The Redcafe Decades Draft Tournament
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Theon : 1. Maradona 2. Ronaldo
Brwned : 1. Best 2. Falcao
antohan : 1. Facchetti 2. Zanetti
VP : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea
AldoRaine18 : 1. Cruyff 2. Thuram
KM : 1. Zidane 2. Neeskens
Stobzilla : 1. Baresi 2. Charles
Cutch : 1. Iniesta 2. Maldini
Brwned : 1. Best 2. Falcao
antohan : 1. Facchetti 2. Zanetti
VP : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea
AldoRaine18 : 1. Cruyff 2. Thuram
KM : 1. Zidane 2. Neeskens
Stobzilla : 1. Baresi 2. Charles
Cutch : 1. Iniesta 2. Maldini
Pirlo was already out, the question is whether Ronaldo or Cafú will come on.
i.e. Greaves upfront or Mauro Ramos in defence.
There's only one way Theon will go there.
To quote him: "I can't help it"
Where is he anyway? Delivering a barrel at the sperm bank?
You seriously underrate Redondo anto, is it some south american thing? I know you are a big Schuster fan but for me it is not even a comparison. Fernando's in a class of his own. "magnet in his boots" as the great man said.
I rate him alright and I'm not saying Schuster is a like-for-like, as he isn't at all. Playmaking I'd have them as about even, but what Redondo has on him defensively, Schuster has on him in attacking play. Schuster scored more goals in his best season than Redondo in his entire career, we are obviously comparing different players here.
All I'm saying is I can replicate what he contributes. It's good to have it in one package of course, but I was never going to drop Desailly or Hierro and the options they give me for it. The only man they would get dropped for was Diego.
I really liked Redondo. I followed him since his days emerging in Argentina (I vividly remember the first time I read about him in El Gráfico back in the 80s, I thought it was unfortunate to be called Redondo and have such a round face!) and was a big fan back in his Tenerife days when they gave Real a fair few headaches. So many they had to take him and Valdano from them!
I don't think you can replicate what he offers through your players, even if you ignore the fact that he comes with several attributes in one package. His defensive ability and breaking up play is completely missing in yours and I don't think you can replicate that by having headless chickens like Luis Enrique chasing shadows when the likes of Stoichkov, Messi and Iniesta are knocking the ball around. You need someone with great defensive discipline and anticipation to cut the ball of before it becomes a danger. You can take out Rivera/Iniesta out of the game effectively and cut off the supply like with a player like Redondo in your team. With your current options, I can't see you being fully aware of the danger coming your way to be there in time and cut it off.
I don't see where you thought i'd play him. I had more pressing concerns to deal with.
It was Giggs I was referring to. You could have picked him up easy enough couldn't you?
The scenario I had was dropping Mauro and pairing Redondo with Voronin and Breitner at left back.
When are the fixtures Aldo?
I am free whenever now, preferably not the weekend though but can do that if Stobz wants to
I am free whenever now, preferably not the weekend though but can do that if Stobz wants to
Not sure why you pick on Luis Enrique there when obviously that is the one player I don't have for that purpose. Hierro, Desailly, Schuster, Junior, Schweinsteiger, Zanetti, they all have what you are talking about in abundance, spread across them rather than in one man who, after all, can't be everywhere himself.
Look at what Bayern did to Barca with the "lesser" of those players.
7-0.
Look at what Bayern did to Barca with the "lesser" of those players.
7-0.
This is what I have in plan right now :
Friday 23rd : AldoRaine18 vs Brwned
Saturday 24th : antohan vs Cutch
Sunday 25th : KM vs VP
Tuesday 27th : Theon vs Stobzilla
Everyone okay with that?
Friday 23rd : AldoRaine18 vs Brwned
Saturday 24th : antohan vs Cutch
Sunday 25th : KM vs VP
Tuesday 27th : Theon vs Stobzilla
Everyone okay with that?
That's rippin apart my engine room, no way man.
Was either gonna be Figueroa-Thuram or Maldini-Iniesta. The pair ups was the key in the end and knowing I've first refusal on C Alberto/Thuram/Zanetti if I go through
I think I will continue this in your game, but the point was that neither of them bring the defensive discipline and intelligence Redondo does in midfield. It is tough to make my point completely without going into saying how I see things panning out against Cutch which is why I'd leave it till then.
I'm okay with that
Aye great job on the pair ups. Huge confidence boost.
I rate Joya though, I won't be patching him up just because he won't get votes. I'm happy with how he works with Eusebio and Garrincha, just needed that extra bit from Facchetti which Junior didn't really provide.
I won't go around saying Junior is some sort of Bobby Carlos when he certainly wasn't, he was more the cerebral playmaker putting an early cross or diagonal ball than a defence-stretching attacking fullback. He could do that on occasion, but that's not what his game was about. I wanted someone to do that job and Facchetti is the one who delivers it.
Saturday is the best day for me Aldo so that's worked out well. That is assuming I don't go on the lash after football
I think you made the right move.
Just based on individuals, seems like Theon got the real deal.
It's an interesting one. Zidane's got pedigree as an inside-left drifting into the centre as he did for France and Real. But Laudrup's the better roamer and is more likely to skip around a full-back if the situation demanded it.
I would rather Laudrup roamed across the frontline than being stuck on the left because Zidane is centre-leftish, whether he can skip a fullback or not. Hamrin would also be better supported I reckon.
With Romario the man in the box I would build it all around his proven partner having the freedom to search for how best to play him through on goal. Zidane is just a handy bonus really IMO.
I'm sure he thought I was trying to push him away from Maradona when I said Ronaldo would last. He said I was mad, it was never going to happen, etc.
Bias aside, I think I've done extremely well in this draft.
The strongest team in the game right now.
The strongest team in the game right now.
Brwned vs Cutch in the final if they don't face each other in the semis.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
Bias aside, I think I've done extremely well in this draft.
The strongest team in the game right now.
Dark horse I'd say. Being harder to work out could work against you but you have some good stuff going there. Need to look at the defence next though, no doubt.
You really are in a foul mood today aren't you? It's contagious, go read your WW role for a distraction.
Not really man. Just think these are two of the strongest teams votes wise. At this stage no one has any glaring weakness, so popularity and familiarity comes greatly into picture.
Having said that all my predictions have come wrong so far so I'd probably not read much into it.
In short you'd have people look at Iniesta-Messi, Maldini-Nesta, Charlton-Best and close their eyes. It's likely to take these teams a long way.
You may as well stop playing this then, what's the point if ultimately all you would try to do is recreate known partnerships?
Much of the interest in the drafting side of things comes from trying new stuff and looking past the player names and reputations and into their attributes and how they could produce something. Surely that's what managers in real life have to do when deciding on a transfer or spotting what young talent to fasttrack into the first team. The buzz is not that much in recreating what worked but finding what might, at least for me. It really is just a muppets fantasy game otherwise.
That's why I had got all excited about my Desailly-Hierro-Thuram back three with Facchetti and Luis Enrique as wingbacks before you had to come in and screw it based on a friggin' coin toss!
I defeated Giggs, Best, Robson, Irwin last time around. I'm not afraid of anyone. Bring it on!
Dunno, maybe that's why I am so patient and active in looking for the logic in a side when others seem more "logical".
I totally agree with you that a lot of the excitement for me comes from putting different players together and using your own vision to make them work. Having said that it is the hard truth that proven partnerships (holy trinity in particular ) do give voters extra confidence. Nothing we can do about that. I won't be voting based on that and I'd respect anyone who has put thought into the setup and made it work, but overall we'd be in the minority.
) do give voters extra confidence. Nothing we can do about that. I won't be voting based on that and I'd respect anyone who has put thought into the setup and made it work, but overall we'd be in the minority.The only proven partnership in that is Giggs and Irwin and the flank partnership is least concentrated on IMO. You take Pele and Garrincha together in one team and see the world burn.
Says Laudrup-Romario
But no, seriously, what I like in your side is that every time those two or something along those lines has been tried before it has also tried to replicate the entire approach of that side. With Beckenbauer and Zidane here you are putting together a much different setup. The "proven" logic would support the former approach but I must say I'm quite intrigued. Will you get me to rate it higher than the Dream Team? It surely has to be possible when having access to great players from six decades.
It is difficult though.
I wanted Pelé
but also behind Eusebio, and with Carlos Alberto. Mindfeck from the off that has been.I'd love to have seen that. Nobody has the balls to go back three any more.You may as well stop playing this then, what's the point if ultimately all you would try to do is recreate known partnerships?
Much of the interest in the drafting side of things comes from trying new stuff and looking past the player names and reputations and into their attributes and how they could produce something. Surely that's what managers in real life have to do when deciding on a transfer or spotting what young talent to fasttrack into the first team. The buzz is not that much in recreating what worked but finding what might, at least for me. It really is just a muppets fantasy game otherwise.
That's why I had got all excited about my Desailly-Hierro-Thuram back three with Facchetti and Luis Enrique as wingbacks before you had to come in and screw it based on a friggin' coin toss!
Frankly it will take you down more often than not in a fantasy competition unless you have real firewpower to go with the defensive players. The wingbacks are usually great attacking threats in reality but are never acknowledged for that truly in a competition happening on paper.
Yeah you'd probably lose half a dozen votes with a back three irrespective of the players on the park. I remember gambling with this in a previous 60s final, albeit the default would've been Berthold for Donadoni:
Exactly. That'd work like a charm in real but so much depends on the wingbacks that it would bomb on here.
Oh and by the way anto, Gio agrees with me that using Hierro in midfield is optimum.
Oh and by the way anto, Gio agrees with me that using Hierro in midfield is optimum.