Another way of looking at it is: people like them, let's make some more of them.
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But why make them longer?!
More more of the same.
Technically true but you never hear anyone enthusing about all the additional content in a three hour film. The fact that a movie is that long is definitely more likely to put off punters than attract them. And it must cost more to make than a shorter film. So what’s going on?!?
I assume because of streaming.
In cinemas, its all about amounts of screenings do it's better to make it shorter to give the film more screenings.
Streaming is about time consumed so better to make it longer.
Look at most Netflix original movies... Needlessly long.
I could be wrong but that's my assumption.
Don't Worry Darling
I was kind of enjoying the setup but it's very predictable and doesn't land the ending. Kind of feels like the film started with a purpose but lost that purpose as it played out. Didn't help that Florence Pugh was really good that it made Harry Styles look silly in comparison 4/10
The Woman King
Well shot, well acted film with a banging score. Viola Davis is really good and it felt like it's primed to be a top top film... But for some reason, I wasn't as hooked as I hoped I would be... Maybe the action wasn't as good as it needed to be 6/10
I was kind of enjoying the setup but it's very predictable and doesn't land the ending. Kind of feels like the film started with a purpose but lost that purpose as it played out. Didn't help that Florence Pugh was really good that it made Harry Styles look silly in comparison 4/10
The Woman King
Well shot, well acted film with a banging score. Viola Davis is really good and it felt like it's primed to be a top top film... But for some reason, I wasn't as hooked as I hoped I would be... Maybe the action wasn't as good as it needed to be 6/10
Totally agree with you on both these.
I was so annoyed by the second half of Speak No Evil.
I heard @Sweet Square doing just that the other day.
I dont get why people complain about lenght of a movie. If it's well warranted why is it a bad thing?
They're making the best bang for our bucks
They're making the best bang for our bucks
Some of best films ever are 3 hours+.
I think you’re right, though it’s less that streaming rewards things being long per say, as much as simply “most creatives won’t edit their work unless you make them”
As you say, studios prefer movies to be a certain length, and TV shows used to be edited for the ease of scheduling… but now we don’t need to do that, plus it also quite an attractive proposition to writers and directors that we don’t….
However I would counter this by pointing out that Quentin Tarantino’s long time editor died between Ingloriois Basterds and Django, and you can absolutely fecking tell.
Oh yeah creatives always wanna make it longer... Not always a good thing though.
Clearly @Pogue Mahone hasn’t seen the 3 hour long fan edit of Blue Velvet. Which includes a 2 minute long scene of a dog eating from a bowl and a belly dancing stand up act.
At least when Bollywood makes a 3.5 hour movie they give you a 10 minute dance break in the middle. I would say very few movies over three hours justify their length. Apocalypse Now, The Godfather part 2, The Right Stuff. Looking through a list ostensibly of best movies over 3 hours on Rotten Tomatoes, most of them are documentaries, and not buying the idea that Titanic, and The Irishman earned their spot in That list.
Milk
A wonderful bio about the first openly gay politician in California. Regarding LGBTQ+ rights, the more things change, the more they stay the same. This movie has definite relevance in today’s America. Sean Penn was excellent as Harvey Milk.
8.5/10
A wonderful bio about the first openly gay politician in California. Regarding LGBTQ+ rights, the more things change, the more they stay the same. This movie has definite relevance in today’s America. Sean Penn was excellent as Harvey Milk.
8.5/10
Aftersun I really liked this film but it wasn't as good as expected. The performances were excellent, especially Frankie Corio, but the film was too invested in being low-key arthouse rather than telling the emotional story. You were left wanting to know more about the characters that you cared about. 7.5/10
Basic inflation, mate. Those 2023 minutes are only worth 65% of the 2014 minutes.
The More You Ignore Me (2018), with Ella Hunt. I like Ella Hunt, she was charming in Anna & the Apocalypse. She has a classic beauty that will make her get prettier the older she gets (whereas some really attractive younger actresses age poorly). This movie was ostensibly about a family with a slightly nutty mother, a Bildungsroman set to songs by The Smiths.
Well, I think there were 3 songs by The Smiths, and the title is from a Morrissey solo record. They kinda forgot about the whole Morrissey angle after a half hour. It was one of those English films where they can’t decide if they are going to be whimsical and twee, or if they’re going to be dark and heavy, so doing both in the same film is tonally a hot mess.
Ella’s character’s mother is schizophrenic, which the trailer tries to disguise as “quirky and comedic”, but in the actual movie and in reality is scary as feck, she’s violent and hearing voices and puts herself in danger. She develops psychotic fixations on people on the TV. She’s manic. She has to be sedated so heavily she becomes catatonic. She breaks shit, she runs away, she climbs out onto the roof, she’s filthy. Hilarious shit, that.
Ella is pursued by a skinny, dorky ginger twat, but I guess it’s supposed to be cute?? Their relationship is anything but endearing. It’s mostly pathetic. I think he’s supposed to be slightly posh? His parents are dicks.
At no point does the film come to grips with the title or with the song. It has nothing to do with invading someone’s mind landscape. Ella lives in Luton which here looks like an absolute shit hole. Films like this that recreate a specific era can be confusing when set in a [for me] foreign country. The 80s did not look in California as they did in this version of Luton, so were the people in question supposed to look 10 years out of date, with all their possessions looking shit? And Ella’s dad appears to have the job of reading old books, he’s kind of a fat waster but the village (is Luton a village?) doctor has a crush on him.
They never explain why Ella likes Morrissey, they don’t discuss his lyrics or his voice, his appearance is mocked, so she just kind of likes him for no reason on autopilot. Like, were they suddenly denied the rights to discuss song lyrics, so they just gave up and let it be weird?
And as the film starts with the schizophrenic mother developing an infatuation with the local weatherman, was this not supposed to seem ominous since Ella thinking Moz is singing “just for her” and becoming obsessed with him is the exact same thing? This film didn’t seem aware of the parallels it was itself drawing. Are we supposed to champion Ella and the skinny ginger twat, or are we supposed to be horrified because Ella will herself become a paranoid schizophrenic?
I thought this was going to be funny but it’s mostly miserable. I think they were going for a “My Life As A Dog” vibe but they failed. Morrissey does not appear in this film. English people are cnuts (in the film). English housing and English food are the stuff of nightmares.
Mainly it’s an anti-tourism ad for England.
3/10
Well, I think there were 3 songs by The Smiths, and the title is from a Morrissey solo record. They kinda forgot about the whole Morrissey angle after a half hour. It was one of those English films where they can’t decide if they are going to be whimsical and twee, or if they’re going to be dark and heavy, so doing both in the same film is tonally a hot mess.
Ella’s character’s mother is schizophrenic, which the trailer tries to disguise as “quirky and comedic”, but in the actual movie and in reality is scary as feck, she’s violent and hearing voices and puts herself in danger. She develops psychotic fixations on people on the TV. She’s manic. She has to be sedated so heavily she becomes catatonic. She breaks shit, she runs away, she climbs out onto the roof, she’s filthy. Hilarious shit, that.
Ella is pursued by a skinny, dorky ginger twat, but I guess it’s supposed to be cute?? Their relationship is anything but endearing. It’s mostly pathetic. I think he’s supposed to be slightly posh? His parents are dicks.
At no point does the film come to grips with the title or with the song. It has nothing to do with invading someone’s mind landscape. Ella lives in Luton which here looks like an absolute shit hole. Films like this that recreate a specific era can be confusing when set in a [for me] foreign country. The 80s did not look in California as they did in this version of Luton, so were the people in question supposed to look 10 years out of date, with all their possessions looking shit? And Ella’s dad appears to have the job of reading old books, he’s kind of a fat waster but the village (is Luton a village?) doctor has a crush on him.
They never explain why Ella likes Morrissey, they don’t discuss his lyrics or his voice, his appearance is mocked, so she just kind of likes him for no reason on autopilot. Like, were they suddenly denied the rights to discuss song lyrics, so they just gave up and let it be weird?
And as the film starts with the schizophrenic mother developing an infatuation with the local weatherman, was this not supposed to seem ominous since Ella thinking Moz is singing “just for her” and becoming obsessed with him is the exact same thing? This film didn’t seem aware of the parallels it was itself drawing. Are we supposed to champion Ella and the skinny ginger twat, or are we supposed to be horrified because Ella will herself become a paranoid schizophrenic?
I thought this was going to be funny but it’s mostly miserable. I think they were going for a “My Life As A Dog” vibe but they failed. Morrissey does not appear in this film. English people are cnuts (in the film). English housing and English food are the stuff of nightmares.
Mainly it’s an anti-tourism ad for England.
3/10
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Operation Finale (2018)
Based on the true story of the Israeli secret agents abduction of the nazi Adolf Eichmann in Argentina in 1960 and bringing him to Israel to stand trial. Apart from the added Hollywood drama bits it’s pretty good.
6/10.
Based on the true story of the Israeli secret agents abduction of the nazi Adolf Eichmann in Argentina in 1960 and bringing him to Israel to stand trial. Apart from the added Hollywood drama bits it’s pretty good.
6/10.
I thought it told more about them by showing less...it's probably what impressed me about it most. But I did watch it delightfully drunk in Berlin so it is entirely possible my critical faculties are not to be trusted.
I think my main problem was that you assumed that he killed himself very early on in the film and at the end it still just suggested that he killed himself. You learnt nothing new.
Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre If you were looking for a repeat of The Gentleman you will be very disappointed. The action is meh. The dialogue wooden and the comedy not actually funny. I should have stuck.with my gut and never watched anything with Jason Statham in it. 3/10
I agree.
What are the odds of you both watching it drunk in Berlin?
Top Gun Maverick
I really enjoyed it!
Hit the same beats and elements of the first movie. Probably all round a better movie.
Top sequel 8/10
I really enjoyed it!
Hit the same beats and elements of the first movie. Probably all round a better movie.
Top sequel 8/10
Fury
Never watched this when it came out as I kind of had my fill of war movies, but decided to check it out the other night. I think it's a well-made film with some great cinematography and well-shot battle scenes. The acting is...fine. Nothing special, although Jon Bernthal is really going for it, and I can’t say I’m a big fan of Logan Lerman. But in the main, it’s solid. So while this movie isn’t in the pantheon of great war movies, I was enjoying it fine
However.
This is another case of a movie being torpedoed by its ending, which was fecking absurd and ridiculous to the point where it ruined the movie. Obviously, the ending of a film is typically the thing that sticks with you the most (at least initially), so whatever positives I did have about the film, were far outweighed by the absurdity of that last 20 minutes, or so. Shite
Never watched this when it came out as I kind of had my fill of war movies, but decided to check it out the other night. I think it's a well-made film with some great cinematography and well-shot battle scenes. The acting is...fine. Nothing special, although Jon Bernthal is really going for it, and I can’t say I’m a big fan of Logan Lerman. But in the main, it’s solid. So while this movie isn’t in the pantheon of great war movies, I was enjoying it fine
However.
This is another case of a movie being torpedoed by its ending, which was fecking absurd and ridiculous to the point where it ruined the movie. Obviously, the ending of a film is typically the thing that sticks with you the most (at least initially), so whatever positives I did have about the film, were far outweighed by the absurdity of that last 20 minutes, or so. Shite
I thought the film was absolutely devastating emotionally. It's the subtly that does it because it creeps up on you out of nowhere, and then you get that big release (well, I did, anyway) at the end. Too often films bang you around the head and manipulate you into feeling a certain emotion (I mean all films manipulate you, but you get what I'm saying) where it isn't earned, but this one is crafted in such a way that you don't feel it until you do, if you know what I mean.
I can see why some may not be as emotionally invested. It is a slow film that may leave you thinking "is that it then?" But it worked for me.
What do you mean by "you learnt nothing new"? You learn a lot about their relationship and about his struggles, even if it's mostly through suggested moments.
What did we learn in the last 2/3rds of the film? Other than ramping up the themes you already know/strongly suspect? The carpet also seemed purely a plot device which was a bit annoying. I did enjoy it but I wanted more from the last half of the film. It wouldn't have needed to be much or changed the nature of the film, but added some depth to the story. At the end both of us though "is that it"?
I didn't find the end that emotional as it was obvious from very early on so I didn't find anything creep up on me. If there had been some sort of reveal near the end I'd probably have liked it far more (and I did enjoy it).
Fantastic. Really looking forward to this one.
Same. Really enjoyed The Last Duel so have high hopes for this one.
this too
Christ, that looks so shit even with the ensemble cast.
Shit feels a bit strong but it definitely looks mediocre by his usual standards.
I'm going to blame it squarely on the lack of Bill Murray.
Same. Each time with a new movie of his I think to myself how can Wes Anderson out-Wes Anderson Wes Anderson, but lo and behold, Wes Anderson finds a way.
If you think Bill Murray would redeem it you should watch Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou again.