The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[Djemba-Djemba]

Spurs have been generally impressive this season but they were fecking appalling last night.

Also their petulance when losing a game is very annoying. Not the first time they've been heading towards defeat and out come the snidey fouls and nasty tackles.

 

[Balu]

Even beside the last point, do you agree with the remaining post or have anything else to counter on it because my dig or reference to Guardiola was not even the main point in it.

I thought I already answered most of your points and didn't want to repeat myself, that's why I ignored the rest of your post. You're assuming that it's a given Spurs would have performed better/got a result yesterday if they adjusted their tactics to something that doesn't really suit their squad but at the same time fits better against Liverpool. I don't take that as a given and believe they could have lost anyway considering the performance Liverpool showed and the missing players in the Spurs side. This Spurs team isn't necessarily suited to defend deep and play that way, therefore not really comfortable exploiting the flaws in Klopp's tactics. If that's the case, sticking to what you're good at, can be just as successful if not more than adjusting to the opponent. You can't really compare it to weaker sides, who play that way all season long and get a few positive results against the odds when playing top teams.

Comparing Poch's general tactical approach to Martinez is a bit silly, Poch is much more flexible and cynical anyway and I said various times that he made a few mistakes yesterday and will learn from them.

However, I still believe in my general point, that trying to find solutions to beat a pressing team like Klopp's Liverpool side through technical football rather than by defending deep and playing long balls is the way for English clubs to improve in European competitions. The fact that you'll get a few bad defeats on the way until you've found a way to do it, doesn't mean that it's the wrong approach in general.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

It's just nonsense to be honest. One poor game does not mean you are bottling it. However you have to agree how ridiculously overwhelmed your team looks away against the big sides. Though I still think 5 teams will be looking at the remaining three top 4 spots with all 5 having a decent shout of them deserving to be there.

Our problem is obvious, we don't have quality in depth.

When Kane was out we struggled to cope without him, when Toby was out we didn't look so assured defensively but we just about coped. Now 2 of our key defensive personnel are out we don't look anywhere near as secure. We are also missing Lamela who is better than Son.

Regarding away to the top 7 only Liverpool of the top sides look capable. City and Chelsea were both well beaten at Spurs, Chelsea were destroyed at Arsenal. Utd were hammered at Chelsea. It's been difficult for most, the good thing for us is that they are all out of the way.

 

[africanspur]

Disappointed with Poch yesterday tbh. He's done a great job but he got his tactics all wrong. Yeah we had our whole left side of the defence missing (as well as the player who in our first eleven would be tracking back a lot to help too) but we were set up very wrong from the first minute.

Probably our worst performance of the season.

 

[Balu]

Well, in that case..

I mostly agree with what you are advocating. A coach, if he believes in his team, must let it play the way it has been successful and not be reactive. To be fair to Poch, Spurs have shown they are seriously good at their game, a prime example of which was out-pressing Pep's City.

But the absence of Vertonghen and Rose had weakened Spurs. So playing at Anfield with a weakened defence meant they were the underdogs. In which case, the classic Mourinho tactics of negating the opposition threat would have helped, atleast in the first 20-25 minutes.

Again, adopting reactive tactics would not really inspire confidence in squad players like Davies, but it wouldn't be nearly as harmful as the first half last night. Sometimes being pragmatic, reactive and I daresay, defensive, does help.

Isn't that a bit too much based on hindsight? It can work of course, but then, it can also backfire. Inviting pressure on your defense with two of your best defenders not available doesn't necessarily work all the time either. If Tottenham defend deep, concede early because one of the backups in defense makes a mistake and then goes back to their usual plan to chase the game, people will argue Poch fecked up by tweaking what usually works in the first place. I don't think that's an impossible scenario that won't ever happen.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

Disappointed with Poch yesterday tbh. He's done a great job but he got his tactics all wrong. Yeah we had our whole left side of the defence missing (as well as the player who in our first eleven would be tracking back a lot to help too) but we were set up very wrong from the first minute.

Probably our worst performance of the season.

All teams have to deal with injuries as such. Poch should have been using the long ball to negate Liverpool's high press. He needs to learn that tactics need to change depending on the opponent. Also I don't understand why he wasn't vocally instructing change during the first half, when it was obvious your left side was getting exploited.

 

[africanspur]

They will fall out of top 4. Winning against the big sides at home, but bottling it away. They dont deserve the top 4 and wont get it this year.

We may well drop out of the top four (I and in fact as far as I can see the other four Spurs fans on here have always said we'd all be happy with 4th this season), but it won't be because of our record away against the top 4 (which btw, is not bottling it).

We've played all the other 5 teams away now (as well as Everton) and have only Man Utd and Arsenal to play at home left.

Man Utd still have Arsenal, Man City and Spurs away, Chelsea at home.
Arsenal have Liverpool and Spurs away, the Mancunian clubs at home.
Man City have Arsenal and Chelsea away and Man Utd and Liverpool at home.
Liverpool have Arsenal at home and Man City away.
Chelsea...are irrelevent.

Arsenal have 1 point from 9 away (and dropped quite a few at home).
City have 3 from 12.
Man Utd have 1 from 4.
And we obviously have 2 from 15.

Not a good record at all but in context...nobody but Chelsea and Liverpool are consistently doing anything away to the other teams.

 

[africanspur]

All teams have to deal with injuries as such. Poch should have been using the long ball to negate Liverpool's high press. He needs to learn that tactics need to change depending on the opponent. Also I don't understand why he wasn't vocally instructing change during the first half, when it was obvious your left side was getting exploited.

Of course. Hence why I said I'm disappointed in Poch. Should have changed our tactics 100% yesterday. To go up there and try to play like that....I don't get it. Sometimes you must be slightly more pragmatic.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

Isn't that a bit too much based on hindsight? It can work of course, but then, it can also backfire. Inviting pressure on your defense with two of your best defenders not available doesn't necessarily work all the time either. If Tottenham defend deep, concede early because one of the backups in defense makes a mistake and then goes back to their usual plan to chase the game, people will argue Poch fecked up by tweaking what usually works in the first place. I don't think that's an impossible scenario that won't ever happen.

You're right in that respect. Hindsight is 20/20 and the losing coach is criticized regardless.

I do feel though that defending deeper would have helped Davies, who is a different player from Rose and did need tactical assistance against Mane. Similarly Kane, Dembele, Wanyama and Janssen are capable as target-man, making the long ball feasible against an aerially weak side like Liverpool.

While I won't hold Poch responsible for the defeat, I was surprised he wasn't prepared to go this way, esp after the first ten minutes. Which is why I feel Spurs might be a bit of one-trick pony who fluff their lines the moment all the conditions required for their success are not met.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm pretty sure they'll get top four. They have a fairly easy run in compared to the rest.

 

[kouroux]

Of course. Hence why I said I'm disappointed in Poch. Should have changed our tactics 100% yesterday. To go up there and try to play like that....I don't get it. Sometimes you must be slightly more pragmatic.

It is one thing to have a (bad) plan and another to stick with it during most of the match. He should have gone for a tactical change after the first goal.

 

[Enigma_87]

Regarding away to the top 7 only Liverpool of the top sides look capable. City and Chelsea were both well beaten at Spurs, Chelsea were destroyed at Arsenal. Utd were hammered at Chelsea. It's been difficult for most, the good thing for us is that they are all out of the way.

Liverpool are 4th in the away table with 1 game more to the likes of Chelsea/City and United Every team lose a game away - Chelsea were hammered by Arsenal, Liverpool lost convincingly against the likes of Burnley and Hull.

IMO United and Chelsea are looking best away from home so far in the season.

For one I think United's away form has been really excellent this season. Where we struggled massively was in our home ties against the likes of Burnley, Stoke, Hull, etc.

 

[Enigma_87]

I'm pretty sure they'll get top four. They have a fairly easy run in compared to the rest.

Wouldn't say the same. They struggle away from home and get most of their points home. Away from home they can easily lose points to any team in the league. They have only beaten Boro, Soton, Stoke and Watford away. While at home they have some tough fixtures against Arsenal, United and Everton.

Besides their squad is paper thin. Lose one of Toby, Eriksen or Kane and they are fecked.

 

[Stocar]

It is a curious phenomenon. Defensive/reactive football is regularly perceived as a measure of elite tactical acumen. Almost every win snatched by a counterattack sucker punch gets lauded as an ultimate proof of shrewd tactics. In reality it is much more simple and, usually being deployed by inferior teams, on average less successful way of playing than more proactive varieties of football.

Offtopic: I think this stems from much deeper socio-psychological complex, perhaps reflected in conservative/progressive, populist/elitist dichotomies. And football is, from sociological perspective, predominantly populist and conservative.

 

[africanspur]

Wouldn't say the same. They struggle away from home and get most of their points home. Away from home they can easily lose points to any team in the league. They have only beaten Boro, Soton, Stoke and Watford away. While at home they have some tough fixtures against Arsenal, United and Everton.

Besides their squad is paper thin. Lose one of Toby, Eriksen or Kane and they are fecked.

We've lost Lloris, Toby, Vertonghen, Rose, Dembele, Lamela and Kane (as well as a few others) at various points during the season, sometimes together and are still doing ok.

 

[goin4glory]

That's pretty much Mourinho's standard approach whenever he faces a quality side. Not sure why the two draws Mourinho got against an individually clearly inferior squad this season should be seen as some sort of genius tactics you need to use against the mighty Liverpool of 2016/17?

And how have the other sides in the top 6 done vs Liverpool this season?

 

[africanspur]

It is one thing to have a (bad) plan and another to stick with it during most of the match. He should have gone for a tactical change after the first goal.

Just very poor overall yesterday. Poor tactics to begin with, poor in game management, poor subs, poor reactions. Just a very poor day.

 

[Stocar]

Liverpool simply wanted it more and were better that day. I think the outcome would be the same regardless of tactics.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

We've lost Lloris, Toby, Vertonghen, Rose, Dembele, Lamela and Kane (as well as a few others) at various points during the season, sometimes together and are still doing ok.

You're right we are, however our performance levels from when we are at full strength to what they are when 2 or 3 of that group are missing are massively different.

I think this season has been the real learning curve for us, not last. This one has shown where our real weaknesses lie. For example we simply can't enter another season thinking that if Kane is out for any length of time that Janssen and Son between them will fill the void, or that We can only play 3 CB's if they are all fit.

We could have smothered the game yesterday with our 3 CB's and stuck Eriksen in alongside Wanyama and Dembele and then as the game developed later we would have tools but without just 2 players (Verts & Rose) we were so restricted in our options. Thank god for Winks coming through like he has or we would be another player short.

We have 13/14 very good players who are right now good enough against any side in this league, it's not enough and they don't cover enough areas of the pitch. I'm not one for constant change, I much prefer continuity and only adding 1 or 2 players a year however this Summer is now key for us, 5 or 6 fringe players have to go and we need to bring in more quality of depth. I don't care if we don't sign 1 player this Summer who would improve our first 11, I want to see 4 or 5 who won't noticeably weaken it.

 

[One Night Only]

Spurs have been generally impressive this season but they were fecking appalling last night.

Also their petulance when losing a game is very annoying. Not the first time they've been heading towards defeat and out come the snidey fouls and nasty tackles.

It amazes me how teams can change managers and players, yet still be basically the same, as in, different team, different manager, yet still snidey feckers if they're losing. Or bottlers.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

I seriously don't get what is so difficult to understand. Maybe having the best team in the league by a country mile makes it difficult for you to gauge this point. You don't do what Spurs did without having the players to do that. Martinez is a prime example of that. He thought he will play the "beautiful way" no matter what. His Wigan team were in prerennial relegation struggle and finally got relegated because he was too stubborn (maybe stupid) to realize you don't play one way irrespective of what you feel. He then went to Everton and made the same blunder which saw him getting sacked.

Poch made a similar mistake yesterday and Spurs' results and performance against the big sides away from home is testament that even after three years they don't know how to tweak their game enough. Now if he was getting results doing that against the big teams, your point would hold value but he has not been doing that for three years so your opinion make little sense to me especially after 3 years of the same mistakes.

One last point, why do you think it's fine to have a dig at Mourinho but then get baffled when we have a dig at Guardiola because both have had brainfarts with their tactics at various stages?

Some of the responses to Balu are a bit odd but this is just not a good comparison at all. Poch is nothing like Martinez. As a long suffering Arsenal fan I am all too familiar with managers playing "beautiful way no matter what" but that is not at all what Poch did. The guy is a disciple of Bielsa and his style is based on high counter-pressing. Its not at all an idealistic "beautiful football symphony".

Its easy to say he got it wrong in hindsight but if you think about it, everything he did made sense. He was missing Vertong, Rose and Kane which are three extremely important elements for his team to play the way you suggest (Mourinho defensive long ball). His team isn't trained to play sit deep, soak pressure, long ball and missing arguably 3 of his 4 most important players to play that style almost rules out the tactic right from the start.

Then you have to acknowledge that for the first time in a month, Klopp got his tactics spot on. Klopp set up specifically to anticipate Poch switching to the exact tactic you suggest so it was already mostly nullified. If you look, Liverpool sat back and let Lloris have the passes to two CBs. Firmino was unconcerned with pressing the CBs letting them pass back and forth and he concerned himself with cutting off easier vertical passes to midfield. If Lloris tried to long ping it in, Liverpool was set up perfectly to instantly counter press any "target man" receiving the ball. Unlike Mourinho's United, Tottenham missing those 2 defenders and aerially solid Kane simply couldn't play that way as successfully.

Not to say Poch didn't get the tactics off and I know the general opinion of Klopp on here, but Klopp really does deserve credit for tactically outclassing Poch yesterday. Klopp set up to nullify Tottenham and it worked perfectly in the first half.

 

[AR87]

The bigger issue tactically was the lack of width in Spurs' approach in possession. Both goals came off of mistakes Spurs made in central areas. The key against Liverpool is to be quick is defenders and midfielders, especially when facing their own goal, moving the ball to wide areas as Liverpool's success in transition to attack is dependent on nicking the ball in central areas. They are generally set up in a way that makes getting the ball to wide midfield players quickly the best way to attack them, at least if you're trying to take the game to them instead of sitting deep to play on the counter.

 

[matherto]

You just know they're gonna go to Anfield and lose.

You know for the most part they're gonna go to Arsenal, Chelsea, City or us and lose too.

As SAF once said 'Lads, it’s Tottenham.'

 

[NK86]

Some of the responses to Balu are a bit odd but this is just not a good comparison at all. Poch is nothing like Martinez. As a long suffering Arsenal fan I am all too familiar with managers playing "beautiful way no matter what" but that is not at all what Poch did. The guy is a disciple of Bielsa and his style is based on high counter-pressing. Its not at all an idealistic "beautiful football symphony".

Its easy to say he got it wrong in hindsight but if you think about it, everything he did made sense. He was missing Vertong, Rose and Kane which are three extremely important elements for his team to play the way you suggest (Mourinho defensive long ball). His team isn't trained to play sit deep, soak pressure, long ball and missing arguably 3 of his 4 most important players to play that style almost rules out the tactic right from the start.

Then you have to acknowledge that for the first time in a month, Klopp got his tactics spot on. Klopp set up specifically to anticipate Poch switching to the exact tactic you suggest so it was already mostly nullified. If you look, Liverpool sat back and let Lloris have the passes to two CBs. Firmino was unconcerned with pressing the CBs letting them pass back and forth and he concerned himself with cutting off easier vertical passes to midfield. If Lloris tried to long ping it in, Liverpool was set up perfectly to instantly counter press any "target man" receiving the ball. Unlike Mourinho's United, Tottenham missing those 2 defenders and aerially solid Kane simply couldn't play that way as successfully.

Not to say Poch didn't get the tactics off and I know the general opinion of Klopp on here, but Klopp really does deserve credit for tactically outclassing Poch yesterday. Klopp set up to nullify Tottenham and it worked perfectly in the first half.

Poch getting the tactics wrong initially can be understood, but him not doing anything to change it when it was clearly evident they are getting whipped is poor management.

Plus the fact they didn't have their best ball playing CB made the long ball option all the more sensible since their CBs were not really doing anything good with the ball. Mane was tormenting Davies from the first minute and it was clear as day he was not going to get the chance to breathe on the ball.

Anyway, Klopp got his team to play the crazy press game and Poch fell for it completely.

 

[balaks]

We are missing Rose terribly tbh and it's showing with disjointed and unbalanced performances. It's clear we need a better quality of back-up at left-back and I wouldn't be surprised if Davies leaves in the summer. We miss Jan a lot also but at least his replacement - although not at his quality is at least competent (normally). It's the balance of the team that is wrecked with the loss of Rose and it's hurting us badly.

 

[roonster09]

We are missing Rose terribly tbh and it's showing with disjointed and unbalanced performances. It's clear we need a better quality of back-up at left-back and I wouldn't be surprised if Davies leaves in the summer. We miss Jan a lot also but at least his replacement - although not at his quality is at least competent (normally). It's the balance of the team that is wrecked with the loss of Rose and it's hurting us badly.

Davies was so poor, probably one of the worst half by a left back this season. Also looked very nervous and clueless.

Winks looked like a very good prospect, such composure and technical ability for a young player.

 

[africanspur]

You're right we are, however our performance levels from when we are at full strength to what they are when 2 or 3 of that group are missing are massively different.

I think this season has been the real learning curve for us, not last. This one has shown where our real weaknesses lie. For example we simply can't enter another season thinking that if Kane is out for any length of time that Janssen and Son between them will fill the void, or that We can only play 3 CB's if they are all fit.

We could have smothered the game yesterday with our 3 CB's and stuck Eriksen in alongside Wanyama and Dembele and then as the game developed later we would have tools but without just 2 players (Verts & Rose) we were so restricted in our options. Thank god for Winks coming through like he has or we would be another player short.

We have 13/14 very good players who are right now good enough against any side in this league, it's not enough and they don't cover enough areas of the pitch. I'm not one for constant change, I much prefer continuity and only adding 1 or 2 players a year however this Summer is now key for us, 5 or 6 fringe players have to go and we need to bring in more quality of depth. I don't care if we don't sign 1 player this Summer who would improve our first 11, I want to see 4 or 5 who won't noticeably weaken it.

Of course and we do need better back ups in certain positions for sure (not helped by generally poor recruitment last summer) but I imagine that's probably the case for a lot of teams.

That is true actually. The 3 at the back is perfect for games like this weekend's but a couple of players out and we can't realistically play it very well.

I don't think we'll see 10 transfers this summer and tbh I wouldn't want to. We need targeted and clever recruitment.

Again though, I'm disappointed with Poch from Saturday. And from his media comments, he doesn't seem to think he even set up tactically wrong in the first place. He's done an incredible job but still quite a bit of learning to do in situations like these.

 

[balaks]

Davies was so poor, probably one of the worst half by a left back this season. Also looked very nervous and clueless.

Winks looked like a very good prospect, such composure and technical ability for a young player.

Winks does look very good yeah.

 

[balaks]

Of course and we do need better back ups in certain positions for sure (not helped by generally poor recruitment last summer) but I imagine that's probably the case for a lot of teams.

That is true actually. The 3 at the back is perfect for games like this weekend's but a couple of players out and we can't realistically play it very well.

I don't think we'll see 10 transfers this summer and tbh I wouldn't want to. We need targeted and clever recruitment.

Again though, I'm disappointed with Poch from Saturday. And from his media comments, he doesn't seem to think he even set up tactically wrong in the first place. He's done an incredible job but still quite a bit of learning to do in situations like these.

We will most likely sign 2 or 3 players at most this summer and the only player I am pretty certain will leave will be Davies. Anybody thinking there will be sweeping changes to a squad that is obviously improving and going in the right direction is just wrong. What on earth would be the point of disrupting a settled squad like that? You replace one or maybe two with better players and you try and add a player that gives the current squad something we are lacking. That's about it.

 

[balaks]

You're right we are, however our performance levels from when we are at full strength to what they are when 2 or 3 of that group are missing are massively different.

I think this season has been the real learning curve for us, not last. This one has shown where our real weaknesses lie. For example we simply can't enter another season thinking that if Kane is out for any length of time that Janssen and Son between them will fill the void, or that We can only play 3 CB's if they are all fit.

We could have smothered the game yesterday with our 3 CB's and stuck Eriksen in alongside Wanyama and Dembele and then as the game developed later we would have tools but without just 2 players (Verts & Rose) we were so restricted in our options. Thank god for Winks coming through like he has or we would be another player short.

We have 13/14 very good players who are right now good enough against any side in this league, it's not enough and they don't cover enough areas of the pitch. I'm not one for constant change, I much prefer continuity and only adding 1 or 2 players a year however this Summer is now key for us, 5 or 6 fringe players have to go and we need to bring in more quality of depth. I don't care if we don't sign 1 player this Summer who would improve our first 11, I want to see 4 or 5 who won't noticeably weaken it.

You are going to be bitterly disappointed this summer if you honestly believe we will replace 5 or 6 players. That would be the worst possible thing we could do to the squad. I have no idea what you are thinking tbh. This ain't football manager.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

You are going to be bitterly disappointed this summer if you honestly believe we will replace 5 or 6 players. That would be the worst possible thing we could do to the squad. I have no idea what you are thinking tbh. This ain't football manager.

Really?

Do you know how many senior players have gone this season? It's 8, 6 permanently and 2 on loan with a view to permanent moves.

Do you know how many have come in? It's 5 plus Winks and CCV, and it was 5 in an attempt to boost the depth of quality, with the exception of Wanyama it has failed.

Our first 13/14 are excellent, under this we are severely lacking. Taking our first choice you can add Winks, Trippier and possibly Son to that and then we are struggling.

Players who will almost certainly go this Summer:

Davies
Wimmer
Janssen
N'Koudou

Also 50/50 that Son will join them out of the door and if we can get the money for Sissoko he will go as well. Unfortunately on top of this I can see Trippier asking for a move and if we get the money he will likely go.

It will be a minimum of 4 and possibly as high as 7. When called upon our lack of depth has been exposed. You might be sentimental but I doubt Poch has such sentiment, he's at Spurs to win, not to be sympathetic to certain players who aren't delivering when required to do so.

Nobody would like to see less transfer activity than me, I am a believer in continuity, however if our squad isn't strong enough there's little point in sitting on our hands and hoping that they will do better next season.

 

[balaks]

Really?

Do you know how many senior players have gone this season? It's 8, 6 permanently and 2 on loan with a view to permanent moves.

Do you know how many have come in? It's 5 plus Winks and CCV, and it was 5 in an attempt to boost the depth of quality, with the exception of Wanyama it has failed.

Our first 13/14 are excellent, under this we are severely lacking. Taking our first choice you can add Winks, Trippier and possibly Son to that and then we are struggling.

Players who will almost certainly go this Summer:

Davies
Wimmer
Janssen
N'Koudou

Also 50/50 that Son will join them out of the door and if we can get the money for Sissoko he will go as well. Unfortunately on top of this I can see Trippier asking for a move and if we get the money he will likely go.

It will be a minimum of 4 and possibly as high as 7. When called upon our lack of depth has been exposed. You might be sentimental but I doubt Poch has such sentiment, he's at Spurs to win, not to be sympathetic to certain players who aren't delivering when required to do so.

Nobody would like to see less transfer activity than me, I am a believer in continuity, however if our squad isn't strong enough there's little point in sitting on our hands and hoping that they will do better next season.

You talk with such certainty about things you can't possibly know for sure. That's my issue with this - I do not think we will see nearly as much movement in the squad for the next couple of years. Poch himself has said this and I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Not sure how Spurs can bottle the PL or FA cup at this point.

No no no, bottling it is the modern day football analyst's fall back position. If a club loses a game they bottled it, 19 PL teams will this season bottle it, 15 out of the last 16 in the CL will bottle it etc

It's laughably stupid.

Spurs are a side famous for bottling it.

This is what I'm talking about...

That stat is down to mentality, not ability.

That collapse last season that saw Arse finish above them was down to mentality, not ability.

 

[Cassidy]

You talk with such certainty about things you can't possibly know for sure. That's my issue with this - I do not think we will see nearly as much movement in the squad for the next couple of years. Poch himself has said this and I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

I think I read Poch say the squad lacks quality compared to the other top 4. I think in the summer some changes will likely happen tbh. Doubt on a large scale though

 

[MartialsBeard]

Bottlejobs, always have been always will be, its their identity and they hold on to it with passion.

 

[lawliet354]

Does Spurs have a proper winger other than Lamela, every time I watched them it's either Son or Erikssen on the left, sometimes even Alli

 

[balaks]

Bottlejobs, always have been always will be, its their identity and they hold on to it with passion.

Still sitting second in the league though. Hard to explain just how much other teams have bottled this season so far even more than Spurs have. Same with last season as well. Odd. If Spurs are the bottle jobs in the league then all the teams who ended below them last year and all the teams currently sitting below them this year must be even bigger bottle jobs. Keep on with the jibes though. Maybe look at the league table first before you do in case you look a bit silly.

 

[balaks]

Does Spurs have a proper winger other than Lamela, every time I watched them it's either Son or Erikssen on the left, sometimes even Alli

We don't have any wingers in the squad, at least not the traditional kind. We don't play with wingers anyway. We have wide forwards and width from the full-backs.

 

[MartialsBeard]

Still sitting second in the league though. Hard to explain just how much other teams have bottled this season so far even more than Spurs have. Same with last season as well. Odd.

What I mean is, forget everyone elses position, how they relate to teams around them, you get no trophies for second. Yet last year and this year they had a real chance to put pressure on the top spot and in true Spurs fashion tripped over themselves to screw it up. They are bottlejobs no other way to put it really, they love getting so so close and then in the dressing room must think "errrrrr, nah were good!". They need another 2/3 years before the current squad has a chance of winning the league based on their current talents by which point most will have had their heads turned and Poch would have left.

Such is life at a club like Spurs.

 

[lawliet354]

We don't have any wingers in the squad, at least not the traditional kind. We don't play with wingers anyway. We have wide forwards and width from the full-backs.

Do you think it's one of the area you need to strengthen? I mean most of top teams have at least one wide pacey player who can create something out of nothing, and I do not really see it in your team,