The Road Trip Draft

Skizzo said:
Sure. I have Gio, Don’s and Michaelf77777777777777777777777777’s already
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I don’t think it’s likely that any of these will take my pics but unless you can share with me I’ll have to hold off sending mine via PM
 
Arbitrium said:
I don’t think it’s likely that any of these will take my pics but unless you can share with me I’ll have to hold off sending mine via PM
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Why? Skizzo isn't going to share your picks with them is he? So why do you need to know them to send him a pick?
 
Gio picks Luis Suarez

Don picks Vladimir Beara

Michaelf7777777 picks Willi Schulz

Arbitrium picks Schiaffino and Dani Alves

Michaelf7777777 picks David Alaba

Don picks Andrea Pirlo

@Gio
 
1. Himannv - 1. Pelé (16) 2. H. Chumpitaz 3. Cafu (9) FIT 4. M. Laudrup 5. A. Brehme (63) 6. M. Trésor 7. M. Tardelli (16) 8. X. Alonso 9. C. Gentile (7)

2. Jim Beam - 1. J. Cruyff (12) 2. B. Schweinsteiger (3) 3. R. Gullit (3) 4. J. Kohler (4) 5. J. Litmanen (1) 6. V. Voronin (53) 7. H. Stoichkov (5) 8. V. Vasovic (4) 9. G. Grosics (33)

3. Enigma / TRV - 1. L. Messi (2) 2. Ronaldinho (10) 3. F. Redondo (1) 4. C. Alberto (1) FIT 5. G. Facchetti (2) 6. P. Vieira (10) 7. M. Sammer (0) 8. A. Robben (1) 9. G. Banks (2)

4. harms - 1. D. Maradona (1) 2. E. Figueroa (2) FIT 3. P. Maldini (0) 4. M. Amoros (0) 5. E. Davids (5) 6. K. Förster (8) 7. P. Elkjær (165) 8. B. Schuster (0) 9. L. Yashin (0)

5. P-Nut0712 - 1. L. Ronaldo (38) 2. D. Passarella (71) 3. Socrates (119) 4. D. Godin (10) 5. G. Batistuta (5) FIT 6. N. Kante 7. D. Beckham (10) 8. P. Evra (27) 9. M. Overmars (41)

6. Skizzo/Pat - 1. F. Beckenbauer (124) 2. M. Desailly (47) 3. G. Muller (1) 4. J. Neeskens (190) 5. P. Schmeichel (12) 6. J. Johnstone (45) FIT 7. VR Andrade (60) 8. Rivaldo (1) 9. S. Marzolini (45)

7. Moby - 1. C. Ronaldo (117) 2. A. Iniesta (174) 3. L. Figo (8) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (1) 5. G. Bergomi (14) 6. L. Blanc (57) 7. U. Seeler (4) 8. B. Lizarazu (10) 9. E. Gerets (277)

8. willhse456 - 1. M. Platini (10) 2. KH Rummenigge (10) 3. M. van Basten (36) 4. R. Ferdinand (14) 5. J. Tigana (94) 6. A. Cabrini (98) FIT 7. D. Santos (215) 8. P. Montero (283) 9. T. Cerezo (10)

9. Edgar/Allan/Pillow - 1. A. Di Stefano (119) 2. Zico (93) 3. JM Moreno (210) FIT 4. F. Gento 5. S. Matthews (95) 6. B. Vogts (64) 7. D. Edwards (54) 8. M. Neuer (100) 9. E. Ocwirk (10)

10. Indnyc - 1. G. Best (12) 2. B. Charlton (2) 3. D. Law (7) 4. R. Keane (4) 5. R. Giggs (8) 6. P. McGrath (1) FIT 7. N. Santos (6) 8. J. Nasazzi (110) 9. U. Fillol (2)

11. Sjor Bepo - 1. Eusebio (11) 2. Xavi (10) 3. G. Scirea (10) 4. T. Henry (1) 5. P. Lahm (6) 6. J. Stam (10) 7. R. Kopa (8) 8. A. Cole(376) FIT 9. L. Monti (10)

12. MJJ - 1. Garrincha (434) 2. J. Zanetti (10) 3. PR Falcao (10) 4. JL Andrade (10) 5. O. Ruggeri (242) FIT 6. D. Dzajic (8) 7. S. Kocsis (10) 8. M. Sindelar (84)

13. Gio - 1. L. Matthäus (10) 2. F. Rijkaard (28) 3. B. Moore (10) 4. Z. Zidane (35) 5. R. Baggio (10) FIT 6. Jairzinho (160) 7. J. Santamaria (0) 8. Marcelo (9) 9. Luis Suarez (10)

14. Don Alfredo - 1. Romario (10) 2. O. Varela (1) FIT 3. B. Robson (10) 4. R. Krol (4) 5. M. Bossis (10) 6. F. Cannavaro (10) 7. B. Zebec (10) 8. L. Kubala (10) 9. V. Beara (10) 10. A. Pirlo (10)

15. Michaelf7777777 - 1. F. Puskas (6) 2. L. Modric (10) 3. J. Bozsik (57) 4. J. Popluhar (3) 5. P. Nedved 6. Z. Boniek (10) 7. M. Kaltz (66) 8. W. Rooney (10) 9. W. Schulz (10) 10. D. Alaba (10)

16. Arbitrium- 1. F. Baresi 2. L. Thuram (312) 3. A. Nesta 4. C. Makelele (447) 5. P. Breitner 6. J. Masopust (59) FIT 7. R. Carlos 8. M. Kempes (2) 9. J. Schiaffino 10. D. Alves (10)
 
Skizzo said:
Gio picks Luis Suarez

Don picks Vladimir Beara

Michaelf7777777 picks Willi Schulz

Arbitrium picks Schiaffino and Dani Alves

Michaelf7777777 picks David Alaba

Don picks Andrea Pirlo

@Gio
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Nice!
 
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I am happy to have picked up this fabulous guy in round 10 and I really hope he gets the acclaim he deserves, because he has it in him to dominate any midfield in the world (with the right base around him).

Cheers to @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard for posting 99% of my picks. I won‘t get the best drafter award, but if I did, I would share it with you:lol:
 
Added Vierchowod to the list. Just check the time @MJJ if it's ok


1. Himannv - 1. Pelé (16) 2. H. Chumpitaz 3. Cafu (9) FIT 4. M. Laudrup 5. A. Brehme (63) 6. M. Trésor 7. M. Tardelli (16) 8. X. Alonso 9. C. Gentile (7)

2. Jim Beam - 1. J. Cruyff (12) 2. B. Schweinsteiger (3) 3. R. Gullit (3) 4. J. Kohler (4) 5. J. Litmanen (1) 6. V. Voronin (53) 7. H. Stoichkov (5) 8. V. Vasovic (4) 9. G. Grosics (33)

3. Enigma / TRV - 1. L. Messi (2) 2. Ronaldinho (10) 3. F. Redondo (1) 4. C. Alberto (1) FIT 5. G. Facchetti (2) 6. P. Vieira (10) 7. M. Sammer (0) 8. A. Robben (1) 9. G. Banks (2)

4. harms - 1. D. Maradona (1) 2. E. Figueroa (2) FIT 3. P. Maldini (0) 4. M. Amoros (0) 5. E. Davids (5) 6. K. Förster (8) 7. P. Elkjær (165) 8. B. Schuster (0) 9. L. Yashin (0)

5. P-Nut0712 - 1. L. Ronaldo (38) 2. D. Passarella (71) 3. Socrates (119) 4. D. Godin (10) 5. G. Batistuta (5) FIT 6. N. Kante 7. D. Beckham (10) 8. P. Evra (27) 9. M. Overmars (41)

6. Skizzo/Pat - 1. F. Beckenbauer (124) 2. M. Desailly (47) 3. G. Muller (1) 4. J. Neeskens (190) 5. P. Schmeichel (12) 6. J. Johnstone (45) FIT 7. VR Andrade (60) 8. Rivaldo (1) 9. S. Marzolini (45)

7. Moby - 1. C. Ronaldo (117) 2. A. Iniesta (174) 3. L. Figo (8) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (1) 5. G. Bergomi (14) 6. L. Blanc (57) 7. U. Seeler (4) 8. B. Lizarazu (10) 9. E. Gerets (277)

8. willhse456 - 1. M. Platini (10) 2. KH Rummenigge (10) 3. M. van Basten (36) 4. R. Ferdinand (14) 5. J. Tigana (94) 6. A. Cabrini (98) FIT 7. D. Santos (215) 8. P. Montero (283) 9. T. Cerezo (10)

9. Edgar/Allan/Pillow - 1. A. Di Stefano (119) 2. Zico (93) 3. JM Moreno (210) FIT 4. F. Gento 5. S. Matthews (95) 6. B. Vogts (64) 7. D. Edwards (54) 8. M. Neuer (100) 9. E. Ocwirk (10)

10. Indnyc - 1. G. Best (12) 2. B. Charlton (2) 3. D. Law (7) 4. R. Keane (4) 5. R. Giggs (8) 6. P. McGrath (1) FIT 7. N. Santos (6) 8. J. Nasazzi (110) 9. U. Fillol (2)

11. Sjor Bepo - 1. Eusebio (11) 2. Xavi (10) 3. G. Scirea (10) 4. T. Henry (1) 5. P. Lahm (6) 6. J. Stam (10) 7. R. Kopa (8) 8. A. Cole(376) FIT 9. L. Monti (10)

12. MJJ - 1. Garrincha (434) 2. J. Zanetti (10) 3. PR Falcao (10) 4. JL Andrade (10) 5. O. Ruggeri (242) FIT 6. D. Dzajic (8) 7. S. Kocsis (10) 8. M. Sindelar (84) 9. P. Vierchowod (164)

13. Gio - 1. L. Matthäus (10) 2. F. Rijkaard (28) 3. B. Moore (10) 4. Z. Zidane (35) 5. R. Baggio (10) FIT 6. Jairzinho (160) 7. J. Santamaria (0) 8. Marcelo (9) 9. Luis Suarez (10)

14. Don Alfredo - 1. Romario (10) 2. O. Varela (1) FIT 3. B. Robson (10) 4. R. Krol (4) 5. M. Bossis (10) 6. F. Cannavaro (10) 7. B. Zebec (10) 8. L. Kubala (10) 9. V. Beara (10) 10. A. Pirlo (10)

15. Michaelf7777777 - 1. F. Puskas (6) 2. L. Modric (10) 3. J. Bozsik (57) 4. J. Popluhar (3) 5. P. Nedved 6. Z. Boniek (10) 7. M. Kaltz (66) 8. W. Rooney (10) 9. W. Schulz (10) 10. D. Alaba (10)

16. Arbitrium- 1. F. Baresi 2. L. Thuram (312) 3. A. Nesta 4. C. Makelele (447) 5. P. Breitner 6. J. Masopust (59) FIT 7. R. Carlos 8. M. Kempes (2) 9. J. Schiaffino 10. D. Alves (10)

@Gio
 
13. Gio - 7. J. Santamaria (0) 8. Marcelo (9) 9. Luis Suarez (10)

Nicely done.

Santamaria is terribly underrated around here. Surprised Suarez also lasted that long.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Santamaria is terribly underrated around here.
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Is he? He never really impressed me in the few games that I've watched. Terrible era for defenders, of course, but the likes of Wright still managed to impress me in those limited recorded appearances. I know that you're a fan, but I don't think that you can argue that he's in the elite tier of center backs and I'd say that he's rated quite fairly based on his body of work.
 
harms said:
Is he? He never really impressed me in the few games that I've watched. Terrible era for defenders, of course, but the likes of Wright still managed to impress me in those limited recorded appearances. I know that you're a fan, but I don't think that you can argue that he's in the elite tier of center backs and I'd say that he's rated quite fairly based on his body of work.
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Think his stocks went really down lately. In previous all time drafts he was picked in 3rd or 4th pick. In Edgars Auction draft he was rated on par with Scirea for example (not that I'm implying he's as good mind), yet nowadays he's overlooked compared to some other SA defenders.

He played in an attackers dominated era as you mentioned, but his credentials in terms of both in the 54 WC (especially group stage games he was pretty good) and at club level are second to none compared to other CB's from that era.

Of course the tactics and formations at the time allowed for huge gaps in defence which might see him out of position at times, but we have to bear that in mind when we cross compare him to modern day defenders.

He was rather elegant compared to some of the other Uruguayan defenders at the time and to me was a CB ahead of his time.
 
Enigma_87 said:
He was rather elegant compared to some of the other Uruguayan defenders at the time and to me was a CB ahead of his time.
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Yeah... sorry, that's just the last game that I saw of him to date and the image is still fresh in my mind :)
 
harms said:
Yeah... sorry, that's just the last game that I saw of him to date and the image is still fresh in my mind :)
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Was this against Inter in the EC? Yeah, poor awareness of the situation and gets caught in possession, but happens to everybody :)
 
Enigma_87 said:
Think his stocks went really down lately. In previous all time drafts he was picked in 3rd or 4th pick. In Edgars Auction draft he was rated on par with Scirea for example (not that I'm implying he's as good mind), yet nowadays he's overlooked compared to some other SA defenders.

He played in an attackers dominated era as you mentioned, but his credentials in terms of both in the 54 WC (especially group stage games he was pretty good) and at club level are second to none compared to other CB's from that era.

Of course the tactics and formations at the time allowed for huge gaps in defence which might see him out of position at times, but we have to bear that in mind when we cross compare him to modern day defenders.

He was rather elegant compared to some of the other Uruguayan defenders at the time and to me was a CB ahead of his time.
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I think it is fair to say he is not among the greatest stoppers ever. I did a post a while back about XXX and compared his credentials to that of Santamaria.

Let's look at what Santamaria did at the World Cup.

In 1962, he played for Spain and came last in a group with Brazil, Czechoslovakia and Mexico.

1954 was his only World Cup with Uruguay and he was in the Team of the Tournament. His side kept 2 clean sheets in the group stage against Czechoslovakia (not the good version with Masopust) and in a 7-0 waltzing over Scotland. In the knockout stage came the first big opponent, England with Matthews and XXX on the flanks scored 2 against Uruguay. Yet Uruguay prevailed and went on to face Hungary in the SF, only to lose 2-4 after extra time. The 3rd place playoff reads 3-1 for Austria, that adds up to 9 goals conceded in 3 knockout stage matches.

He did reach the team of the tournament and that will hold up over time, but is it worth that much when you look at the quality of Centerbacks in 1954 (and the 50s in general)?. The best sides at the world cup (Hungary and Germany) were incredibly top heavy and lacked quality at the back. Austria had some good center backs, but I would count Ocwirk as a central midfielder in a modern positional sense and I don't even know if there was one other CB in the 50s (besides Santamaria) who was as good as Diego Godin? XXX outshined Godin at the World Cup in my book and I will happily give Santamaria the title of best CB of the 50s, but who was the competition really? Look at those parallels to CB discussions of this decade

I didn't write this to bash Santamaria or to say he was not a great defender cause he was. I wrote this to convey why XXX deserves to be on this stage as much as Santamaria deserves to be here:)
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His world cup credentials really aren't that special and he is fairly rated if he is named alongside the best defenders of today like Godin and XXX, but not among the best ever. Not that it makes him a bad pick or something, I still think he is a massive presence doing a man-marking job on a physical forward.
 
Don Alfredo said:
I think it is fair to say he is not among the greatest stoppers ever. I did a post a while back about XXX and compared his credentials to that of Santamaria.



His world cup credentials really aren't that special and he is fairly rated if he is named alongside the best defenders of today like Godin and XXX, but not among the best ever. Not that it makes him a bad pick or something, I still think he is a massive presence doing a man-marking job on a physical forward.
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I had no idea Vin Diesel played

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Looks the part to be fair
 
Don Alfredo said:
I think it is fair to say he is not among the greatest stoppers ever. I did a post a while back about XXX and compared his credentials to that of Santamaria.



His world cup credentials really aren't that special and he is fairly rated if he is named alongside the best defenders of today like Godin and XXX, but not among the best ever. Not that it makes him a bad pick or something, I still think he is a massive presence doing a man-marking job on a physical forward.
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I don't think we can qualify him as a stopper or a marker considering that man marking wasn't really a thing back then. It emerged later in the 60's with Italy adopting it, and he's a more of a cultured CB who can play as a stopper or a sweeper.

As for the WC credentials I think you are a bit too harsh on him for 62 especially.

He started the first 2 games and didn't play against Brazil where Spain was eliminated basically in the last 4 minutes and it could go either way(even finish 1st in the group).
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think we can qualify him as a stopper or a marker considering that man marking wasn't really a thing back then. It emerged later in the 60's with Italy adopting it, and he's a more of a cultured CB who can play as a stopper or a sweeper.
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From the limited amount of footage I have watched of him, he seemed extremely physical to me. I am a friend of using players in different roles if they have the right attributes for that, even if they never played the role before (Sammer in a back 4 for example alongside the right partner). That is why I think Santamaria would be a very good choice if you need someone to take care of a traditional CF.

I am surprised that you call him a cultured CB, everytime I have watched him he seemed to hoof it up needlessly:nervous:

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As for the WC credentials I think you are a bit too harsh on him for 62 especially.
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I don't know if I am harsh on him regarding the 62 world cup. I can't say he played badly because I didn't watch the games :D , but that group stage exit doesn't add anything to his legacy. He didn't exactly fail at a World Cup level, but his accolades are certainly lower compared to someone like Kohler.
 
Don Alfredo said:
From the limited amount of footage I have watched of him, he seemed extremely physical to me. I am a friend of using players in different roles if they have the right attributes for that, even if they never played the role before (Sammer in a back 4 for example alongside the right partner). That is why I think Santamaria would be a very good choice if you need someone to take care of a traditional CF.

I am surprised that you call him a cultured CB, everytime I have watched him he seemed to hoof it up needlessly:nervous:



I don't know if I am harsh on him regarding the 62 world cup. I can't say he played badly because I didn't watch the games :D , but that group stage exit doesn't add anything to his legacy. He didn't exactly fail at a World Cup level, but his accolades are certainly lower compared to someone like Kohler.
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I've seen him play some good long passes to be honest. He wasn't your typical nowadays ball playing defender (more of the Picchi type of sweeper is what I meant), but he wasn't also limited to the rough and physical style of other Uruguayan defenders from that time. He also used to play as a DM in some games. All in all there isn't too much video evidence but looked ahead of his time for me.

His peak should also be at the turn of the 50's and early 60's. In the end of his career he was prone to more errors (as the ones @harms posted)
 
Theon said:
We probably won’t use him depending on opposition.. but yeah, bizzare really.
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Yeah I could see it is a tactical pick. Benching Didi and an 11th round pick too :lol:, great drafting.
 
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