So what's everybody's favourite murder? I quite liked it when a completely intoxicated Chris took out JT Dolan in a brief second of sobriety with a shot perfectly planted between the eyes.
Or Phil.
Or Phil.
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'Cuz that sugarless motherfecker...the last feckin' drink you're ever gonna have
Loved it when Ritchie, Ralphie and Phil got clipped. Especially Phil.
There's a bee ona your 'at
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Nah, the ending was brilliant. It’s been a while since I last saw it and it annoyed me back then being kept somewhat in the dark about how it ended, but it’s 10 seconds of television we still debate on a football forum 11 years later. What more could they have wanted. Can’t speak for the music or camera work because, like I said, it’s been some time, but that last sequence is television at its best.
Jackie Jr getting popped was shocking how it played out. Of course the viewers knew his hit would come up at some point but the "out of nowhere" hit was brilliant scripting. Perhaps not the best hit in regards to retaliation or tribal but perfectly illustrates how the criminal world works to maintain some sense of order and hierarchy.
Jesus, you're a hard dude, that one was tragic.
Why? He's a terrible character played by an even worse actor.
They should have set him on fire!
Just the way Tony gloated over it, dragged it out and clearly enjoyed it, all while Matthew was literally pissing himself.
But he did try to assassinate his cousin though and Tony was trying to lull him into giving up any accomplices.
I see a lot of Phil hatred but I was on team Phil bar any pool cue play, he always seemed to be on the right side of the argument.
I mourned his passing.
The end was perfect.
It is so jarringly different from anything else in the series and the abstract ending is such poor storytelling when the strength of the series was the storytelling.
As for the bolded bit for me it is only still in my mind because it was the most enragingly rubbish end to a really great TV series - Dexter level rubbish ending IMO. Either of the possible endings would have been OK if better directed.
And for what more I could want - an actual ending. A good one preferably.
You're just too spoilt to understand it. There is no ending in life my little nephew.
Always thought the ending was kinda clear. Previous conversations/foreshadowing suggests Tony was whacked, but if he wasn't he lives with the constant paranoia of being whacked due to his lifestyle. Works well.
They love a good Phil Leotardo quote. And so do I.
This.
That is two different endings and even if they wanted it to be unclear which was the case it was a terribly amateur way of filming it. And it wasn't just the ending. The whole episode was of a totally different style and quality to the rest of the series. It is like they got a new director who hadn't seen any previous episodes.
But there is in a tv series and this one sucked dog balls.
Even though the exact ending gives a massive nod to a particular scene in a previous episode, I'm not sure you were paying enough attention. It doesn't spell it out like a breaking bad finale.
Okay then. I, for one, growing older, like the ambiguity of it and the fact that people have spent hours afterwards debating what actually happened. Me included.
But as with everything, to each his own.
I, for one, growing older, like the ambiguity of it and the fact that people have spent hours afterwards debating what actually happened. Me included.
But as with everything, to each his own.
I would have been fine with ambiguity if it had been well done. But was so badly handled that it came across as just a huge loss of nerve resulting in a cop out.
If you are going to do an ambiguous end you really have ro nail it e.g. Blade Runner
The black screen and the previous conversation about not seeing it coming? Yes, that was one possibility and if that was meant to be the end then why the irritating paranoid thing they played on so much?
Breaking Bad was an ok end but hardly masterful or up to the standard of the series as a whole. If they had ended it at the end of series 4 then that would have been a quality end with ambiguity.
All through that diner scene we keep hearing the bell ring as the door opens when random people arrive, each time that happens we see the door and who's coming in from Tony's POV, we're seeing that person enter the diner through his eyes.
The guy in the member's only jacket comes in, looking shifty as hell, sits at the bar and keeps looking over at Tony. He then goes to the toilet and the camera follows him as he walks by, obviously showing he's a relevant person to what's going on.
Meadow finally finishes parking and is heading into the diner and at the moment we've flicked to Tony's POV each other time someone's entered it instead cuts to black. Meaning Tony's POV has gone.
Also in the penultimate episode Tony is sitting on the bed with his rifle waiting for hit, and has a flashback to his conversation with Bobby on the lake, and recalls Bobby saying "you probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?", which is why we don't hear any gun shot.
Meadow runs to the door, the bell rings, and nothing.
He's dead. It's perfectly clear and was executed brilliantly.
The guy in the member's only jacket comes in, looking shifty as hell, sits at the bar and keeps looking over at Tony. He then goes to the toilet and the camera follows him as he walks by, obviously showing he's a relevant person to what's going on.
Meadow finally finishes parking and is heading into the diner and at the moment we've flicked to Tony's POV each other time someone's entered it instead cuts to black. Meaning Tony's POV has gone.
Also in the penultimate episode Tony is sitting on the bed with his rifle waiting for hit, and has a flashback to his conversation with Bobby on the lake, and recalls Bobby saying "you probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?", which is why we don't hear any gun shot.
Meadow runs to the door, the bell rings, and nothing.
He's dead. It's perfectly clear and was executed brilliantly.
Nah, I'd say it's one ending which can be read in multiple ways. Tony's almost certainly dead, but if he isn't then it doesn't matter; he'll live with that perpetual fear of imminent death for the rest of his days. I think it's a lot more interesting/original in a way than just showing him being shot - not sure six seasons for the show just to end with "crime doesn't pay" and nothing more would've been all that great.
I always thought the final season should have centered around Tony's trial, with Chris and others testifying against him, all his crimes exposed in front of his family, and the veneer of respectability he so clearly craved completely denied to him. The theme of season 6 - that he was ultimately incapable of reform - was on point, but the execution (especially in 6a) was a little bit poor.
But these hints aren't clues in themselves. They're in there to create doubt so the open ended finale could work. Their inclusions doesn't mean as much as you think.
I honestly believe the ending is anything you want it to be.
So about 3 years ago in Arizona I was invited to a meal by an Italian actor I'd gotten to know. I ended up there with 4 other New York Italians of varying ages and all I can say is that I wouldn't have been surprised if someone came in and started shooting. It felt just like a scene from the Soprano's even the head chef came out and gave them respect and we were ushered into the best table in restaurant. It was a very surreal feeling and the stories they told about New York and the likes of Gotti went beyond hearsay and more into personal experience. One of the most incredible 2 hours of my life with a touch of awe, fear and gratitude.
Hmm, not sure about that. One thing that bothers me is that who'd have ordered the hit?
I've seen this pointed out before, and it's definitely a decent reasoning as to why Tony wouldn't have died. Peace has largely been achieved after the chaos of the final few episodes and he has no immediate enemies looking to off him.
But the unpredictability and randomness of the criminal world's a key component of The Sopranos. As is the past coming back to haunt you etc. Tony's made so many enemies and ruined so many lives over the years to the point where there'd be plenty of people out there who have personal vendettas/agendas against him, even if they're not themselves intricately connected to the criminal underworld. In fact it'd almost be suitably ironic for Tony to be offed by someone random he hurt years back just when it seems like he's at his safest.
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Thanks.
Another note on the series finale ending: La Cosa Nostra, at least in the US, how often do they whack a man in front of his family?
Seems out of context from what I've read historically of the Italian mafia in the US.
Seems out of context from what I've read historically of the Italian mafia in the US.
It'd personally would like another season of Sopranoes where they tie the loose end. I find the ending abit distateful, no matter how much the director things he's smart and ace. Sopranoes wasn't about perception imho, it's always a show and tell, what happens with the jersey outfit? Meadow? Carmila? AJ?
They should really make a few more episodes to tie up the loose ends.
They should really make a few more episodes to tie up the loose ends.
I was in the wrong with this one for a while too, but then realised they whacked Phil Leotardo in front of his wife.