The Redcafe Decades Draft Tournament

Yep. He's not really an 8th round pick but he was more likely to go than 2 of my future picks (and the other 1 Isotope can't have) as theres a few of you still needin a left back, and i do also have the option of Breitner to play there depending on the opposition.

Last round was carnage for fullbacks.
 
Cutch said:
Jordi Alba
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Great pick actually, the average voter may see him in the top half of all picked LBs by the time we are done.

I should have put more thinking into 80s targets as there actually are some very competitive ones. I've been sitting too comfortably on the availability of gazillions of AMs that can hold a role while waiting for the Ronnies or Messi.

What screws the decade up is the scrutiny though. I considered Casillas yesterday but decided against it as I could foresee being in a game against Messi and some idiot mentioning him putting X past him, uploading vids, etc. I also once saw -live- Southampton put six past an unpicked keeper, shit happens. You go pick some random older keeper and suddenly no one has an opinion on him. :rolleyes:
 
Cutch said:
Aldo should have isotopes pick. I've pm'd both of them. I'm good to go then after they go
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We need to accelerate this or we may end up stuck at VPs end.

ALL, I'll be around all day so happy to get picks sorted for you. In many cases you would probably be safe providing options (I'm out of 40s, 50s and 60s).

Let's kick on.
 
Sorry lads, was sleeping.

Isotope's picks:

One of the best strikers of his generation at his pomp.. Andriy Shevchenko

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And the shining star alongside Eusebio in the mighty Benfica team.. Mario Coluna

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo​
 
Another flying fullback on the right side. Wim Suurbier.




Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo​
 
Brwned said:
I agree with antohan re: Baggio, personally. He's completed wasted in the team and you'd be much better off with a proper striker. I wouldn't call Henry and him similar players at all. He's closer to Henry's partner in crime at Arsenal.
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I'll have Baggio as second striker to the right / right forward. How will he be completely wasted?
 
Stobzilla said:
Josef Masopust.



But seriously isotope. Die.
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I left my picks about 6-7hrs ago to Aldo at 11 pm here. I'm sorry I didn't know he wouldn't be available up to minutes ago. I'll ask next time to other posters.
 
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Masopust.


Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo
 
Stobzilla said:
I
thought we had a kinship with our trying to fit too many people behind a main striker strategy, then you take Coluna. You've cut me deep.
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Oh :lol: I thought it was for me delaying others to pick. Brwned gave me that name since two picks ago. I was gambling with Makelele first, as I need one known DM first, and cross fingered Coluna would survive. Maybe also blame Jayvin, as I was contemplating taking Casillas and get rid off that nuisance 80's.
 
Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo
 
Isotope said:
I'll have Baggio as second striker to the right / right forward. How will he be completely wasted?
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Everything he will be doing everyone would have assumed Maradona was doing anyway. I know it's not exactly equivalent, but would it make sense to get two left backs? You are giving up on extra width or steel in midfield/defence to add a player whose main assets/contribution are largely taken care of.

Yes, you could have a strike pair with Baggio being one of them and then Maradona playing centrally but deeper. Iniesta then goes CM but with Maradona ahead his impact is lessened, when you picked him there were a fair few CMs who would do a much better and complementary job there. Also, that entails relying on fullbacks for most of the width. Can a side play and win that way? Yes. Should a side with Maradona do that? Not really. Baggio is not adding as much as you are substracting for the sake of including him.

Overall, yes, you can find a way of fitting them all together, but you haven't picked players for a system or built a team around the ultimate star (Maradona). You got many players and then have tried work out how to make them play together, which is bound to deliver a poorer side.
 
Stobzilla said:
Could you just imagine Masopust - Keane - Coluna ?

He stole it from me.
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Not really, I haven't seen enough of Masopust or Coluna to possibly work that out. I'd say most voters would be sitting where I am so you may have dodged a bullet there.

That said, I do get that first and foremost we want sides we would love to see playing and don't give two shits what the voters may think :D
 
antohan said:
Everything he will be doing everyone would have assumed Maradona was doing anyway. I know it's not exactly equivalent, but would it make sense to get two left backs? You are giving up on extra width or steel in midfield/defence to add a player whose main assets/contribution are largely taken care of.

Yes, you could have a strike pair with Baggio being one of them and then Maradona playing centrally but deeper. Iniesta then goes CM but with Maradona ahead his impact is lessened, when you picked him there were a fair few CMs who would do a much better and complementary job there. Also, that entails relying on fullbacks for most of the width. Can a side play and win that way? Yes. Should a side with Maradona do that? Not really. Baggio is not adding as much as you are substracting for the sake of including him.

Overall, yes, you can find a way of fitting them all together, but you haven't picked players for a system or built a team around the ultimate star (Maradona). You got many players and then have tried work out how to make them play together, which is bound to deliver a poorer side.
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I asked before, the previous draft winner has Ronaldinho and Messi as LF and RF. Neither actually able to provide width. They appear to be wide players, but come inside most of the time. I don't remember you took them as "rely on fullbacks to provide the width". Then the other finalist went with 4-3-1-2 system. Both teams are actually only rely on their fullbacks to provide width. Would you say their system wouldn't work?
 
Stobzilla said:
I was so close....

-----------Batistuta
--------Rivaldo - Pele

Masopust - Keane - Coluna


feck life.
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According to Antohan, Pele would be wasted there. No width (because you only have fullbacks to rely on).
 
Isotope said:
I asked before, the previous draft winner has Ronaldinho and Messi as LF and RF. Neither actually able to provide width. They appear to be wide players, but come inside most of the time. I don't remember you took them as "rely on fullbacks to provide the width". Then the other finalist went with 4-3-1-2 system. Both teams are actually only rely on their fullbacks to provide width. Would you say their system wouldn't work?
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It was Rivaldo-Messi-Ronaldinho for Gio's side. Yes Ronnie/Rivaldo come inside a lot but will stay wide if that is what the attacking phase is calling for. They were also ably supported by their fullbacks.

Do you have Cafú on the right? Or Zanetti? Are you likely to get anything of that standard?

Do something, go make the teamsheet you are working on and compare it with either of those teams. Do you see your side having the upper hand against theirs? You have the ultimate headstart in Maradona, but somehow I don't see that happening.

Anyhow, you are getting too defensive when everything I'm saying is actual common sense. Do as you wish.
 
Baggio in a nominal wide position makes much less sense than Henry or Rivaldo and all three of Stob's attackers are offering something different to the side. Baggio has a remarkably skillset to Maradona.

Although I do think Pele's potential impact is slightly limited by playing him there. You could play him in any attacking position and he'd be exceptional (unlike Baggio) but he certainly didn't pull out wide regularly.
 
Brwned said:
Baggio in a nominal wide position makes much less sense than Henry or Rivaldo and all three of Stob's attackers are offering something different to the side. Baggio has a remarkably skillset to Maradona.
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I assume you mean remarkably similar, I agree. Maradona is the greatest number ten of all time, adding another ten was literally the last thing that team needed. I can see Baggio offering 60% of what he's capable of at best with Maradona in the team (unless you reduce Maradona contribution too). Shame because I was drooling at the thought of Inesta together with Maradona and a proper striker who excels at different things to them.

Can I Pm my pick to someone? Will probably be offline by the time it's my go..
 
There isn't much between any of these teams, probably one or two standouts but the rest are all about the same IMO
 
Theon said:
There isn't much between any of these teams, probably one or two standouts but the rest are all about the same IMO
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Yeah given the pool you can't really find any weak player, probably the tactics and how well players compliment each other on the pitch would be decisive in the results. Expect most games to be really close.
 
Brwned said:
Baggio in a nominal wide position makes much less sense than Henry or Rivaldo and all three of Stob's attackers are offering something different to the side. Baggio has a remarkably skillset to Maradona.

Although I do think Pele's potential impact is slightly limited by playing him there. You could play him in any attacking position and he'd be exceptional (unlike Baggio) but he certainly didn't pull out wide regularly.
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Maybe going back to GCSE Maths works better than words here:

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Agree Pelé is not doing his very best in that setup by Stob, don't see as big a problem as with Baggio-Maradona though so wasn't going t pick on that facetious remark.
 
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