesn't matter how coherent the strategy is, it doesn't guarantee you will get what you want. Far from it.

I think the strategy was quite coherent, up to a point, but it hasn't worked. The worst thing we can do now is sling money around.
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Of course not. No one's suggesting it does. And as I said previously, I agree that we're probably better off standing back at this point rather than taking on an expensive mistake.

But, to me, the Thiago-Fabregas situation is a good example of where we seemed to drift a bit. Whatever happened with Thiago, it does seem that we had some sort of interest in him. Obviously he then went to Bayern. So it was either a case that he wanted to go to Bayern over us, which is fair enough, or Moyes didn't fancy him (which has been suggested and, again, fair enough). But, having seen that situation develop, we then moved for Fabregas. That may have been because we missed out on Thiago and moved on, or because we were always interested. Either way, we must have known - even if we were receiving encouragement - that our chances of getting him were pretty slim, given that they'd already lost Thiago, which meant Fabregas became even more important for them. Yet we seemed content to let things play out while most other clubs did their business. I think we've given ourselves no margin for error with the amount of time left and, as a result, we're more likely to make a mistake. I can't believe this was ever the intention and, let's be blunt, it could have been avoided. Herrera, Fellaini and De Rossi were all just as available a couple of weeks ago as they are now.
 
sincher said:
I am pretty sure that wasn't a factor either.

I think the agent wanted the move, we wanted the move, Barca weren't fussed, the player was never that keen and chose to stay - and that's it. Not much you can do.

See also De Rossi. Pretty sure we could put in a bid Roma would accept, even now, but I don't think he has any desire to leave the club.
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Alright. I disagree but its pure conjuncture so let it be.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
And for good reasons !

Not signing anybody this window is just unacceptable !

I will blame every single misstep Moyes makes this year on his lack of activity in the window if he doesn't make a signing ! And i'am talking midfielders, and i'am talking serious players, not maybay a squad player within 4 years and not talking useless players, we already have those in abundance on the midfield !

I want to ffing read some deal for us is ffing done !!! I am so frustrated this window, i think i'll explode if we don't bring anybody in come 2nd of September !!!
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I cant believe you got promoted
 
GloryHunter07 said:
I cant believe you got promoted
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Just had to vent my frustration for a bit.

I completely stand behind the content of my post. I think Moyes had made an absolute joke of this transfer window, and if he fails to bring in a good midfielder come the 2nd of september, i will be more frustrated about it, than you can imagine.

But i gess i shouldn't have expressed it that way i did. I'll keep my steam in, till the window is closed. But every passing day without a signing, and every rejected bid is making me angrier and angrier and angrier, and i will explode come the 2nd of septemeber if we have brought no one in !
 
As long as this transfer chaos doesn't affect the team from the inside, I'm kinda okay with it.

I'm just glad that 2nd of September is right ahead. There's no time for speculations, no more twitter madness, only pure actions will matter, now.

I can understand NoArroJusBeta a bit. It's time for our bosses to put their knickers on and make some business. We have absolutely nothing to lose and there are some quality players we can gain for the sake of the team.

Everything going in pair with this upcoming Liverpool clash which could make it even more interesting... so no pressure, right ?
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Just had to vent my frustration for a bit.

I completely stand behind the content of my post. I think Moyes had made an absolute joke of this transfer window, and if he fails to bring in a good midfielder come the 2nd of september, i will be more frustrated about it, than you can imagine.

But i gess i shouldn't have expressed it that way i did. I'll keep my steam in, till the window is closed. But every passing day without a signing, and every rejected bid is making me angrier and angrier and angrier, and i will explode come the 2nd of septemeber if we have brought no one in !
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I want a center mid too, but just chill out man. Will Felaini do?
 
GloryHunter07 said:
I want a center mid too, but just chill out man. Will Felaini do?
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I think Fellaini is a great player, and i think he can provide something we currently lack in our midfield. Although i have to admit, he hasn't been that brilliant come the start of the season.

But yes Fellaini would defiantly do for me.
 
These are the reasons people are pissed:

1) Woodward and Moyes talking up our spending power, "no budget... after the best players" blah, blah.

2) Our hilariously misguided attempt to get Barca to sell Cesc - the stupidly low bids. He is worth at least £40m and Barca would surely want a premium to consider selling.

3) Going for Fellaini so late when he had a relatively reasonable release clause/
 
KingMinger22 said:
These are the reasons people are pissed:

1) Woodward and Moyes talking up our spending power, "no budget... after the best players" blah, blah.

2) Our hilariously misguided attempt to get Barca to sell Cesc - the stupidly low bids. He is worth at least £40m and Barca would surely want a premium to consider selling.

3) Going for Fellaini so late when he had a relatively reasonable release clause/
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Also the late bids for De Rossi and Herrera. De Rossi's future was very much up in the air early in the summer but it got past a certain point and we could never expect to get him 4 days before the window closes. Herrera looks like it could be a complicated one in terms of the release clause and we've left ourselves no time to sort that out.. Just an absolute shambles.
 
Brophs said:
Of course not. No one's suggesting it does. And as I said previously, I agree that we're probably better off standing back at this point rather than taking on an expensive mistake.

But, to me, the Thiago-Fabregas situation is a good example of where we seemed to drift a bit. Whatever happened with Thiago, it does seem that we had some sort of interest in him. Obviously he then went to Bayern. So it was either a case that he wanted to go to Bayern over us, which is fair enough, or Moyes didn't fancy him (which has been suggested and, again, fair enough). But, having seen that situation develop, we then moved for Fabregas. That may have been because we missed out on Thiago and moved on, or because we were always interested. Either way, we must have known - even if we were receiving encouragement - that our chances of getting him were pretty slim, given that they'd already lost Thiago, which meant Fabregas became even more important for them. Yet we seemed content to let things play out while most other clubs did their business. I think we've given ourselves no margin for error with the amount of time left and, as a result, we're more likely to make a mistake. I can't believe this was ever the intention and, let's be blunt, it could have been avoided. Herrera, Fellaini and De Rossi were all just as available a couple of weeks ago as they are now.
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Pretty good summary of our approach to CM transfers this summer. In other words, our strategy has been at best misguided.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
And for good reasons !

Not signing anybody this window is just unacceptable !

I will blame every single misstep Moyes makes this year on his lack of activity in the window if he doesn't make a signing ! And i'am talking midfielders, and i'am talking serious players, not maybay a squad player within 4 years and not talking useless players, we already have those in abundance on the midfield !

I want to ffing read some deal for us is ffing done !!! I am so frustrated this window, i think i'll explode if we don't bring anybody in come 2nd of September !!!
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Think about your heart condition, waffle boy. ;)
 
I think this transfer window has been mishandled by our club, for obvious reasons (going for players who had a very small chance of joining us anyway, not demanding quick answers from players/clubs so we can quickly find other targets, wasting our time with stupid bids, treating Fellaini and Baines like inseparable twins, ...etc.) but I think it's the club rather than Moyes that was to blame. Any new manager of a big club gets to pick names before he starts managing the team and the club would make sure he can at least have a couple of players of his choice to start building his own team with..

I think it was a bit unfair (and dare I say disrespectful if we indeed end up signing nobody?) to Moyes, that he doesn't get to sign anybody, even though we're one of the biggest clubs in the world, and he was appointed as a manager long time ago, which gave us a lot of time to give him at least a welcome present.
 
It wasn't very fun for us - actually, it was a little scary at times, wondering whether we were going to sign Charlie Adam from Blackpool - but that night when Torres went to Chelsea and Carroll signed for Liverpool was great!

It was pretty inconvenient when the window closed at midnight and you'd still be hearing about new deals until 1am, but it was a lot more crazy I think. The 11pm deadline is much more sensible.
 
I think it's at 11pm because that's when it's midnight in the most of Europe.

I doubt we'll be involved in some major final day activity. I can't believe that Woodward who takes several weeks to 'prepare a bid' will somehow manage to sign two players from two different countries (Herrera and Fellaini). It's probably a case of one or another and I won't be surprised at all if we sign neither of them because we run out of time while preparing a bid.

Arsenal are in even more trouble because they probably need 2-3 players at least and have no realistic targets lined up.
 
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