The Smith-Rowe strike that gave Arsenal the lead. Correct decision?

I don’t know why the ref wouldn’t just stop play and then book the keeper for simulation if he then determined him to be cheating once he’s seen the ‘treatment’.

What he shouldn’t be doing is assuming anything about the seriousness.
 
sparx99 said:
Except the part about when Atkinson first noticed. He saw De Gea down during the initial clearance well before he later moved the whistle to his lips.
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I'm not sure about that, he may have had a bit of tunnel vision trying to follow the play.
 
Firstly, I've been a big defender for De Gea for years. I think he's our best keeper still, even though he's regressed when it comes to dealing with set pieces since Joses years...

However, having played in goal my whole life and at an academy level. I've never seen a keeper do that when the ball is in play, aside from serious head injuries.

Personally speaking, I once tore my ankle ligaments in a fairly similar situation. There was not a chance I'd go down before the ball went of play.

It'd hurt of course, but I'd expect him to stay on his feet untill the ball went out. Especially in the days of VAR.

For me its an absolute legit goal and I'd be furious if my keeper did that.
 
TheReligion said:
Woahhhh calm down tough guy.

Back in the day when they used to use jumpers for goal posts.

That bastard David Busst should have played on!
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How has it become a chest beating macho thing to simply suggest a player is exaggerating injury. You know it goes on all the time so why take such exception now?

Can you honestly say you've never thought a player is playacting or exaggerating?
 
Marwood said:
How has it become a chest beating macho thing to simply suggest a player is exaggerating injury. You know it goes on all the time so why take such exception now?

Can you honestly say you've never thought a player is playacting or exaggerating?
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If they are injured they are injured. That's the point.

Jesus this is hard work.
 
Delano said:
Firstly, I've been a big defender for De Gea for years. I think he's our best keeper still, even though he's regressed when it comes to dealing with set pieces since Joses years...

However, having played in goal my whole life and at an academy level. I've never seen a keeper do that when the ball is in play, aside from serious head injuries.

Personally speaking, I once tore my ankle ligaments in a fairly similar situation. There was not a chance I'd go down before the ball went of play.

It'd hurt of course, but I'd expect him to stay on his feet untill the ball went out. Especially in the days of VAR.

For me its an absolute legit goal and I'd be furious if my keeper did that.
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Agree with this. Careful though, you'll be called a 'toughguy' for staying on your feet!
 
Correct. Injured or not injured (unless head related) the opposition can play on if they want. It’s a contact sport and it will happen but it’s super rare.
 
TheReligion said:
If they are injured they are injured. That's the point.

Jesus this is hard work.
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...and you can be injured without crawling into a ball for 2mins or going down at all. You're making it hard for yourself here!
 
UncleBob said:
The lack of intelligence in here is disturbing, i really don't have the slightest clue whatsoever what some of you are on about when it comes to the claim that De Gea is faking it.
Fred doesn't just slightly touch De Gea, he plants his studs on his achilles tendon and puts all weight on his foot. The level of sheer stupidity and lack of basic understanding of why that hurts like a motherfecker, christ :lol:

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There's really no need for such arrogance.

The bottom line is we've conceded once again due to our keeper being a complete shithouse.
Still photos can make things look so much worse when in fact it really wasn't that bad.
Folding to the floor and turning his back on the game as if he'd been shot was frankly embarrassing.
 
TheReligion said:
If they are injured they are injured. That's the point.

Jesus this is hard work.
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Except in football where they pretend to be far more injured than they actually are in the vast majority of circumstances? Are you 4 years old? Is this the first football game you've watched in your life? Have you never seen a player roll around pretending to be in pain to buy a foul? Or even when it's a foul, but they have to actually sell it to get noticed? fecking hell it's like "footballers are soft and exaggerate contact" is a new, controversial thing to say now apparently :wenger: It's a well known thing that everyone just looks past because they do it to get the whistle called. Just like basketball players are absolute drama queens because they do what they have to do.

Not every injury results in a play stoppage. A teammate injuring his own player certainly doesn't result in a stoppage when the ball is in a dangerous sequence.
 
Roux said:
...and you can be injured without crawling into a ball for 2mins or going down at all. You're making it hard for yourself here!
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An injury is an injury. Your own personal opinion on how much that individual is hurt is subjective and not fact.

This really isn't hard you know..
 
The goal had to stand, but only because Atkinson blew too late.
 
Did not the referee blow the whistle before the ball crossed the line? That is the main question
 
bosnian_red said:
Except in football where they pretend to be far more injured than they actually are in the vast majority of circumstances? Are you 4 years old? Is this the first football game you've watched in your life? Have you never seen a player roll around pretending to be in pain to buy a foul? Or even when it's a foul, but they have to actually sell it to get noticed? fecking hell it's like "footballers are soft and exaggerate contact" is a new, controversial thing to say now apparently :wenger: It's a well known thing that everyone just looks past because they do it to get the whistle called. Just like basketball players are absolute drama queens because they do what they have to do.
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Your opinion, and that's what it is, is irrelevant really. You even tried to compare the Nani incident as the equivalent when it's nothing like it.

You clearly don't understand. That is obvious.
 
TheReligion said:
An injury is an injury. Your own personal opinion on how much that individual is hurt is subjective and not fact.

This really isn't hard you know..
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Yes but the only reason the discussion of the level of pain is relevant is who gets the blame in this instance. For me, that's De gea as his reaction wasn't required based on the contact. It's literally irrelevant to the decision of the goal being awarded. That conversation starts and ends with "did an Arsenal player foul the goalkeeper?". So the goal is fair. The blame goes to De gea as he gave up on the play when he really could've pushed through.
 
TheReligion said:
An injury is an injury. Your own personal opinion on how much that individual is hurt is subjective and not fact.
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Obviously, but we generally go off experience and what we see. His reaction wasn't that of someone badly hurt now was it? Because if he was he wouldn't have chased the ref right after would he? Yes, its really not hard at all.

Bizarre that you think we need to actually be David De Gea to associate a level of pain as a human being and we have absolutely no idea what it feels like to have a knock.
 
Roux said:
Obviously, but we generally go off experience and what we see. His reaction wasn't that of someone badly hurt now was it? Because if he was he wouldn't have chased the ref right after would he? Yes, its really not hard at all.

Bizarre that you think we need to actually be David De Gea to associate a level of pain as a human being and we have absolutely no idea what it feels like to have a knock.
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It's actually bizarre that you don't understand people are varying levels of pain tolerance. It's a scientific fact.
 
TheReligion said:
Your opinion, and that's what it is, is irrelevant really. You even tried to compare the Nani incident as the equivalent when it's nothing like it.

You clearly don't understand. That is obvious.
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Don't understand what? I don't understand what you're talking about or what point you are trying to make.
There are 4 questions at play here.
  1. Is there a foul committed on the goalkeeper? No, it's a fair goal.
  2. Was De Gea justified to be rolling around like he got shot? No, what happened to him didn't require him to go in the fetal position, realistically he could've pushed through.
  3. Who is at blame for the goal, since no foul was committed? De Gea, since he didn't need to react as he did.
  4. Are Arsenal players cnuts? Yes, but not because they scored here.
I'm not saying it doesn't hurt, I'm not saying Fred didn't step on him. I'm saying the goal was perfectly legit, Arsenal did nothing wrong or unsportsmanlike to score it, the pain wasn't sufficient to cause De gea to drop like that because almost nothing is, therefore he's at fault for the goal.
 
I'll try and keep this simple;

Was it a legitimate goal by the letter of the law? Seemingly yes.

Was it unsportsmanlike? Yes.

Was De Gea injured? Yes

How badly was he injured? No one knows.

It's a pointless discussion if you can't accept the above. Bielsa and Di Canio were in exactly the same situation (actually last night was worse given it was the goalkeeper that was injured) and did the right thing. No questions were asked about the legitimacy of the injury or anything else. Both were heavily praised.
 
Roux said:
... and yet no treatment was needed, no boots off, no stretcher or no substitution! in fact he chased the ref right after the goal was given!!! Get a grip! This isn't enough to make you crawl up in a ball.
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Why does his foot need to be amputated before they need to stop the game? you're just digging a hole for a pointless battle here.

Yes De Gea isn't big brave and matcho like you'd like him to do, it still should have been stopped.
 
bosnian_red said:
Don't understand what? I don't understand what you're talking about or what point you are trying to make.
There are 4 questions at play here.
  1. Is there a foul committed on the goalkeeper? No, it's a fair goal.
  2. Was De Gea justified to be rolling around like he got shot? No, what happened to him didn't require him to go in the fetal position, realistically he could've pushed through.
  3. Who is at blame for the goal, since no foul was committed? De Gea, since he didn't need to react as he did.
  4. Are Arsenal players cnuts? Yes, but not because they scored here.
I'm not saying it doesn't hurt, I'm not saying Fred didn't step on him. I'm saying the goal was perfectly legit, Arsenal did nothing wrong or unsportsmanlike to score it, the pain wasn't sufficient to cause De gea to drop like that because almost nothing is, therefore he's at fault for the goal.
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:wenger:
 
TheReligion said:
It's actually bizarre that you don't understand people are varying levels of pain tolerance. It's a scientific fact.
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So its scientific fact that he can be crawled up in a ball in severe pain, then pop up and chase the ref and continue playing for 80mins. Haha, delusional.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Why does his foot need to be amputated before they need to stop the game? you're just digging a hole for a pointless battle here.

Yes De Gea isn't big brave and matcho like you'd like him to do, it still should have been stopped.
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Who said amputated? you not me.... he needed to be actually injured, as in need treatment or be substituted - he required neither! Nothing to do with bravery or macho, its a knock for gods sake - you're just exaggerating to try in vain to prove your point.
 
Of course it is legit. If the referee blew the whistle every time a keeper goes down then there will be no goals scored. Every time an opposition gets an opportunity the keeper is going to go down as if he is shot.
Was it painful? Obviously it was. He took a calculated gamble that the referee is going to stop the game and the ref did not. Rightly so in my opinion as he did always have VAR and it is was an Arsenal player who fouled him I am sure it would not have stood.
 
bosnian_red said:
the pain wasn't sufficient to cause De gea to drop like that because almost nothing is,
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I've had a couple of ligament sprains and the worst pain I've ever felt was aggravating them after the initial injury. Those hurt quite a bit, too, but when you forget for a moment that you're not fully fit and put too much force on them...man, you drop like a sack.
 
No argument, you could argue if it’s head clash but it wasn’t. It was correct decision and I knew they would give the goal the moment they showed what actually the reason why DDG went down, my only hope was if the referee blew the whistle before it went in which wasn’t the case.

Step on foot is not a serious injury to make player going down like if player receives broken leg or head clash. VAR knew what DDG was after. I lost count how many times someone stomp on my foot during the game whether it’s accidentally or trying to have a go at me, I know very well it’s not enough to make me going down. DDG bottled it.
 
Cascarino said:
Because there was no infraction. There's nothing in the rules that would overturn the goal last night.
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Actually is was reviewed. Hence the delay. I am sure that if it was an Arsenal player who stepped on his foot, the goal would not have stood.
 
TheReligion said:
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Since you seem to be singling out that point... do you genuinely believe that when a footballer starts rolling around in "pain", that that is a normal, appropriate reaction to what happened? That there is no possible way they can just push through the pain of the incident? Or is it just that situation. It's fine if you do, that's just a difference of opinion, I personally don't think De gea was in enough pain to react as he did and his post reaction justifies that in my eyes, but if you disagree then fine. In that case, its just a "well shit, nobody to blame but goal is still a goal" situation.

In my opinion, there are very, very few incidents that occur on a football pitch which justify curling up in fetal position and not being able to participate in the game. You're playing a sport, you're supposed to push through pain now and then.
 
Here is what a normal, rational poster might say..

"I thought that De Gea exaggerated the injury so no sympathy on the goal"

Trying to play it off as fact is absolutely bizarre as you can't possibly know.
 
Correct decision. Terrible refereeing to get to that situation in the first place.
 
MackRobinson said:
That's fair. Just that 99% the whistle gets blown in that instance and it's clearly not a con.
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Yeah majority of the time ref blows in this situation, it's not in the rules but it is how it's almost always dealt with for obvious practicality reasons
 
bosnian_red said:
Since you seem to be singling out that point... do you genuinely believe that when a footballer starts rolling around in "pain", that that is a normal, appropriate reaction to what happened? That there is no possible way they can just push through the pain of the incident? Or is it just that situation. It's fine if you do, that's just a difference of opinion, I personally don't think De gea was in enough pain to react as he did and his post reaction justifies that in my eyes, but if you disagree then fine. In that case, its just a "well shit, nobody to blame but goal is still a goal" situation.
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If you'd have said that in the first place we wouldn't be having this argument!
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I've had a couple of ligament sprains and the worst pain I've ever felt was aggravating them after the initial injury. Those hurt quite a bit, too, but when you forget for a moment that you're not fully fit and put too much force on them...man, you drop like a sack.
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They are arguing with a Doctor FFS!
 
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