No, it did because you've been WUMming and deluding yourself for the length of it
The relative strength of the Premier League
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Yeah Spurs really showed how important that competition was last night in their eyes.
Somehow they found themselves in this round, playing strong teams across the competition. They neglected Dortmund and thought they could get away not playing some of their first team players. They were probably as ignorant as you are thinking they could still grab a good result due to being a member of PL.
Or maybe they evaluated the situation realistically and knew that even with their best players on they would struggle to beat Dortmund. They decided to concentrate in the PL where they still have a chance to win the title.
Which tells you all you need to know about what kind of club the Spurs seemingly aspire to be, a club which stands near the top of EPL. They gave up the tie before it even started and got lucky to get away with just a 0:3 instead of a hammering with half a dozen goals.
They have to ask themselves why the feck they want to play in the CL if they can´t be arsed to show up at a stage where they could prove themselves against a top 10 Team in Europe, get valuable experience and work on their reputation. Do they not realise how weak it makes them look? We outclassed them in every single aspect. Nearly every Bundesliga team put up a better fight than a supposed title challenger of the EPL. Why should their players believe that they could actually accomplish anything in the CL next season if their coach does not believe in his Team enough to at least have a chance vs. a top club.
I think that's exactly it. Tottenham might not get this close to a chance of winning the title in the next couple of years if other teams get back to their usual strength. I can fully understand it if they want to take that chance and use the EL games to rest players or give other players playing time. It was still a bit strange to see how much they were outclassed last night, couldn't have complained about conceding 5 or 6 goals.
Agreed.
It tells you more about the quality of the top English clubs that Spurs, let alone Leicester, have a genuine chance to win the league. For some reason, the top English teams are really unimpressive. They have wasted a huge amount of money and ended up with being underwhelming. That's a bit strange but it's a matter for another discussion.
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The Premier League is the most competitive league but not as good as the Spanish teams from a technical and tactical perspective.
You still see lots of poor games in England. Our recent game against West Brom was a terrible advertisement for the sport, from both teams. No composure, rushed clearances, hit and hopes.
The English clubs aren't as intelligent with regards to their match preparation and approach to different styles, in my opinion. They don't respect The Europa League enough either and find themselves being outclassed more often than not as a result of this mentality.
You still see lots of poor games in England. Our recent game against West Brom was a terrible advertisement for the sport, from both teams. No composure, rushed clearances, hit and hopes.
The English clubs aren't as intelligent with regards to their match preparation and approach to different styles, in my opinion. They don't respect The Europa League enough either and find themselves being outclassed more often than not as a result of this mentality.
Dear oh dear. You do like to believe your own self-aggrandising narrative don't you?
What last night's game should tell you is that Poch prioritised the Prem League (a) because Spurs have a decent chance to win it (whilst Dortmund don't really have much chance in the Bundesliga); and (b) because finishing in the top 4 - and this having CL football next season - is far from being guaranteed (whilst Dortmund's place in next season's CL is virtually guaranteed by virtue of your league position).
So Dortmund - in contrast to Spurs - were risking nothing by playing their strongest team and, in fact, pretty much only need to focus on the EL. Thus the notion that Pochettino didn't field his strongest XI because he didn't think they could beat Dortmund over two legs is obvious tosh.
Couldn't agree more. What's more, I think, besides being embarrassing, this is also counterproductive. It's not good for a competitive spirit, it's a sign of a bad mentality and attitude, it's not good for match rhythm, and it's simply bafflingly stupid if you realize that their league match on the weekend is against... Aston Villa
Spurs are trailing Leicester by as many points as Dortmund trail Bayern. For Dortmund, the Spurs game followed the Bayern game and is followed by the Mainz game, one of the toughest opponents in BuLi at the moment.
It's absolutely mindboggling how Premier League clubs, with the massive resources advantage they have over their European counterparts, can go on to produce this victim narrative as if their opponents would NOT have to play tough league games before and after.
Embarrassing showing by your club, frankly.
To be fair to Glaston, the gap between the second and third german teams is massive compared to England and there is more chances to see Leicester drop points than Bayern.
Edit: At the same time, it also means that Dortmund can't afford to drop points in Buli while Tottenham could play on both tables and still have a chance to catch Leicester.
100% agree!!
and thatswhy, i hope we destroy them massivly at white hart lane. such a thinking has to be punished!
and just for fun, i hope tuchel will play wiith our "b-team", just to show them that we've got no "b-team", just to show that we got 21 a-team players, thats what you need in modern football..
btw: we started with our second goalkepper, without gündogan, without kagawa. so much for the excuses of tottenham.
You are as many points behind Leicester as Dortmund are behind Bayern albeit with fewer games to play.
Catching Leicester is one thing, catching Bayern Munich is totally another. Moreover, in the Prem there are other chasing contenders - City and Arsenal - whereas in the Bundesliga there are no others. So your comparison falls flat ... even ignoring what I also said about guarantees of CL football by virtue of league position.
Moreover, it's not just about the next immediate game. It's also about resting players - pacing players - with the whole rest of the league season in mind.
What's embarrassing for you is the puffed-up notion that Pochettino - whose Spurs team have beaten Man. City home and away this season by an aggregate score of 5 - 1 - didn't field his strongest team because he didn't think they could beat Dormund over two legs.
Equating Leicester City with Bayern Munich shows a silliness that is rather typical of your posts I'm afraid.
What? You are 5 points behind leader, they are 5 points behind leader. To say that they have nothing to play for in the league is your typical Glaston bullshit. Their chances might be smaller because Bayern are a better team than Leicester and more likely to hold their position but on the other hand Dortmund are absolute lightyears ahead of Spurs too so much more likely to capitalize on Bayern's mistakes than you are on Leicester's.
Could he? Dortmund are miles ahead of Spurs in terms of quality and it's not even debatable. He probably (correctly) estimated his chances as better in PL than in Europa League against much superior opposition.
Fight all year to get into the European places the following season then give up on it. Same story every year.
Bayern have only dropped 12 points in the 25 league games they have played. I think they use head to head there so I don't think Dortmund have any chance of winning it
Theres a gulf between the two. Look at Spurs' squad. It's not a patch on Dortmund's. One's attack at best is Kane, Lamela and Ericsson/Chadli. The other's is Aubameyang, Reus and Mkhytarian/Kagawa. Spurs' have a decent midfield when everyone plays but noone of the class of Gundogan.
Pochettino has done a terrific job so far but he'll have to add a lot more talent as well as continue his good coaching to match a side like Dortmund at their best (one off performances aside).
A problem with Spurs' is that their attacking talent is pretty average. If they had a bit more I'd bet big on them for the league. But they're highly reliant on energy, cohesivensss and defensive disciple getting them wins. That's now they're looking shakey. 6 goals conceded in the last three and their attack isn't compensating.
Pochettino has done a terrific job so far but he'll have to add a lot more talent as well as continue his good coaching to match a side like Dortmund at their best (one off performances aside).
A problem with Spurs' is that their attacking talent is pretty average. If they had a bit more I'd bet big on them for the league. But they're highly reliant on energy, cohesivensss and defensive disciple getting them wins. That's now they're looking shakey. 6 goals conceded in the last three and their attack isn't compensating.
You don't say ...
You also don't mention the existence of other title contenders in the Prem - Arsenal and Man. City - when there are no others in the Bundlesliga .... curious that.
The main fight is to try and get into the CL, not the EL ... but it seems like you want to conveniently ignore the difference.
You don't say ...
You also don't mention the existence of other title contenders in the Prem - Arsenal and Man. City - when there are no others in the Bundlesliga .... curious that.
Yeah but it works both ways, you don't really think that Dortmund stopped fighting for the title? They need to be spotless in Bundesliga, they can't afford bad results. On the other hands Tottenham can afford one or two disappointing results because the other contenders are extremely inconsistent and Leicester are on paper more susceptible to drop points than Bayern.
In my opinion both clubs could have played their strongest teams.
I think that it would be alot closer but even with both teams at full strenght, Dortmund is clearly superior in relation to Spurs. They have more experience in european big games as well. But I understand why Pochettino rested influencial players. Sporting did exactly the same against Leverkusen. Clubs have their own strategies and priorities. Nothing wrong with that. Just hope in the end of the season you don't end up with nothing.
No, we don't.
Makes no odds, next season you'll give up on CL games in order to fight for PL position to make sure you're in the following season's CL. Rinse and repeat.
If I was a spurs fan I would be annoyed if Pochettino played his full team against Dortmund. This season is all about the league for them and they haven't been this close in decades. They are real underdogs in the league and have a wage budget that's even way lower than Liverpool so it will be hard to get into this kind of position regularly
Dortmund are the second biggest club in Germany
Dortmund are the second biggest club in Germany
Oh, goal difference gap is pretty large anyway so point remains the same
They can also score more points, why would they be leveled?
Didn't realise how far behind other teams are to Bayern in the bundesliga. Gap from 1 to 3rd is the same as 1 to 11th position in the premier league.
I just meant it as they need to make up 6 points even though gap is 5. And when bayern only dropped 12 in 25 that is very hard with 9 games left. Probably require them to win 9/9
That was pathetic by spurs and all this prioritizing nonsense, is just that, nonsense. They have villa coming up for gods sake and they sacrificing a chance to see what they can actually do against one of the elites of Europe. More so, that line up by Dortmund wasn't that strong so they'd have stood somewhat of a decent chance. I think he though he could get away with a draw or a minor loss and look to turn it around at WHL. When you're a big club(which i presume is what spurs aim to be) every game is there to be won. Doesn't matter in what competition, every match a side that can win the match is put out there. If SAF was managing he'd have rested players for the Villa tie and not the Dortmund one which was obviously the most difficult game they're likely to face through the season.
But if Bayern can drop 5, they can drop 6.
Edit: And what you are saying here is that Dortmund had more reasons to play a weaker team, since they need to be perfect in the league.
You don't say ...
You also don't mention the existence of other title contenders in the Prem - Arsenal and Man. City - when there are no others in the Bundlesliga .... curious that.
Well they're both behind you. It's not very important, they have to finish above Bayern, you have to finish above Leicester. You're already ahead of all other teams. To say that Dortmund have no chance to win the league is idiotic. For them it's even more important to win every game in the league because Bayern won't make as many mistakes as Leicester could, and they definitely have not given up hope - yet they somehow managed to field a good team and embarrass you.
Apart from Kane, Dembele, and the two center halves there's nothing all that impressive about the rest of their team. Them being in second place shows you how far the prem has fallen.
exactly that!
realy disappointet from tottenham. the second of the pl. how designating.and now: only excuses.
pff, if that were the case, why they arrived at dortmund in the first place? could have stayed at home and prepare for the "football-giants" villa. ^^
Even if Spurs had put their first team out Dortmund would of slapped them.