Only if Poch chooses to change his tactics completely and play with wingers. I can't see that ever happening though. We do have N'Koudou who is a very quick option off the bench though he hasn't yet had much of a chance to play so hard to know if he will be much good or not.
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Only if Poch chooses to change his tactics completely and play with wingers. I can't see that ever happening though. We do have N'Koudou who is a very quick option off the bench though he hasn't yet had much of a chance to play so hard to know if he will be much good or not.
So they are bottle jobs if we 'forget everyone elses position'? Ok mate nice one you sure got me there.
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I think if you bought a pacier wide forward who was also a very good goalscorer it would take you up a level. I think your club would have hoped Son could have developed into that player.
Son is pretty quick that's true and I think he has been a good signing for us overall though he is very inconsistent. At 24 years old he has his best years ahead of him and has room to improve so I still think he could do a great job for us. Though long term I see him more as a good quality squad player rather than a starter. I agree about the pacey wide forward but they are expensive and given our current financial circumstances we have to work with what we have. I think we have really missed Lamela's creativity tbh - he may not be very quick but he can pick a pass and is a very hard working player in forward areas for us, something we are lacking I think.
Really poor post with little to no understanding of football in general let alone the DNA of a club.
That stat is damning, and although I've got Spuds mates in real life who have no problem at all freely admitting that there is obviously a 'bottling' issue at the club, not a single online Spuds fan will acknowledge it.
It's a bit like the dippers when talking about Suarez' behaviour or Gerrard's slip, they simply won't go there.
That collapse last season was psychological, that record in the post from Zoo is one born of psychological limitations.
One trophy in 25 years - a League Cup 10 years ago - is pathetic given some of the teams they've had in that time. It's a culture of being 'nearly-men'.
What this Spurs side needs is experience, no doubt. They need a few players who've been there and actually won titles. They needed it last season during their collapse and they've needed it this season during their piss-poor CL display, and they certainly could've used some experience at the weekend.
They need their own Cantona figure to drag these young players over the line, and to keep it together when the mentality of the team hits these trademark Spurs weak patches.
No he hasn't he has said we lack quality in depth, and he's 100% right. He was unhappy after the Wycombe game and said players in the squad need to have the type of quality to be better in games. He also said he realises that 13 or 14 quality players isn't enough, that we are building a good squad but we aren't there and we have some difficulties. The game at the weekend just emphasised the point, just 2 defensive players missing drastically reduced both our options and our quality.
Incidentally, Poch has had 3 years at Spurs, the numbers of 1st team squad players in and outs will surprise you:
Year 1:
In: 7 Out: 6
Year 2:
In: 5 Out: 9
Year 3:
In: 5 Out: 6
Total:
In: 17 Out: 21
These numbers don't include loans.
If you think it will be 1 player in and 1 or 2 out then so be it. Pochettino's history and comments tells us otherwise. He's not here to make up the numbers and to be nice to his squad players, he's pretty ruthless. Players get their chance and if they don't take it or show enough quality he's already proved that he won't hesitate to pull the trigger.
There is no point us pretending that our squad is as strong as the 5 teams around us, with the exception of Liverpool it's not. We want to win, to win you need to be ruthless and to throw sentiment and niceties out of the window where they belong, personally I'm confident that Poch will do precisely that.
All teams need leaders, we have leaders but could always have more. With the exception of Newcastle last season when the players had chucked it in we don't rollover and die for anybody.
We haven't seen Spurs capitulate this season like Utd and Arsenal did at Chelsea or like Chelsea did at Arsenal, or on occasion like City have.
The reason we haven't won the PL is because we haven't been good enough. What happened with Leicester last year was a freak, but the reality is Spurs never got close to them, we had a poor start and were a lot of points behind all of the top clubs and it was only about now that we even scrambled our way into the top 3 and then the top 2.
The lack of bottle argument for all clubs is weak, these are top pro's playing for the big clubs, they've had to prove their mental resolve throughout their careers at club and international level. People talk about bottle all the time and as soon as a club loses a game they lost because 'they lack bottle', there are so many factors involved that to narrow it down to bottle is actually beyond stupid.
Spurs wont be winning anything anytime soon, no amount of boiled piss on forums will change that fact, theyre not winning the league and they aint winning the europa, FA cup or any other trophy for that matter.
They arent a title winning side and dont have title winning players, hence eventually when a couple get fed up of coming so close only to fail eventually will leave Poch included, if REAL or Barca come in for him hell be off.
They arent a title winning side and dont have title winning players, hence eventually when a couple get fed up of coming so close only to fail eventually will leave Poch included, if REAL or Barca come in for him hell be off.
Got next week's lottery numbers?
Going by history he's correct though. It's like the same lottery numbers being pulled out every week over the last 30 years.
And the same players playing 30 years ago are playing today aren't they?
No, but you have same trophies in your cabinet.
I've got news for you, if Real or Barca want any of your players they'll be off too, but you can relax about your manager as he's already failed at Real.
So the answer is 'no', thanks for clearing that up.
De Gea still here! Good ol fax machine Granted he wasn't our player at the time, but weren't Real interested in Pogba this summer?
If Real really wanted Pogba he wouldn't be at Utd, deep down even you know that you do have anywhere near the pull that they do, they are Real Madrid!
Can't argue with the fact that as a club we have failed to win titles and trophies. There have been reasons for it but mainly the club has been mis-managed for decades. Having said all that, the past is the past and we need to assess the situation as it stands now. We are a much better team now than we have been in many, many years and we also seem to have a great manager. Are we good enough to win a title? Right now probably not but we are only about as far away from it as many of the other 'big' clubs in the league. We are good enough now to be in the mix for the top 4 which for our club is good progress. Maybe in the next few years we can be good enough to win a title but who knows. We should be pushing hard to win a trophy at this stage though and if we fail to win anything in the next year or two that has to go down as a failure the way the club is progressing.
To say we aren't winning any trophy though when we are still in the FA cup and the Europa League is a bit presumptuous though. We have as much chance of winning them as anyone else at this stage.
I'm not even sure thats true, they we're priced out
Same mentality around the club. That's why St Totteringhams day exists after all.
For all of your improvement the phrase 'It's only Spurs lads' still rings true when you travel away to the big boys.
Is last Sunday too far in the past for you to remember? Were it not for Lloris it would have been far worse for you lot.
Glaston's got competition, I see.
By failure, you mean winning the only La liga title Real has in years and consistently taking them to semis of CL when they used to fail at the group stages, and even if momentarily, stopping what was possibly the best football team ever, then yes he was a failure.
Poch is a good manager, but he has done shit till now.
Well to be fair, we have turned what used to be defeats into draws this season which is a bit of an improvement but I know what you mean. We have failed to defeat our main rivals away from home - that is something that we desperately need to overcome if we are to really be considered title contenders.
Finally, a post that actually acknowledges some of your deficiencies rather than getting back at posters with jibes that has nothing to do with spurs.
Can tell they've touched a nerve with that one
You are contenders though. If MP had any sort of gameplan away to the big sides you would be now be odds on favourites to defend the league title that you won last year.
That's slightly unfair I think as certainly the game vs Liverpool was an example of our squad not being strong enough to cover injuries to several key players, in particular Rose. You could argue Poch could have set up the team better but imo it was the lack of Rose that made it very difficult for us. Poch is a young manager who is still learning his way and yes he needs to improve as do our players. I believe he can improve and will, as will the players.
Summer was a massive missed opportunity for them, with CL on offer they could've added more quality to their XI and squad but failed to capitalize that opportunity and as a result you get performance like Saturday with 2 first teamers out. I look at their starting XI and it's basically last years team with exception of Wanyama, who has done well this season but his limitations were exposed badly against Liverpool.
Also, they are extremely over-reliant on their fullbacks and Eriksen for any creativity. Eriksen especially who is at heart of everything they create through the middle. Once Liverpool crowded him out on Saturday they couldn't get going. Alli is also being utilized further forward this season, Wanyama has taken position of Dier and is nowhere near as good on the ball which means burden has increased on Dembele and Eriksen to provide any quality through the middle. Role of full backs has also increased this season, Walker and Rose to their credit have delivered so far but an injury to either of them and it has a massive impact on their game. While Tripper is a good substitute for Walker, Davies is far from an appropriate solution in absence of Rose.
It's premature to write off their chances of silverware this season and while Top 4 race remains wide open, Spurs have to spend big this summer and add more quality because if the ambition is to compete on all fronts, you need to have dependable options off the bench.
Also, they are extremely over-reliant on their fullbacks and Eriksen for any creativity. Eriksen especially who is at heart of everything they create through the middle. Once Liverpool crowded him out on Saturday they couldn't get going. Alli is also being utilized further forward this season, Wanyama has taken position of Dier and is nowhere near as good on the ball which means burden has increased on Dembele and Eriksen to provide any quality through the middle. Role of full backs has also increased this season, Walker and Rose to their credit have delivered so far but an injury to either of them and it has a massive impact on their game. While Tripper is a good substitute for Walker, Davies is far from an appropriate solution in absence of Rose.
It's premature to write off their chances of silverware this season and while Top 4 race remains wide open, Spurs have to spend big this summer and add more quality because if the ambition is to compete on all fronts, you need to have dependable options off the bench.
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When you say spend big you have to remember that in the entire history of our club our two biggest ever signings have been close to £30million. We are constrained a lot with the stadium build obviously so we have to be careful with how we spend our cash and on whom - obviously this seemed to go all out the window with the Sissoko signing and I don't think you will find a single Spurs fan out there who understands why we spent all that cash on him but all clubs make mistakes in the transfer market I guess, you just have to hope you get more right than you get wrong.
And in the next breath you argue that we should be looking to only strengthen our squad by signing 1 or max 2 players this summer? Surely you can't have it both ways?
We were missing 2 key players plus Lamela who has been out for months, and our whole game plan and set-up suffered drastically because of it. Poch doesn't trust Wimmer, that much is clear, he was forced to go with Davies that is also clear. Because he doesn't trust Wimmer we were forced to play 4 at the back and also lost any width and game management on our left side.
We had no effective attacking threat sitting in the bench, that is also clear.
We are close to giving the big spending too teams a real run for their money but we need more depth of quality, if we address that this summer we will be much better equipped next season, if if we do have to play at that soulless crap hole every other week.
Do we have to keep going over this? Please find a single quote when I have said I don't think we need to strengthen. I have never said that. I have said that I believe the club will change one or two players and bring in maybe one more to boost first team immediately - that is what I THINK will happen vs what I WOULD LIKE to happen which would be for us to spend 50-80 million on 3 or 4 first teamers or top notch reserves. Notice how what I WANT and what I THINK WILL OCCUR are different.
Mourinho at Real is remembered as a failure, in fact he's largely despised by most Real fans.
Forgetting Spain's version of the charity shield he won 2 trophies in 3 years and didnt make a CL final. If you think that at the worlds greatest football club that's classed as a success then you are sorely mistaken.
That's not what you've said but no problem, let's park it.
With the stadium construction it will be a difficult situation and comparable to an extent to Arsenal who for a long time were reliant on money raised from the players they sold to do any activity in the window. Spurs have been similar in that regards as net spend would tell you that. Excellent recruiting with gems like Alli for 5 million, Alderweireld for 12 million, Dier for 4 million etc. are the reason why Spurs are so competitive now but ultimately signings like them and for that price are exception rather than norm. For every Alli there is Njie and Nkoudou, so ultimately something will have to give and Spurs will have to pay top dollars going for quality players along with the wages otherwise it'll be eerily similar to the situation at Arsenal where they have continuously tried to find these gems and struggled to retain their best players due to a strict wage structure.
That is what I have said, or at least that's been the gist of it. But yes, let's park it as it aint going anywhere.
Mourinho was at Real for 3 years and won 3 trophies...
That's the same trophy haul as Spurs have achieved in the last 30 years.
Mourinho won the league at Real against one of the greatest club sides of all time, he did that 5 years ago, and has won the PL since then...
Spurs haven't won a single league in 56 years.
To hear a Spuds fan claiming that José has failed at anything in his career seems very odd.
If you view his 3 years at Real as failure, how on Earth do you view MP's 3 years at Spurs!?
All I know is that Real was interested and he signed for United.
Spurs run in is beginning to look a lot trickier than I envisaged even a few weeks back. Add to this injuries to Rose and Vertonghen and Europa league participation and things could go pear shaped for them.They are also light up front if Kane gets injured and their away form would suggest they will drop points.
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