2 picked, 1 blocked and 5 unpicked
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The Third Redcafe Sheep Draft
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Just judging by the auction draft tbh. Was tempted to pick him myself. Nice pick.Really? Am I that predictable?
Interesting, should try to vary things a bit...
Ha!
As suspected at least a couple of real heavyweights ended up not being picked.
My initial response would be:
@Snow Well played, sir.
Nice one by @The Stain too.
@Skizzo I love him, but really.
@Edgar Allan Pillow Upgrade on Skizzo's and Pat's pick. One could say. Nicely done - I would've said, if it weren't for the fact that you actually announced you'd do it. People didn't believe you, obviously - or didn't care.
But Jaysus, the bottom line is that some feckin' hot papas never made it to the dance floor here.
As suspected at least a couple of real heavyweights ended up not being picked.
My initial response would be:
@Snow Well played, sir.
Nice one by @The Stain too.
@Skizzo I love him, but really.
@Edgar Allan Pillow Upgrade on Skizzo's and Pat's pick. One could say. Nicely done - I would've said, if it weren't for the fact that you actually announced you'd do it. People didn't believe you, obviously - or didn't care.
But Jaysus, the bottom line is that some feckin' hot papas never made it to the dance floor here.
EDIT I meant @MJJ - not Edgar. Yashin, that is.
I didnt announce anything?
Cheers. If someone else had gone for him we'd both be fecked, relatively speaking ofc.
Noone went for any czech players.
Really expected Boniek, Yashin, Dzajic and Puskas to be first picked(and of course blocked). For those who didn't even get picked is not surprising as if they were blocked 2nd and 3rd choice would be tough as feck.
Well there are 3 that I can think of that were worth picking and was a bit of Russian roulette. Same for Romanian players.
I know - the entire comment was directed at Edgar. I thought he had picked Yashin.
Puskas was a dead cert. I figured Boniek for one too. DD was, for me, on par with at least three or four players - one of them being Bozsik, who was duly blocked. But a couple of the others were not - and went through unpicked and un-fancied.
Yashin was a bit of an X factor, I reckon - given the keeper thing. Still no grand upside to having a GOAT keeper - so there it is. But having Yashin is something - always will be, regardless.
The Romanian was fifty-fifty. Surprised nobody sprang for him, though.
Difference for me is those 3 were all final worthy vs 1 romanian. I just thought at least 2 of the czechs would get picked. Everyone thought the same so no mystery, really.
Yeah - so did I. They were both on my "not a chance" list.
If it wasn't for Stojkovic who is one of my favorite players I'll certainly would have went for the one of the two Czechs.Not sure if the third one is that great pick to be honest, given the other 2 picks already...
How highly rated is Stojkovic here anyways?
same, expected Bozsik, Dzajic and Boniek all to be blocked in first round....same as Puskas but i had to try(didnt know about the same nationality rule then) as he was an obvious pick so i hoped everyone will just let him go
When's the next criteria coming?
At a guesstimate more than anything, I would say: not very. He's more of an acquired taste than certain others.
Personally, I love him. I've even gone for him in previous drafts - a player I was utterly mesmerized by, seeing him at an impressionable age. And a player I still consider to be nothing short of great - no questions asked from me on that.
He is particularly interesting to me in this context, given who I went for myself in this round. Another genius, playing in a comparable role, who never fulfilled his potential in an undeniable (to most) sense, albeit for more tangible reasons than can be offered for Piksi.
Another way to look at it would be this: Ask a Red Star fan who is dry behind the ears who he fancies in an all-time context. I'll put good money on him mentioning both Piksi and - not least - my man before the guy who was blocked here, i.e. a certain Dejan Savićević.
Yeah I was very surprised. Around 1990 it was Stojkovic who was a cut above. The latter half of Savićević's career was a little more successful relative to Dragan's but their legacies are really shaped by what they did in the old Yugoslavia.
Sheep time
That's good assessment. Šekularac IMO was a good choice as well, was on my list if Stojkovic was blocked. For me he was a genius as a kid I used to watch videos of him as injuries troubled him and then back in 98 when a 34 years old Stojkovic tore Germany apart in that 2-2 draw.
I think both Sekularac and Stojkovic would possibly compliment pretty well each other as well. I'm also interested in seeing who will you pair him in the middle.
Savicevic struggled a lot in Milan for playing time and unable to play at international level in his prime didn't do good to his resume as well. I had him for the third round choice as I'd imagine not many will pick him...
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Just sayin', since we're on the subject - and since many non-regulars may not be familiar with Šekularac at all:
I'm not going to do any soapboxin' on his behalf at this stage (not that he needs it). Suffice it to say that this is a player who easily grabs a starting spot in an all-time Yugoslavia (including present-day countries that were part of said nation) XI. That should tell you all you need to know, really. One of the trickiest players to ever dribble a football and a genuine legend of the game. In terms of these drafts I guess you could say he's the very poster boy for the “wasn't allowed to leave in his prime” argument. Juve were willing to pay a world record fee for his services after the '62 World Cup – but, as suggested, he wasn't allowed to leave Yugoslavia.
Much more to follow, of course, on this player.
Unless I lose him in some sort of swap-meet shenanigans - in which case he's an overrated nobody.
I'm not going to do any soapboxin' on his behalf at this stage (not that he needs it). Suffice it to say that this is a player who easily grabs a starting spot in an all-time Yugoslavia (including present-day countries that were part of said nation) XI. That should tell you all you need to know, really. One of the trickiest players to ever dribble a football and a genuine legend of the game. In terms of these drafts I guess you could say he's the very poster boy for the “wasn't allowed to leave in his prime” argument. Juve were willing to pay a world record fee for his services after the '62 World Cup – but, as suggested, he wasn't allowed to leave Yugoslavia.
Much more to follow, of course, on this player.
Unless I lose him in some sort of swap-meet shenanigans - in which case he's an overrated nobody.
I hope you'll sell him well
He's the sort of player I love more than anything - but very rarely get to sell.
So, I will do my best - I can promise you that much.
I think we'll have a bit of an uphill battle with our choices then. I expected that both Stojkovic and Sekularac to be much more popular than say Savicevic...
At least we can agree that going for a Yugoslavian player this round was the safest bet on getting a great player. Biggest group of players on my list.
Maybe Russian as well. Surprised that some names weren't picked from Ukraine/SS.
If i'm going to be brutally honest; i completely missed that them russians were available to pick from
But not Ukraine.Savicevic was a great player.
Stick a pure DM behind them - and deploy those two as attacking midfielders (some sort of timeless interpretation of the old inside forward role) in front of him...and you'd terrorize your opponent in a style never seen outside the realm of fantasy. But WITHIN the realm of fantasy - which is actually where we operate, in spite of what some people seem to think, such a thing could actually work. Not to say it WOULD work - to a devastating degree.
You'd need a pure finisher up front - but that's do-able (many of those around). Wingers you wouldn't actually need - stick a couple of token "wingers" on the flanks to make it look good on paper - but in reality all you'd need is them two feckers in them AM/inside forward roles, and a deadly bastard lurking in the box.
No way. Savicevic was part of Capello's Milan! The other two were not established in Europe and so relatively harder to sell.
What do you guys think of Stoichkov as a false 9?
No, Savicevic is generally appreciated on here - at least in my experience.
Rightly so, be it said - he was a monster in his prime.
But if people on here are familiar with any single event which serves to define any of those three players, it would be the '94 final - in which Savicevic shone, humiliating a Barca side featuring both The Dagger and another guy who ain't too shabby.
Savicevic was voted 2nd in the Ballon poll - higher than any of our boys. Plus:
* He played against United, looking good.
* Is more recent, all things considered.
So, I don't find it surprising at all that he will be generally more appreciated on here than either of our boys.
But he's out of the running, ain't he? So, we don't have to worry about him.
I'm one of those people who were blown away by the '94 final, by the way. And I have nothing but the utmost respect for Savicevic as a footballer. But in the grand scheme of things, he may fall short nevertheless. Look at those players they deem the five "stars" of the...er, star (Red Star, that is). That ain't anybody.
It would be comparable to United fans deciding, ultimately, that Scholes wasn't quite as good as Best. Hardly a damning verdict.
It's more like United fans saying Veron is not as good as Scholes. Not that Veron is anyway bad, but then...he's not Scholes.
Nah, they are better off as #10 in a 4-2-3-1 set up. Playing them together will invite a lot of too lightweight type comments.
Depends exactly what you mean by the term - and who you want him to...interact with, as a false nine.
To go with a gloriously contradictory term, I'd say a true false nine has to be better at orchestrating/passing than Stoichkov was. Not that he was terrible by any means - but even Messi lacks something in that department compared to a real, top-of-the-line playmaker.
Looking back at my pick, I am actually quite happy that I got Netto in the end. When I started reading up on him and watching the Euro 1960 final, I have come to appreciate him much more than before. My hope is that I can sell him well enough to make people appreciate his talents and realise that he is one of the best, if not the best, Soviet player to ever play the sport.
It's more like United fans saying Veron is not as good as Scholes. Not that Veron is anyway bad, but then...he's not Scholes.
Ha! You're miles off there - on the gin again?
I am - truthfully, actually. About the gin, I mean. A G&T served with a slice of cucumber - barbaric as it may sound, it actually works very nicely.
But, yeah - you're way off the mark. Veron is a nobody in a United context. Savicevic is in a very different category, being an undoubted part of the grand team that won the European Cup. Red Star fans nevertheless consider both Piksi and Dragoslav greater players - that is just a facht, as the waiter who now approaches me would no doubt agree.
I agree with Chester and don't think there is any reason to play him in that role.
He would be much better as one of the wing forwards in that formation - Which IMO is the harder role to recruit for so it's a good thing.
This is the side me and @Thisistheone made with a similar theme in mind:
There's that one Ukrainian I thought so sure to get blocked and didn't pick...If i'm going to be brutally honest; i completely missed that them russians were available to pick from
Anyway, when's the next round?