Gaming The SM RedCafe League

[Damien]

5:0 victory away to the mighty Rotherham United on Tuesday. Tonight's game will tell a lot as to whether we can challenge for a top four spot or top 12.

Oblak (94)

Frimpong (89) Bella Kotchap (86) Disasi (89) Baku (89)
Rice (91)↓ Zakaria (90)
Under (89) -- Eriksen (91)↓ -- Sancho (91)↓
Pulisic (91)​

Subs: Reyna (87)↑, Gomes (86)↑, Sucic (85)↑, Alemdar (82), Debast (82), Kana (82), Mara (82)
Injured: Trent (94)
Suspended: Hakimi (92)
Did not travel: Mbappe (96), Van Dijk (95), Alaba (94), Goretzka (93), Ramos (92), Kounde (92), Stones (92), Pedri (92), Bellingham (92)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD14: Aston Villa (H)
MD15: West Ham United (A)
LSR3: Liverpool (H)

Manchester United v Rotherham United fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Rotherham Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Rotherham Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Rotherham Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Rotherham SoT Conv.
28th Mar: Rotherham Utd v Utd (Cup)​	73%​	27%​	26 (14)​	4 (0)​	5​	0​	35.7%​	N/A​
Combined​	73%​	27%​	26 (14)​	4 (0)​	5​	0​	35.7%​	N/A​

 

[Damien]

Top 12 battle it is then. Lost 1:0 at home to Villa.

Oblak (94)

Kounde (92) Van Dijk (95) Stones (92)↓ Hakimi (92)
Rice (91)↓ Alaba (94)
Sancho (91)↓ -- Goretzka (93) -- Pedri (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Ramos (92)↑, Baku (89), Eriksen (91)↑, Zakaria (90), Under (89), Bellingham (92)↑, Pulisic (91)
Injured: Trent (94)
Did not travel: Disasi (89), Frimpong (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD15: West Ham United (A)
LSR3: Liverpool (H)
MD16: Chelsea (H)

Manchester United v Aston Villa fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Aston Villa Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Aston Villa Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Aston Villa Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Aston Villa SoT Conv.
30th Mar: Utd v Aston Villa​	55%​	45%​	12 (8)​	9 (1)​	0​	1​	0%​	100%​
Combined​	55%​	45%​	12 (8)​	9 (1)​	0​	1​	0%​	100%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table:

 

[Damien]

3:2 victory away to West Ham United. Hanging in there in the top 12 battle.

Oblak (94)

Frimpong (89)↓ Ramos (92) Stones (92) Hakimi (92)
Rice (91) Zakaria (90)↓
Sancho (91)↓ -- Goretzka (93) -- Bellingham (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Van Dijk (95), Baku (89), Eriksen (91)↑, Disasi (89)↑, Under (89), Pedri (92), Pulisic (91)↑
Injured: Trent (94)
Did not travel: Alaba (94), Kounde (92)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LSR3: Liverpool (H)
MD16: Chelsea (H)
MD17: Everton (A)

Manchester United v West Ham United fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	West Ham Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	West Ham Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	West Ham Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	West Ham SoT Conv.
2nd Apr: West Ham v Utd​	53%​	47%​	18 (9)​	9 (3)​	3​	2​	33.3%​	66.6%​
Combined​	53%​	47%​	18 (9)​	9 (3)​	3​	2​	33.3%​	66.6%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table. Tight in both battle for fourth and battle for the relegation places with Darlington's win:

 

[Damien]

Just feck off. Ferrari's initial value was something like £300k, with £559k being the max it would let me bid. He rises overnight, new minimum value is £700k. I'm the only one to bid in like 24 hours then last second Southend bids at new maximum knowing it would go through and mine would be rejected.

NEW: Transfer Rule

• The max bid on the first available value for external/unmanaged players is the only bid that can be matched by all clubs and bids must be public. This bid cannot be changed and increased after the player value goes up. No exceptions. If the original bids for that player collapse after being accepted due to the player value increasing then only the clubs who originally bid may re-bid at the new max value.

That rule was made with new players in mind, and Ferrari is not a new player, but what he did goes against the spirit of the game.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Just feck off. Ferrari's initial value was something like £300k, with £559k being the max it would let me bid. He rises overnight, new minimum value is £700k. I'm the only one to bid in like 24 hours then last second Southend bids at new maximum knowing it would go through and mine would be rejected.


That rule was made with new players in mind, and Ferrari is not a new player, but what he did goes against the spirit of the game.

It’s very annoying but there’s no rule against it.

In these kind of situations a gentleman would be inclined to withdraw to allow a 2 way shoot out for the player. I’d say both bid new max value and let the coin toss decide.

 

[Damien]

It’s very annoying but there’s no rule against it.

Still think the wording kind of applies though.

The max bid on the first available value for external/unmanaged players is the only bid that can be matched by all clubs

Max bid on his value at the time of the initial bid was made. It doesn't mention that it is only for new players added to the database, only arguable bit is the "first available value".

and bids must be public.

Though nobody ever listens to this, the bid was public.

This bid cannot be changed and increased after the player value goes up. No exceptions.

Player value went up the next day albeit because his rating rose and not the weird new player database thing, but the rule doesn't mention that it only has to be if the player value goes up via the database thing.

If the original bids for that player collapse after being accepted due to the player value increasing then only the clubs who originally bid may re-bid at the new max value.

My bid obviously collapsed, greeny's accepted due to being above the max bid on the first available value.

 

[The Taurean]

Its not in good spirit but its been valid to be honest.
Public bid is only for new players is what I assume. Not really sure why it should be for others.

 

[Damien]

1:1 draw against Liverpool but won 5:3 on penalties. Forest in the next round...

Oblak (94)

Frimpong (89)↓ Van Dijk (95) Disasi (89) Baku (89)
Eriksen (91) Zakaria (90)
Under (89) -- Pedri (92)↓ -- Sancho (91)↓
Pulisic (91)​

Subs: Alemdar (82), Bella Kotchap (86), Kounde (92)↑, Gomes (86)↑, Sucic (85), Reyna (87)↑, Mara (82)
Injured: Trent (94)
Did not travel: Mbappe (96), Alaba (94), Goretzka (93), Ramos (92), Stones (92), Hakimi (92), Bellingham (92), Rice (91)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD16: Chelsea (H)
MD17: Everton (A)
LCR4: Everton (H)

Manchester United v Liverpool fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Liverpool Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Liverpool Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Liverpool Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Liverpool SoT Conv.
26th Feb: Liverpool v Utd​	57%​	43%​	14 (5)​	10 (4)​	1​	1​	20%​	25%​
4th Apr: Utd v Liverpool​	58%​	42%​	16 (5)​	9 (1)​	1​	1​	20%​	100%​
Combined​	57.5%​	42.5%​	30 (10)​	19 (5)​	2​	2​	20%​	40%​

 

[Dom Gill]

Its not in good spirit but its been valid to be honest.
Public bid is only for new players is what I assume. Not really sure why it should be for others.

Sounds like real life to me

Jon Obi Mikel ends up at chelsea
Wijnaldum to psg
Gazza to Spurs

There are more, but it happens.

I have had deals where someone managed to bid more close to a decision. 8 mins I think was the most annoying, but I know it's not quite the same scenario.

Ps. Love the rage though

 

[Damien]

3:2 loss at home to Chelsea on Thursday.

Oblak (94)

Frimpong (89)↓ Ramos (92) Kounde (92) Alaba (94)
Rice (91) Pedri (92)
Sancho (91) -- Goretzka (93) -- Bellingham (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Van Dijk (95), Stones (92)↑, Hakimi (92), Pulisic (91), Eriksen (91), Zakaria (90), Baku (89)
Injured: Trent (94)
Suspended: Reyna (87)
Did not travel: Disasi (89), Under (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD17: Everton (A)
LCR4: Everton (H)
MD18: Cardiff City (H)

Manchester United v Chelsea fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Chelsea Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Chelsea Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Chelsea Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Chelsea SoT Conv.
6th Apr: Utd v Chelsea​	52%​	48%​	12 (5)​	9 (5)​	2​	3​	40%​	60%​
Combined​	52%​	48%​	12 (5)​	9 (5)​	2​	3​	40%​	60%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table:

 

[Damien]

5:0 victory over Everton in the league. Will post updated table tomorrow/Thursday.

Oblak (94)

Stones (92)↓ Van Dijk (95) Kounde (92) Hakimi (92)
Eriksen (91)↓ Alaba (94)
Bellingham (92)↓ -- Goretzka (93) -- Pedri (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Ramos (92)↑, Frimpong (89), Sancho (91), Pulisic (91)↑, Rice (91), Zakaria (90)↑, Baku (89)
Injured: Trent (94)
Suspended: Reyna (87)
Did not travel: Disasi (89), Under (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LCR4: Everton (H)
MD18: Cardiff City (H)
MD19: Middlesbrough (A)

Manchester United v Everton fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Everton Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Everton Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Everton Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Everton SoT Conv.
10th Feb: Everton v Utd (Charity Shield)​	51%​	49%​	10 (2)​	9 (1)​	2​	0​	100%​	0%​
9th Apr: Everton v Utd (League)​	75%​	25%​	26 (19)​	5 (0)​	5​	0​	26.3%​	N/A​
Combined​	63%​	37%​	36 (21)​	14 (1)​	7​	0​	33.3%​	0%​

 

[Damien]

4:0 victory over Everton in the Cup. Face Bournemouth in the next round.

Oblak (94)

Frimpong (89) Disasi (89) Ramos (92)↓ Baku (89)
Rice (91)↓ Zakaria (90)
Under (89) -- Eriksen (91)↓ -- Sancho (91)
Pulisic (91)​

Subs: Stones (92)↑, Gomes (86)↑, Bella Kotchap (86), Sucic (85)↑, Alemdar (82), Kana (82), Mara (82)
Injured: Trent (94)
Suspended: Reyna (87)
Did not travel: Mbappe (96), Van Dijk (95), Alaba (94), Goretzka (93), Kounde (92), Hakimi (92), Pedri (92), Bellingham (92)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD18: Cardiff City (H)
MD19: Middlesbrough (A)
LSR4: Nottingham Forest (A)

Manchester United v Everton fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Everton Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Everton Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Everton Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Everton SoT Conv.
10th Feb: Everton v Utd (Charity Shield)​	51%​	49%​	10 (2)​	9 (1)​	2​	0​	100%​	0%​
9th Apr: Everton v Utd (League)​	75%​	25%​	26 (19)​	5 (0)​	5​	0​	26.3%​	N/A​
11th Apr: Utd v Everton (Cup)​	77%​	23%​	22 (13)​	7 (0)​	4​	0​	30.8%​	N/A​
Combined​	67.7%​	32.3%​	58 (34)​	21 (1)​	11​	0​	32.3%​	0%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table:

A few tasty fixtures tonight

• Southend United v Aston Villa (must win for Southend)
• Milton Keynes v West Ham United
• Bristol City v Leyton Orient (both this and the fixture above huge in the relegation battle)
• Manchester United v Cardiff City (one of the fixtures where my opponent has a better record against me. 3 wins for Cardiff in last five head to heads vs 2 wins for United. Big chance for whoever wins to maintain/close the gap on the top four)

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Latest table:

A few tasty fixtures tonight

• Southend United v Aston Villa (must win for Southend)
• Milton Keynes v West Ham United
• Bristol City v Leyton Orient (both this and the fixture above huge in the relegation battle)
• Manchester United v Cardiff City (one of the fixtures where my opponent has a better record against me. 3 wins for Cardiff in last five head to heads vs 2 wins for United. Big chance for whoever wins to maintain/close the gap on the top four)

We’re away so have no chance it’s United’s to lose

 

[Damien]

We’re away so have no chance it’s United’s to lose

You won the last time you played me at Old Trafford!

Thanks for Stones, good to have a player become more positionally flexible for a change. Cheers Pep.

 

[Damien]

2:1 victory at home to Cardiff City. Mbappe now top of the player goalscoring table which would be pure insanity to say 5 league games ago as he wouldn't have been in the top 30.

Oblak (94)

Kounde (92) Van Dijk (95) Ramos (92) Hakimi (92)
Stones (92)↓ Alaba (94)
Bellingham (92) -- Goretzka (93) -- Pedri (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Disasi (89), Frimpong (89), Zakaria (90), Rice (91)↑, Eriksen (91), Sancho (91), Pulisic (91)
Injured: Trent (94)
Did not travel: Baku (89), Under (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD19: Middlesbrough (A)
LSR4: Nottingham Forest (A)
MD20: Bristol City (H)

Manchester United v Cardiff City fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Cardiff City Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Cardiff City Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Cardiff City Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Cardiff City SoT Conv.
13th Apr: Utd v Cardiff City​	57%​	43%​	10 (4)​	9 (3)​	2​	1​	50%​	33.3%​
Combined​	57%​	43%​	10 (4)​	9 (3)​	2​	1​	50%​	33.3%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table:

 

[Damien]

2:0 victory away to Middlesbrough

Oblak (94)

Kounde (92) Van Dijk (95) Ramos (92) Alaba (94)
Eriksen (91)↓ Stones (92)
Pulisic (91)↓ -- Goretzka (93) -- Pedri (92)
Mbappe (96)​

Subs: Disasi (89), Frimpong (89), Zakaria (90), Rice (91)↑, Hakimi (92), Sancho (91), Bellingham (92)↑
Did not travel: Trent (94), Baku (89), Under (89)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LSR4: Nottingham Forest (A)
MD20: Bristol City (H)
MD21: Leyton Orient (A)

Manchester United v Middlesbrough fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Middlesbrough Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Middlesbrough Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Middlesbrough Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Middlesbrough SoT Conv.
16th Apr: Middlesbrough v Utd​	57%​	43%​	11 (6)​	8 (2)​	2​	0​	33.3%​	0%​
Combined​	57%​	43%​	11 (6)​	8 (2)​	2​	0​	33.3%​	0%​

 

[Damien]

Latest table:

 

[Damien]

Early days but Trent Alexander-Arnold has had a kinda roaming hybrid role for Liverpool for the past 1.5 games:

Assist for their last goal last night from midfield:

https://dubz.co/video/a9cd3b

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Early days but Trent Alexander-Arnold has had a kinda roaming hybrid role for Liverpool for the past 1.5 games:

Assist for their last goal last night from midfield:

https://dubz.co/video/a9cd3b

I’m not making him a CM.

 

[Damien]

I’m not making him a CM.

Hence early days if he's played there for the next few games then you might have to reconsider. Liverpool fans are totally not overreacting:

Think Klopp finally found the balance. Not Trent as a RB/8/10 hybrid-thing--I mean, my God, he was making runs past the cf at times this season--but as a free-roaming 6. Shades of Gerrard. Trent will be incredible there if the 8s are disciplined enough to keep us in 2 banks of 3 if we lose possession. I thought Jones and Henderson were very disciplined tonight. TAA had the platform he has been missing all season.

Where are all those clowns who said Trent should be sold or he was the next dele Ali ?

Generational talent and if we don’t ask him to single handily create chances whilst defending against 2 - 3 players overloaded on his side with no cover, we’ll see how special he can be.

I know Leeds are shit but he put in an absolutely world class performance tonight in every metric. Look at this:

2 assists
153 touches
124 accurate passes
91% pass accuracy
12 accurate long balls
20 passes into final third
11 ball recoveries

Very exciting with Konate covering that right side.

Those numbers are fecking insane, like legit fecking mental.

2nd most passes in a game in the league this season, he is as good as a footballer as any this country has produced.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Hence early days if he's played there for the next few games then you might have to reconsider. Liverpool fans are totally not overreacting:

Some of the comments

It’s not an exact science (although ive been banging on for at least a year about how there should be a position threshold until one is changed) but until he’s more clearly deployed there it’s still roaming RB territory in my eyes.

Stones’ role however is clearly DM in build up hence no qualms about giving it him. He can and does play that role to a 92 standard.

Trent however is not a 94 rated CM. If his rating was 91 then it could be considered but I don’t know anyone who in good conscience will make that position change without significantly more data on his position and role. Klopp giving him a free RB role isn’t the same as playing CM in my book.

 

[Damien]

Some of the comments

It’s not an exact science (although ive been banging on for at least a year about how there should be a position threshold until one is changed) but until he’s more clearly deployed there it’s still roaming RB territory in my eyes.

Stones’ role however is clearly DM in build up hence no qualms about giving it him. He can and does play that role to a 92 standard.

Trent however is not a 94 rated CM. If his rating was 91 then it could be considered but I don’t know anyone who in good conscience will make that position change without significantly more data on his position and role. Klopp giving him a free RB role isn’t the same as playing CM in my book.

Yeah, I agree with all that.

 

[The Stain]

I’m not making him a CM.

You can do stuff? Give Alejandro Balde a rise before review so he can get 90 then.

 

[Damien]

Now Reece James seems to be playing that freeish role.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

You can do stuff? Give Alejandro Balde a rise before review so he can get 90 then.

Yes. But it’s only stuff that should happen and it’s always subject to approval from others. So I can make suggestions to SM but ultimately they sign them off.

I am open to serious suggestions and if anyone is interested in joining the team to support then by all means PM me as obviously can’t watch every game of football but there’s a team of us working on the wiki helping to add players, edit positions and support SM with rating reviews.

For example John Stones DM positioning was a suggestion I’d made which SM and the wiki admins approved and actioned.

 

[The Stain]

Yes. But it’s only stuff that should happen and it’s always subject to approval from others. So I can make suggestions to SM but ultimately they sign them off.

I am open to serious suggestions and if anyone is interested in joining the team to support then by all means PM me as obviously can’t watch every game of football but there’s a team of us working on the wiki helping to add players, edit positions and support SM with rating reviews.

For example John Stones DM positioning was a suggestion I’d made which SM and the wiki admins approved and actioned.

Balde is rated 86. Not exatly fair for one of the best lb's in the world this season. Don't think it's a crazy suggestion to say Barca's starting left back in a title winning season is worthy 90.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Balde is rated 86. Not exatly fair for one of the best lb's in the world this season. Don't think it's a crazy suggestion to say Barca's starting left back in a title winning season is worthy 90.

Good and fair points. I’ll see what can be done.

 

[RedSky]

+4 to 90 would be unheard of. Lets also remember that Barcelona went out in the Europa Cup very early on so that should be considered. They also got destroyed in the Copa del Rey.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

+4 to 90 would be unheard of. Lets also remember that Barcelona went out in the Europa Cup very early on so that should be considered. They also got destroyed in the Copa del Rey.

Agreed but a +2 to 88 now would be reasonable with a view to reviewing in the summer.

They’re clear in the league and have only conceded 9 goals in the league in 29 games. While Balde isn’t an out and out defender he’s still a part of that success and I don’t think anyone could disagree he’s underrated at 86 not overrated if placed at 88 now.

Depending on Barcelona’s final position then an argument could be made for 90.

 

[RedSky]

Agreed but a +2 to 88 now would be reasonable with a view to reviewing in the summer.

They’re clear in the league and have only conceded 9 goals in the league in 29 games. While Balde isn’t an out and out defender he’s still a part of that success and I don’t think anyone could disagree he’s underrated at 86 not overrated if placed at 88 now.

Depending on Barcelona’s final position then an argument could be made for 90.

Not a fan of that personally, otherwise there's cases throughout all of Europe for players who should be much higher but won't be. I don't think you can pick and choose who should rise just by hype, Barcelona are not having a good season despite them looking likely to win La Liga, they've done that by sacrificing everything else. If they had done well in Europe and won La Liga it would be a different scenario.

I mean its pretty bullshit with Soccerwiki that youngsters in the top clubs rise so quickly and yet young players doing well at mid table/Europa get a drip feed of +1/+2's. Either do the rating system properly throughout and keep it consistent, or just make it be what it is right now which is utter horseshit.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Not a fan of that personally, otherwise there's cases throughout all of Europe for players who should be much higher but won't be. I don't think you can pick and choose who should rise just by hype, Barcelona are not having a good season despite them looking likely to win La Liga, they've done that by sacrificing everything else. If they had done well in Europe and won La Liga it would be a different scenario.

I mean its pretty bullshit with Soccerwiki that youngsters in the top clubs rise so quickly and yet young players doing well at mid table/Europa get a drip feed of +1/+2's. Either do the rating system properly throughout and keep it consistent, or just make it be what it is right now which is utter horseshit.

The top 5 leagues will always have priority as they are the most widely used in SM and as such there will always be more attention for young players within them. However work being done behind the scenes all completely for free on every smaller league is commendable and the majority of the people supporting do so with good intentions and for the love of SM.

Unfortunately unless SM wants to expand these review positions into actual jobs or gives certain privileges to consistent contributors what you’re asking is impossible for a team of volunteers to do.

We can’t track every player in world football on a rise as you play basis and so have to have set periods for smaller leagues where they are focussed on.

However if you can think of a way to do this or fancy helping out then join the team and contribute.

 

[RedSky]

The top 5 leagues will always have priority as they are the most widely used in SM and as such there will always be more attention for young players within them. However work being done behind the scenes all completely for free on every smaller league is commendable and the majority of the people supporting do so with good intentions and for the love of SM.

Unfortunately unless SM wants to expand these review positions into actual jobs or gives certain privileges to consistent contributors what you’re asking is impossible for a team of volunteers to do.

We can’t track every player in world football on a rise as you play basis and so have to have set periods for smaller leagues where they are focussed on.

However if you can think of a way to do this or fancy helping out then join the team and contribute.

The top five league reviews have gotten worse and worse each time it gets rated. It was bad enough 3/4 years ago now its dismal. So many players get missed, even clubs gets missed these days. Either it's extremely slow or goes through as such a fast pace that they miss a shit ton. It's woeful.

I don't think I'm asking the impossible at all. Soccerwiki is all about hype, get players that have hyped reputations and they'll rise significantly quicker than anyone else even if they're shit. It's just a popularity contest. It's easy enough to actually use stats and common sense to get decent rating changes on a consistent basis. But that doesn't happen and you end up with some leagues been harsh and others being generous for no reason other than the people in charge of reviewing them have different opinions.

The argument for Balde to reach 90 when he started the season at 78 is just bonkers to me, fair fecks if they're winning countless trophies and dominating. But they aren't. They got humiliated in the CL and then humbled by us in the Europa, humiliated again in Copa del Rey. If you do that with Balde then you set a precedence for every other young player that breaks through in a top team. I'm not even sure I can remember a teenager rising that quickly in a season? @Damien might have better knowledge given he tends to have them.

 

[Damien]

The argument for Balde to reach 90 when he started the season at 78 is just bonkers to me, fair fecks if they're winning countless trophies and dominating. But they aren't. They got humiliated in the CL and then humbled by us in the Europa, humiliated again in Copa del Rey. If you do that with Balde then you set a precedence for every other young player that breaks through in a top team. I'm not even sure I can remember a teenager rising that quickly in a season? @Damien might have better knowledge given he tends to have them.

Mbappe might be one of the closer ones going from 78 to 88 in a season, then jumped to 91 in the next midseason review.

Monaco only won the league but made it to the semi finals of the Champions League with Mbappe scoring six goals in the knockouts. It was insane at the time.

Balde at the moment:

Both Balde and Mbappe played a fair bit for their national teams.

Haaland went from 82 to 90 in one season but he had five different reviews and literally broke football.

Then he went to 92 in the next midseason review.

Looking at Southend United, Alphonso Davies went from 83 to 90 (3 reviews) in a season where Bayern won the League, Pokal and Champions League. No other examples in his squad.

He played about 3400 minutes.

Personally I don't mind Balde hitting 90 but an 88/89 this season and another rise in next midseason review would still put him as comfortably one of the fastest rising players of all time and on par with Mbappe in the 78-90+ stakes.

 

[infamous7]

Hi Benito
Ben yedder should be a 93 rated striker
Thank you

 

[RedSky]

Mbappe might be one of the closer ones going from 78 to 88 in a season, then jumped to 91 in the next midseason review.

Monaco only won the league but made it to the semi finals of the Champions League with Mbappe scoring six goals in the knockouts. It was insane at the time.

Balde at the moment:

Both Balde and Mbappe played a fair bit for their national teams.

Haaland went from 82 to 90 in one season but he had five different reviews and literally broke football.

Then he went to 92 in the next midseason review.

Looking at Southend United, Alphonso Davies went from 83 to 90 (3 reviews) in a season where Bayern won the League, Pokal and Champions League. No other examples in his squad.

He played about 3400 minutes.

Personally I don't mind Balde hitting 90 but an 88/89 this season and another rise in next midseason review would still put him as comfortably one of the fastest rising players of all time and on par with Mbappe in the 78-90+ stakes.

*closes book* good work Damo.