Could be great could be another PR article after Ralfs sacking. Only time will tell.
The Telegraph: The Secrets of Uniteds Summer Rebuild
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It's May...what action would you like to have seen by now?
We are negotiating deals with new players.
Letting several go
Rangnick has gone
New manager in.
We have been so badly run over the past ten years. You do not have to be great but you can't be bad.
I sense a big change.
The changes could already be happening without us seeing them. i.e certain signings Ed would have been all over walked away from. Players Ed would have given 10+ contracts to now being allowed to leave. A change in the player/manager relationship...etc
Was the Florida Question a question as to whether the owners are committed to this? Or what?
The stories coming out since the season ended feel a little different to the past. It was always very obvious that Woodward didn't know what he was doing and wanted too much power. The new guy seems to at least be letting more qualified people do their jobs.
But yes, actions speak louder and the way the post-Ferguson era has gone I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it all mounts to nothing.
I agree with you that the manager role was a failure, he could have made better choices but also he didn't get any help from the players nor the board. If he could have stayed on for this summer and help Murtaugh and Fletcher it would have been good.
Must be hard to live in a state of apathy some posters on here live in, what they are saying here is all the things most wanted to happen but now they are happening its PR etc
Like that sat in a meeting an all watched his interview.All a bunch of rubbish to me as soon as I seen that word. Just buz words using there “in the know guy” to the fans as usual.
How many times have they temperature checked the fans using Neville. He doesn’t know what the fans want guys.
I'm with you,it's far easier to be negative than positive.
I think the off field changes will work and should have happened years ago,however on the field we can recruit better but it's dependent on getting the coach right,you don't have to have the best 11 year players in the world Liverpool prove that,get a coach that can build a team, have a way of playing and good things will follow
The problem is what experience is there that these changes are ones that are going to merit benefits in the next decade or so. I still feel for the gravity of his responsibility there needs to be a more prominent individual or at least something working closely with Murtough to see these changes through.
The timing is suspicious. And I don't believe in coincidences anymore if it relates to utd.
https://www.kornferry.com/
I like the sound of having motivated and empowered department heads and, although I'm very sceptical of consultants, from their website this one doesn't sound that appalling. On the other hand I'll wager they know absolutely feck all about football so if someone came and interviewed me whilst purporting to be a specialist about my very niche job I rather suspect I'd be quite annoyed. All depends how it's done I guess and how supported you feel.
I have suspected for a while that there must be a lot of improvements clubs could make on the football side by appointing non-football (and crucially non-finance!) people. People with real world experience of getting things done and improving organisations such as in manufacturing, construction or logistics. As ever, wait and see, these could all be great moves that we're making but so far the only positive, concrete action to come out of the changes is to hire Ten Hag. Everything else is effectively just "not doing something stupid". But you still have to do things, and do them pretty soon.
I like the sound of having motivated and empowered department heads and, although I'm very sceptical of consultants, from their website this one doesn't sound that appalling. On the other hand I'll wager they know absolutely feck all about football so if someone came and interviewed me whilst purporting to be a specialist about my very niche job I rather suspect I'd be quite annoyed. All depends how it's done I guess and how supported you feel.
I have suspected for a while that there must be a lot of improvements clubs could make on the football side by appointing non-football (and crucially non-finance!) people. People with real world experience of getting things done and improving organisations such as in manufacturing, construction or logistics. As ever, wait and see, these could all be great moves that we're making but so far the only positive, concrete action to come out of the changes is to hire Ten Hag. Everything else is effectively just "not doing something stupid". But you still have to do things, and do them pretty soon.
Honestly, is this post repeated word for word right before every new manager starts? (except when Ole started, then the fans wanted a super nice manager)
(to be followed 12-18 months later with, "He's being so mean to Pogba/Lingard/Shaw/tbd")
Of course, I suppose Pogba and Lingard won't be here to kick around anymore.
Big Dick Arnold can't keep a secret.
The Caf when there is some positive news - This is a shit tier source, can‘t be true, its PR work at it‘s best, you can’t trust anyone etc.
The Caf when there is some negative news - This is the absolute truth, the word of God, and anyone who dare not believe it must likely spawn from hell.
Not specific to this thread, more of an observation.
The Caf when there is some negative news - This is the absolute truth, the word of God, and anyone who dare not believe it must likely spawn from hell.
Not specific to this thread, more of an observation.
The negativity is too much at times.
We clearly have seen the changes at the club, we seen the new hiring, the structure changes, the ones who have been moved on behind the scenes, all the stuff that people have been crying about, but the same folk seem to be shooting down all this stuff that has been happening, as its the usual same United PR.
Either it's real poor attempt at humour, or they being melters for the sake of being it.
On the Florida question: too many things requiring sign-off from the Glazers, thus slowing down processes and decisions-making, with the added spice of "bottomline before scoreline" becoming a common turn of phrase among staff.
I guess the question is will the football people be empowered, or will there continue to be micromanagement from Florida?
The article on the whole seems too critical to be a PR piece, and it points to several changes that are already underway.
I agree. They seem to think that if you keep Neville happy you keep the fans happy which is absolute bollocks considering the complete guff he has come out with over the years.
All a bunch of rubbish to me as soon as I seen that word. Just buz words using there “in the know guy” to the fans as usual.
How many times have they temperature checked the fans using Neville. He doesn’t know what the fans want guys.
This observation is largely correct, although it's perhaps worth pointing out that those who have reasoned this way for the last 10 years will invariably have been proven right.
Well he was just one of any number of names I could have used. Getting rid of substandard players and attitudes are equally important and if the majority are still here then we can't expect much change
It's a little hard to buy changes when the club rushes to the media with them - just like it did prior to those changes.
Changes are obviously being made. I'm just skeptical about them being correct or good enough.
Why would the manager have the power to decide who consults the club/Murtough? Does he have the power to tell Murtough he should go as well?
Talk is cheap.
It’s all PR with nice buzz words, but doesn’t mean it’s not happening, I believe it all is, it has to otherwise we’d be relegated in about 5 years..
I'm very happy to see us take a serious look at club structure and organisation. We've all suspected that the issues are much deeper than the first team, and now we're actually seeing processes begun that look to address that. I'm pleasantly surprised by Arnold so far. First Rangnick came in and basically blew up all illusions about the first team and now he's hiring a top consultancy business to trim the fat and create a better work culture for an elite business behind the scenes. Now, Rangnick should never have been a manager - should probably have been a consultant - but the whole United DNA and "we are world class because we are Man Utd" nonsense is finally gone. As a bonus, Ten Hag had his first day in the job today. All in all, some fairly good news coming out today.
Oh, I'm sure changes are happening. How much help will all those big words will be for the actual issue of playing football, remains to be seen.
Anyhow, when this "new United" use the same PR tactics as the old one, I remain sceptical.
That’s how to fix all our problems. Hire a team of management consultants. Christ.
Not sure how well he's going to go down with a lot of our over entitled players - he's a proper no nonsense, tell you when you are shit cloggy.
Encouraging but it would take any halfwit a few hours to go through threads on here and conduct such a fan-pleasing briefing. It's also foolish not to recognise they have people with a PR remit.
Done with getting excited about structural changes and grand plans. Let's see what happens and then we can judge if we're on the right course.
Done with getting excited about structural changes and grand plans. Let's see what happens and then we can judge if we're on the right course.
But hopefully most those entitled player’s will be gone, out of contract or sold..
If true that's a serious renovation job. £5 million for that kind of project is not insignificant. Good news.
Can't help but be cynical after years and years of bullsh*t and I will believe it when i see proof that things have gotten better. I remember LVG's altering the training pitches and getting the group of players to sit together in the canteen, Ole's "rebuilding the culture" and looking at 800+ right backs and settling on AWB, Ralf's extensive knowledge of building clubs up etc etc. All PR nonsense.
I mean show how much of a shite show it was.
This day and age ETH’s work phone should be telling him how much macros each player has consumed from the dinner canteen.
I hate to break it to you but it's not even that, it's worse. People will skim read the headline and see 'consultants' but Korn Ferry are no McKinsey, BCG or Bain...they are a recruiter, albeit a respected one.
Hope the team of consultant recommend the club to appoint more personal with proper CV to rebuild one of the biggest club in the world. So far all the key appointments are mainly from within and worst of all from Woodward's failed team.
What is “The Florida question”?
It sounds good, but sometimes when these things are happening, if you're actually involved as an employee or speak to one you realise it's very watered down and not particularly useful in practice. Can also cause unrest amongst staff if handled poorly, sometimes where it's not necessary. Let's hope that's not the case and they're really on top of it, and everyone involved wants better.
Would love to know the four players we apparently were interested in then decided not to pursue