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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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I think this is basically right. Spurs are a level above where they were in the pre-Redknapp PL era but have been bumbling along with a similar points haul under a bunch of different managers for the last 7 or 8 seasons. A level below the top teams but always able to give them a fright in a season where they take their eye off the ball. Hard to know what changed around 09/10 though. Anyone got any theories?

Gareth Bale basically I think.
 
He was a left back who never won a game for a season or two though. When did you sign him?

Signed in 07/08 - started to play well for us from 08/09 then became an absolute machine from 11/12-12/13. His impact - plus the signing of Modric in the 08/09 season was the catalyst for what happened afterwards. In particular Bale though who obviously became a major star while playing for us and then gave us a fortune in transfer payments when he left - some of which was wasted but we did buy Eriksen who to me has been our most important and transformative signing since Bale.
 
Signed in 07/08 - started to play well for us from 08/09 then became an absolute machine from 11/12-12/13. His impact - plus the signing of Modric in the 08/09 season was the catalyst for what happened afterwards. In particular Bale though who obviously became a major star while playing for us and then gave us a fortune in transfer payments when he left - some of which was wasted but we did buy Eriksen who to me has been our most important and transformative signing since Bale.

Ok, then. Your theory is sound.
 
Redknapp wanted to sell Bale to Forest or Birmingham.

He will deny it until the cows come home but us Spurs fans remember how close it was to happening.

Give us Gareth Bale now and we would IMHO win this league, he's so much better than anybody else playing in it.
 
Give us Gareth Bale now and we would IMHO win this league, he's so much better than anybody else playing in it.
I think if any of the top 6 had Bale, they'd be winning the league. If he stayed fit, at least. Him, Suarez and Ronaldo are the three best players this league has had in the last decade or so. Pity they all fecked off to Spain.
 
Signed in 07/08 - started to play well for us from 08/09 then became an absolute machine from 11/12-12/13. His impact - plus the signing of Modric in the 08/09 season was the catalyst for what happened afterwards. In particular Bale though who obviously became a major star while playing for us and then gave us a fortune in transfer payments when he left - some of which was wasted but we did buy Eriksen who to me has been our most important and transformative signing since Bale.

In terms of improving our competitiveness our most important signing since Bale left is Alderweireld, he's the best CB in the PL and has made a huge difference to our solidity.

The overall must important signing since Bale left is without doubt Dele Alli, simply because if he was to leave it would be for a world record fee.
 
I think if any of the top 6 had Bale, they'd be winning the league. If he stayed fit, at least. Him, Suarez and Ronaldo are the three best players this league has had in the last decade or so. Pity they all fecked off to Spain.

True enough!
 
In terms of improving our competitiveness our most important signing since Bale left is Alderweireld, he's the best CB in the PL and has made a huge difference to our solidity.

The overall must important signing since Bale left is without doubt Dele Alli, simply because if he was to leave it would be for a world record fee.

Dele Alli? I'm not sure.

He's a really good, young player, and he's English, but 90m...?

I personally rate Alli above Pogba, but the record is set at 90m and for me, if someone came in with a 50-70m bid for Alli, and he wanted to go, it'd happen.
 
Dele Alli? I'm not sure.

He's a really good, young player, and he's English, but 90m...?

I personally rate Alli above Pogba, but the record is set at 90m and for me, if someone came in with a 50-70m bid for Alli, and he wanted to go, it'd happen.

With Levy, lol no chance. Levy isn't in the habit of underselling his assets.
 
Ok mate, don't worry.

You think it's irrelevant when a team picks points, a win is always 3, be it September or may. I think titles are lost and won towards the end of the season, when the pressure gets to the players/managers and they bottle it.;)
You can win the league by picking up 57/57 in the first half of the season when there's no pressure and 23/57 in the 2nd half when there's all the pressure. So no, the league is won over 38 games, not the final run in.

Show me some evidence that title winning teams get significantly more points at the pressure end, and that's consistent season to season. You can't.
 
You can win the league by picking up 57/57 in the first half of the season when there's no pressure and 23/57 in the 2nd half when there's all the pressure. So no, the league is won over 38 games, not the final run in.

Show me some evidence that title winning teams get significantly more points at the pressure end, and that's consistent season to season. You can't.

Imagine chelsea playing city in the first game of the season compared to Chelsea playing city in April when they are first and second in the premier league. What game is more important? And what game is more decisive for the title?

It's useless to bring up stats in this conversation, as I said and I will repeat that it has nothing to do with a team bottling it.
 
No one denies the fact that Spurs have improved in recent times. From "it's spurs lads" to having to catch up with you in the table. What you're missing is a trophy. You have the team, manager and soon will have the financial pull to add more quality to your side. And if you don't win a trophy soon, you will become the new Arsenal, which I am sure, no Spurs supporter would like.
Ahem, the new Leeds
 
What the feck have I just read.. as if we'd entertain selling that lot any of our players let alone two rising stars.. who even thinks both would go to such a club who lets have it right, achieve nothing of any note each season.
 
That is absolutely priceless! I thought it was just the few spurs fans I know who are completely deluded. Apparently there are some more of the same. Course, every club has deluded fans. Mad winger anyone...
 
They really are an enigma. They haven't won anything in an ungodly amount of time, can't get out of the CL group stages whilst gifted an easy group and consistently bottle big games/runs, which i would bet a wad they will do again when the pressure to make top 4 really turns up. Yet they think it's realistic that they will take two of Manchester United's biggest prospects :lol:. Someone needs to check the water supply in North London ASAP.

Their fans both online and in general have really increased their volume over the past couple of years which i find really bizarre as we have won more and had more success than them in our shittest years in a long time than they have in their best. They also overrate their squad to levels higher than even their next door neighbours do, making out like those clumsy feckers Harry labotomy and Scally Alli are the next Henry and Ronaldo:nono:, madness considering how limited they are.

They have become a cheap version of who they hate the most and it's fecking hilarious to see. All the hallmarks are there; overrated English spine, idealistic stubborn manager, delusional over demanding fans, North London and the tits bottle more than a nuclear fusion powered breast pump... I Really hope we get to play them in the EL final.

On a side note, it's probably the last season in a long time we will have to listen to them annoying fecks because they will leave White heart lane. Wembley and then the new Americanised stadium will set them back 10 years:devil:.
 
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Christ, Spurs fans are bloody deluded aren't they?

I have a good friend who is an Arsenal fan and he told me once that Spuds are as bad as Liverpool fans when it comes to delusion. I was like, no way. But after reading @GlastonSpur posts since I joined here and the posts on Fighting Cock, he may have a point.

That's what happens when you have only won two trophies since the 1960s I suppose :lol:
 
Football fans in talking complete crap shocker - let's be honest, all clubs have deluded fans. I've read some crazy stuff spouted in here as well! Anyway, fighting cock is known to be like that and has a higher percentage of delusion than most Spurs forums. One of the main reasons I do not frequent that forum.
 
Football fans in talking complete crap shocker - let's be honest, all clubs have deluded fans. I've read some crazy stuff spouted in here as well! Anyway, fighting cock is known to be like that and has a higher percentage of delusion than most Spurs forums. One of the main reasons I do not frequent that forum.

worse than RAWK or Blue Moon ???
 
When it comes to deluded fans, rawk wins by a mile.

Probably though I'm sure if you spoke to the average Liverpool fan many of them would be embarassed by some of the stuff posted on RAWK, same with Spurs fans and the Fighting Cock tbh. I frequent one main spurs forum and it's pretty balanced - with the odd deluded fan here and there but generally it's great. Same with this forum which I like very much because you get a real mix of football fans from many teams all mixing well but with the odd moron.
 
Probably though I'm sure if you spoke to the average Liverpool fan many of them would be embarassed by some of the stuff posted on RAWK, same with Spurs fans and the Fighting Cock tbh. I frequent one main spurs forum and it's pretty balanced - with the odd deluded fan here and there but generally it's great. Same with this forum which I like very much because you get a real mix of football fans from many teams all mixing well but with the odd moron.

Fans in real life are different than on internet, that's for sure. And more often than not they are more down to earth and realistic. Apart from west ham fans, especially last year :lol:
 
I thought I already answered most of your points and didn't want to repeat myself, that's why I ignored the rest of your post. You're assuming that it's a given Spurs would have performed better/got a result yesterday if they adjusted their tactics to something that doesn't really suit their squad but at the same time fits better against Liverpool. I don't take that as a given and believe they could have lost anyway considering the performance Liverpool showed and the missing players in the Spurs side. This Spurs team isn't necessarily suited to defend deep and play that way, therefore not really comfortable exploiting the flaws in Klopp's tactics. If that's the case, sticking to what you're good at, can be just as successful if not more than adjusting to the opponent. You can't really compare it to weaker sides, who play that way all season long and get a few positive results against the odds when playing top teams.

Comparing Poch's general tactical approach to Martinez is a bit silly, Poch is much more flexible and cynical anyway and I said various times that he made a few mistakes yesterday and will learn from them.

However, I still believe in my general point, that trying to find solutions to beat a pressing team like Klopp's Liverpool side through technical football rather than by defending deep and playing long balls is the way for English clubs to improve in European competitions. The fact that you'll get a few bad defeats on the way until you've found a way to do it, doesn't mean that it's the wrong approach in general.

Just thought this was an interesting conversation so bringing it back up
I take your point about spurs not having the players available but i disagree about the best way to beat this liverpool side and think calling it long ball is a bit reductive
With henderson, wijnaldum and lallana they've got an extremely hard working, athlethic midfield but its supported by coutinho playing quite narrow (and working quite hard too), firmino dropping deep and milner joining in making the midfield just a total swamp with a lot of possession turnovers and them being rather good at picking up the second ball.

Honestly i think prime iniesta, xavi, busquets would have a hard time playing through their midfield. Like spurs are by far and away the most suitable team to play them at their own game in this league and i dont think the result was down to just injuries and a bad day.
Apart from the obvious advantages of playing the ball forward quickly its about your wingers pinning their full backs in their own half so you have some breathing space. Its about spreading them out a bit as the midfield is just ridiculously congested. Also if you can isolate their cb's, they really struggle.

Their attack is based heavily on possesion turnovers too, they're just not very good at picking their way through a defence.
If you try to take liverpool on at gegenpressing your going to lose, simple as. They've sacrificed a lot elsewhere to be as good at it as they are so it'd be foolish not to take advantage of that imo.
 
Well in the day I said Spurs were the team I like more to watch in England, this...

To be fair I mentioned their best performances are always at home,they will trash Gent.
 
It'll be interesting to see how quickly they manage to reverse this form...

I think their next 2 games are both games they'll win, and the Fulham game will be a great match I think, there'll be goals in that game for sure.
 
Lots of their players aren't what they are made out to be. Once they run into a side that's well set out, they are bound to struggle. Sadly for them it looks like the big men at the club dont really have a clue on how to improve the squad.
They're missing a few key players in fairness to them.
Surely missing a few players isn't an excuse to lose to Gent. Plus it was the coaches choice not to play Eriksen.
 
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