The Road Trip Draft R1: Jim Beam vs Gio

Who will win this match based on all the players at their peaks?


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Overall for me, Jim's defense looks more balanced and well settled to face Gio's attack as opposed to vice versa, whereas in midfield which is where Gio would like to exert his dominance, he comes against two warriors in Voronin and Schweingsteiger who would be able to go toe to toe in the 'battle'. But that back 4 looks pretty vulnerable against Jim's front 3.
I think it's the other way round to be honest.

Baggio should get the better of the Bessonov/Vasovic axis. Especially when Vasovic is pushing forward as per the formation graphic and as per instructions in OP and the thread. This leaves a highly exploitable gap in the middle of them. He was absolutely sensational in that zone. Look how many of these Baggio beauties came from that area:



He'll have a field day here.
 
Man, it feels like ages since mine and sjor's game.

@Gio Do you not feel having Zidane and baggio ahead of him, limits matthaus full attacking potential?
Not at all. Matthaus is probably the best example of a central midfielder who can decide games by getting beyond his other midfielders. Hell he even played in a midfield three with winger Littbarski and attacking midfielder Hassler for a number of games of Italia '90. Not only that, he has Rijkaard behind him who gives a textbook platform to push on. If anything, Zidane and Baggio give him great link-up options for one-two's in and around Jimbo's box.
 
Not at all. Matthaus is probably the best example of a central midfielder who can decide games by getting beyond his other midfielders. Hell he even played in a midfield three with winger Littbarski and attacking midfielder Hassler for a number of games of Italia '90. Not only that, he has Rijkaard behind him who gives a textbook platform to push on. If anything, Zidane and Baggio give him great link-up options for one-two's in and around Jimbo's box.

Yeah thats why I was thinking you would want him to be the main man in midfield not be sharing the attacking mid role with Zidane and Baggio but yeah the linkeup play between the three will be delightful if it works.
 
I think it's the other way round to be honest.

Baggio should get the better of the Bessonov/Vasovic axis. Especially when Vasovic is pushing forward as per the formation graphic and as per instructions in OP and the thread. This leaves a highly exploitable gap in the middle of them. He was absolutely sensational in that zone. Look how many of these Baggio beauties came from that area:



He'll have a field day here.


Aye. Will you press or not?
 
Why would it do that? He’s a box to box midfielder.

Obviously Matthaus was exceptional offensively but it’s not too far from the Tigana / Kopa / Baggio partnership that you won the last draft with.

Because I rate his offensive ability a lot more than tigana's.

In that midfield, tigana was clearly playing the supporting attack with kopa, baggio the superstars (both of whom have past experience of sharing the stage with other superstars).

As a duo, matthaus and Rijkaard are perfect, just not sure of adding two number tens in front of them.
 
Because I rate his offensive ability a lot more than tigana's.

In that midfield, tigana was clearly playing the supporting attack with kopa, baggio the superstars (both of whom have past experience of sharing the stage with other superstars).

As a duo, matthaus and Rijkaard are perfect, just not sure of adding two number tens in front of them.

Really don’t understand the distinction - Matthaus is a box to box dynamo and he was the best player at the World Cup (and won the Ballon d’Or on the back of it) playing in a midfield with Littbarski and Hassler, with Voller and Klinsman up front to boot.

He’s not a number 10 and really don’t see this chasm between him and Tigana stylistically that you’re getting at. He was better than Tigana on the ball for sure, but also better off it. They’re both players who contribute to both phases.
 
Really don’t understand the distinction - Matthaus is a box to box dynamo and he was the best player at the World Cup (and won the Ballon d’Or on the back of it) playing in a midfield with Littbarski and Hassler, with Voller and Klinsman up front to boot.

He’s not a number 10 and really don’t see this chasm between him and Tigana stylistically that you’re getting at. He was better than Tigana on the ball for sure, but also better off it. They’re both players who contribute to both phases.

Put tigana in your midfield and he will understand his role and defer to Zidane whereas Matthaus has a claim to be on par if not better than Zidane. Both of them will try to dominate the game and the proceedings.
 
As a duo, matthaus and Rijkaard are perfect, just not sure of adding two number tens in front of them.
Lots to like about Gio's as well, especially that midfield three. Big names all over the pitch, maybe there will be a considerable overlap between Baggio and Zidane? Would be interesting to hear some opinions on that. Always had Baggio down as the main playmaker / fantasista of his team.
To be fair though, Baggio wasn't a number 10. He was a classic 9.5

Here's the (same) role he played in when he won the Ballon D'Or - ahead of a 10 in Moller and alongside a hard-working all-round striker in Vialli (read Suarez).

18_juve_1992_93.jpg


As for Zidane, he's shone alongside other 10s or 9.5s in Del Piero, Djorkaeff, Raul, Figo, etc. Ultimately I see there is quite a clear distinction between his role in midfield and Baggio's in the front two.
 
Midfield domination because I have Mattheus and Rijkaard. Will you or will you not put pressure on Vasovic?
 
Midfield domination because I have Mattheus and Rijkaard. Will you or will you not put pressure on Vasovic?
That is the GOAT central midfield partnership imo, would back them to dominate any midfield.
 
Midfield domination because I have Mattheus and Rijkaard. Will you or will you not put pressure on Vasovic?

It’s not outlandish to say that Rijkaard / Matthaus / Zidane would have the beating of most other midfields - as individuals they have entire careers doing exactly that. Put them together and it’s amplified.

As good as Litmanen, Schwein and Voronin were none of the three would be close to making the side.
 
:lol: That’s complete speculation with absolutely nothing backing it up.

You’ve effectively decided they won’t work together on the basis of them both being amongst the best ever players - which is completely ridiculous.

Particularly when they don’t even play close to the same position or have similar roles in the team.

It's based on their playing style and when matthaus attacks he will be in that number ten zone where zidane operates in.

To be fair though, Baggio wasn't a number 10. He was a classic 9.5

Here's the (same) role he played in when he won the Ballon D'Or - ahead of a 10 in Moller and alongside a hard-working all-round striker in Vialli (read Suarez).

18_juve_1992_93.jpg


As for Zidane, he's shone alongside other 10s or 9.5s in Del Piero, Djorkaeff, Raul, Figo, etc. Ultimately I see there is quite a clear distinction between his role in midfield and Baggio's in the front two.

Yeah I wouldnt have an issue if it was just zidane and baggio but with another box to box who has legendary offensive capabilities it just seems like they would get in each others ways.
 
It’s not outlandish to say that Rijkaard / Matthaus / Zidane would have the beating of most other midfields - as individuals they have entire careers doing exactly that. Put them together and it’s amplified.

As good as Litmanen, Schwein and Voronin were none of the three would be close to making the side.

Aye, and only Rijkaard can play in my side from that plethora of yours.
 
Put tigana in your midfield and he will understand his role and defer to Zidane whereas Matthaus has a claim to be on par if not better than Zidane. Both of them will try to dominate the game and the proceedings.
Interestingly Matthaus was never the playmaking general of the team. Have a look at the article below - I like his line about sharing the playmaking duties across a number of players.

World Soccer Magazine, 1989
Lothar Matthaus, 28, the midfield ace and captain of the West German national side looks back on a splendid year. In his first season with Italy's lnternazionale he won the league championship, and with the national team he is on course for the World Cup finals next year.

As an Italian-based player he will be a key figure in the West German set-up. Matthaus has not developed into the playmaker the Germans have been seeking ever since the heydays of Wolfgang Overath and Gunter Netzer had passed. But he is a midfield dynamo with a lethal shot, a grafter and ball winner. His move from Bayern Munich in the summer of 1988 cost Inter £2.5 million, which makes him the third most expensive footballer in German history, after Karl-Heinz Rummenigge and Rudi Voller who were also transferred to Italian clubs. He insists his venture to Italy was "100 per cent right". He admits that the big money did play an important role, but was not the decisive factor. Strongest "I have improved my game because the Italian league is the strongest in the world and with Maradona, Gullit and Van Basten; the world's best players are here".

Lothar Herbert Matthaus was born on March 21, 1961. His first club was the local regional league side FC Herzogenaurach. Contacts to football were forged early thanks to family commitments. His father Heinz has worked for the sports equipment manufacturers Puma for over 30 years as a caretaker. Mother Katharina has been employed there for 18 years, brother Wolfgang for eight years. Only Lothar trained in another occupation-he became, after three years apprenticeship, an interior designer and decorator because his parents insisted that he learnt "a proper job", not just play football.

He was always something of a rebel but now claims he has calmed down. But in his junior career he never played for a Bavarian representative side because he often picked up bookings for dissent. At 18 Matthaus signed for Borussia Monchenladbach, but the escapades continued. Once, caught driving with excess alcohol, his licence was withdrawn for eight months. On another occasion he broke curfew at the national team's quarters and fell foul of the national manager Jupp Derwall. In 1984 Bayern Munich paid £700,000 for the midfielder whose penalty miss for Gladbach had just helped Bayern to win the cup. Matthaus never won anything with Borussia Monchengladbach, but in Munich he gained three championship and one cup-winners medal. In the national side he played 69 times, won a winners medal in the European Championship 1980 and was a World Cup runner up in 1982 and 1986.

Matthaus and wife Silvia, a nursery nurse who is a year older, have two small daughters. Silvia and a couple of business friends look after all Matthaus's financial affairs. Only once did he put his foot down. That was when Bayern demanded that he change his shoe supplier. He refused to give up Puma because "it symbolises the family ties”. As one of his greatest games he describes the World Cup final in Mexico City in 1986 with Argentina. Matthaus was detailed to mark the great Maradona and did the job superbly until Karl Heinz Forster took over the role when the Germans threw everything into attack. What nobody, apart from a couple of German officials knew - Matthaus played with a broken wrist. The match was lost 3-2, but Matthaus can claim to be one of the few to have shackled the Argentine superstar.

To the critics who complain that he is not the playmaker, he retorts: "In modern football it is not necessary to have one 'general' in midfield. It is better to spread the responsibility between two or three players.” His greatest assets are physical engagement and determination especially in tackling. His speed off the mark and technique are exemplary; his shooting from long range and goal instinct outstanding and so is his vision. Only his heading could be improved.

This article originally appeared in the August 1989 edition of World Soccer Magazine. You can subscribe for a ridiculously low sum by clicking here.
 
That's not the answer to my question.
If you're relying on Vasovic to push up and join the midfield battle Baggio and Suarez fed by Zidane will love the space he will leave behind.
 
That is the GOAT central midfield partnership imo, would back them to dominate any midfield.

They can't press, they have a hole on the left which Cruyff likes to occupy (don't know why but there it is). They have most of their attacking coming in the zone which Voronin occupies.

Most of my attacks will come from the zone where Gamarra operates.
 
They can't press, they have a hole on the left which Cruyff likes to occupy (don't know why but there it is). They have most of their attacking coming in the zone which Voronin occupies.

Most of my attacks will come from the zone where Gamarra operates.
Don't see it as a hole, 3 at the back allows Marcelo to bomb forward.
 
If you're relying on Vasovic to push up and join the midfield battle Baggio and Suarez fed by Zidane will love the space he will leave behind.

I am not relying on him, that's my game plan. If you won't press him and he will constantly go into the midfield there is no space behind, there is a control of midfield that they are banging on constantly just based on names.
 
They can't press, they have a hole on the left which Cruyff likes to occupy (don't know why but there it is). They have most of their attacking coming in the zone which Voronin occupies.

Most of my attacks will come from the zone where Gamarra operates.
I’d back the defensively-focused Gamarra to handle Stoichkov better than someone like Cafu would - think it’s weird you see it the other way round.
 
I am not relying on him, that's my game plan. If you won't press him and he will constantly go into the midfield there is no space behind, there is a control of midfield that they are banging on constantly just based on names.
Tbh Suarez is the definition of a pressing striker, all he has to do is stick around Vasovic's side to keep him occupied and pinned back. And from what I know about him he wasn't the fastest defender and in a back 4 that is trouble if caught up the pitch.
 
I’d back the defensively-focused Gamarra to handle Stoichkov better than someone like Cafu would - think it’s weird you see it the other way round.

I'd back offensively focused Cruyff and Stoichkov to kill the game.

The only thing that's weird here is you have this great team and the hole in the area where I'm going to attack the most.
 
Tbh Suarez is the definition of a pressing striker, all he has to do is stick around Vasovic's side to keep him occupied and pinned back. And from what I know about him he wasn't the fastest defender and in a back 4 that is trouble if caught up the pitch.

You can't press with one player.
 
How do we see the battle between Marcelo and Guillit?

Will Marcelo be able to play his usual attacking style?
 
I'd back offensively focused Cruyff and Stoichkov to kill the game.

The only thing that's weird here is you have this great team and the hole in the area where I'm going to attack the most.
I'll back Baggio to kill the game getting in behind Vasovic going walkabout. That's the only hole on the park.
 
Just answer it, no roundabouts...
It's a completely meaningless question without context. Players take their reference from the position of the ball, the position of their team-mates and the position of the other players on the opposition. Those factors determine when a press is triggered.
 
It's a completely meaningless question without context. Players take their reference from the position of the ball, the position of their team-mates and the position of the other players on the opposition. Those factors determine when a press is triggered.

You're not Atletico, there are not any press triggers.
 
You can't press with one player.
No, but Suarez is probably the best striker to press a libero and if he catches him out in a back four it won't end well.
 
You're not Atletico, there are not any press triggers.
You tell Cruyff that - can't imagine him being too chuffed at his manager singing from a different hymn sheet from his '74 boys.
 
Cruyff is the best player on the pitch, glad you mentioned him.
Pity he's up against a Cruyff kryptonite set-up. Not only two centre-halves expert at reading the game and tracking movement, but drops into the hole and he comes up against the GOAT defensive midfielder - the man he described as 'tactically perfect' in Rijkaard. Drift over to the left and he comes into Matthaus's zone, the GOAT central midfielder who has previous in shackling even greater 10s than Cruyff. The further he goes away from goal, the less decisive he becomes.
 
Pity he's up against a Cruyff kryptonite set-up. Not only two centre-halves expert at reading the game and tracking movement, but drops into the hole and he comes up against the GOAT defensive midfielder - the man he described as 'tactically perfect' in Rijkaard. Drift over to the left and he comes into Matthaus's zone, the GOAT central midfielder who has previous in shackling even greater 10s than Cruyff. The further he goes away from goal, the less decisive he becomes.

if Gamarra on the right is Cruyff kryptonite I'm a helicopter.

I admire you for going down swinging...
 
if Gamarra on the right is Cruyff kryptonite I'm a helicopter.

I admire you for going down swinging...
He's a proper defender. Maybe not a fancy name, but the flawlessness of his 1998 tournament is second only to Cannavaro amongst defenders of the last 20 years. Djdn't commit a single foul in the whole tournament. He's a better defender than three of your back four and has previous in shutting down Stoichkov. That's his job.
 
Let's look at how credible Jim's defence is:
  • Vasovic pushing into midfield leaving a big gap for Baggio to exploit. Vasovic is slow at the best of times, never mind when he's giving Baggio and Suarez a 10-yard headstart.
  • Jairzinho's too quick, too powerful and too direct for Junior to defend against when serviced by Zidane, Marcelo, Matthaus and Baggio.
Those two are both well placed to score here.
 
He's a proper defender. Maybe not a fancy name, but the flawlessness of his 1998 tournament is second only to Cannavaro amongst defenders of the last 20 years. Djdn't commit a single foul in the whole tournament. He's a better defender than three of your back four and has previous in shutting down Stoichkov. That's his job.

I would like to know more about it.

I mean I put an article on Vasovic and his strengths (which you ignored), but I would welcome an input on Gamarra next to Cannavaro-