The Redcafe Champions League Draft

NM said:
What do you mean by "just about getting votes". I PM'd Fergusson. I hope he is online. I only picked right now as I wanted the draft to move along. Otherwise it really isn't fair to BD.

Also what are the thoughts on Giuly this late?
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When you get to the matches. Most of the time it is about convincing people with your tactics how good the team is. You have goals in there with your front four. A well balanced team.
 
The original Puyol.. Miguel Ángel Nadal - The Beast of Barcelona!

An absolute collossus at the back and stalwart component of Cruyff's Dream Team

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The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi
 
:mad: That means you are moving Ferrara to the right!

Simeone would have been perfect for Gio's team IMO
 
Theon said:
:mad: That means you are moving Ferrara to the right!

Simeone would have been perfect for Gio's team IMO
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Well I still have the extra pick, and maybe I will take a right back then.. Could be good having some options depending on what team I will face!

You know I could also have Simeone - Hierro and move Enrique to either RB or AM.. options..
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi

Looks like Iso has gone to bed unfortunately.
 
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Jayvin said:
Great midfield and attack, well balanced. Defense is a bit uninspiring for me.
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What part of it? I saw Popescu as a natural partner for Vidic, while Maicon at his peak was a destructive force on the flank. The pick I had doubts over (Sergi) seems to be well liked by others.
 
NM said:
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What part of it? I saw Popescu as a natural partner for Vidic, while Maicon at his peak was a destructive force on the flank. The pick I had doubts over (Sergi) seems to be well liked by others.
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I think its quite a solid defence. Possibly lacks a bit of pace at centre back though, unless Popescu was faster than I'm giving him credit for at his peak.
 
Isotope said:
Damn. Ziege only has 9 CL. Fecking unbelievable!!
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Yeah, he picked the perfect time to leave Bayern and join Milan to avoid CL football. I think he only played one season CL.
 
Better than Bayern Munich? ;)

Lev Yashin*​
Angloma Campbell Kompany Coentrão​
Albertini -- Redondo​
Boban​
Forlan ---- Ribery​
Eto'o​
 
Protecting our back 4 and partnering his former Valencia teammate, with nearly 500 appearances and the 10 year club captain, with 51 caps for Spain, David Albelda



----------------Cech---------------

Gallas-----Carvalho----Terry----A Cole

----------Mendieta----Albelda---------

Ozil--------------Kaka-------Ronaldinho

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The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 1-. Coentrao
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Ours so far :

GK​
RB/Lahm Cannavaro Chiellini LB/Lahm​
Guardiola​
Baraja - Petit​
McManaman------Hagi​
Romario​

Thoughts?
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I got a lot of shit the last time I played Hagi slightly wide. A lot of people have no memory of him playing wide at all and think he was a CAM only. Just want to point it out for you guys. You guys could remove that factor by moving Hagi centrally and playing Guardiola and Petit behind.
 
Hagi won't stay wide, those are just the starting positions. The left back will provide the width on the left with Chiellini covering for him when he does maraud forward. Guardiola is definitely needed I'd say. He can control the game and pull the strings, so to speak from deeper areas.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Ours so far :

GK​
RB/Lahm Cannavaro Chiellini LB/Lahm​
Guardiola​
Baraja - Petit​
McManaman------Hagi​
Romario​

Thoughts?
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I'm surprised that so many on here see Lahm as a quality option on the left. He's a way better right back and was only in a very specific setup great on the left. You really should find a left back who offers width, if you want to play Hagi as a wide forward imo or play the more defensive version with Chiellini as left back and find another center back. Lahm and McManaman will create tons of chances for Romario and Hagi, imo. Guardiola will create as well, and Hagi will move in the middle a lot, so the left flank could become a bit of a problem defensively.
 
akash02 said:
Hagi won't stay wide, those are just the starting positions. The left back will provide the width on the left with Chiellini covering for him when he does maraud forward. Guardiola is definitely needed I'd say. He can control the game and pull the strings, so to speak from deeper areas.
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Hagi can play wide there is no doubt about it, but if you want votes that isn't the way to go which I experienced first hand in a draft as well.

People don't really research anything before they vote, they go by their own perspective of things which is that Hagi never played centrally.
 
Balu said:
I'm surprised that so many on here see Lahm as a quality option on the left. He's a way better right back and was only in a very specific setup great on the left. You really should find a left back who offers width, if you want to play Hagi as a wide forward imo or play the more defensive version with Chiellini as left back and find another center back. Lahm and McManaman will create tons of chances for Romario and Hagi, imo. Guardiola will create as well, and Hagi will move in the middle a lot, so the left flank could become a bit of a problem defensively.
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You just erased any thoughts I might have had of playing Lahm at LB.

That's the reason why we got Petit. He is defensive minded and can play on the left side of midfield as well and can perfectly cover for an attacking LB.
 
akash02 said:
You just erased any thoughts I might have had of playing Lahm at LB.

That's the reason why we got Petit. He is defensive minded and can play on the left side of midfield as well and can perfectly cover for an attacking LB.
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Fair enough, not a big fan of Petit, but that's probably because I saw more of him when he played in the Bundesliga than of him at Benfica and that's probably not the best way to judge his peak :). But yeah, if you want Petit to cover the left flank defensively, find an attacking left back. Lahm on the left is basically another central midfielder going forward (his left foot is completely useless), it worked great with Ze Roberto providing width, not sure if Petit could do that.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I got a lot of shit the last time I played Hagi slightly wide. A lot of people have no memory of him playing wide at all and think he was a CAM only. Just want to point it out for you guys. You guys could remove that factor by moving Hagi centrally and playing Guardiola and Petit behind.
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It's not really wide. This is a 4-3-2-1 and both Macca and Hagi would be playing behind Romario on either side, like in a x-mas tree formation. Macca would go wide when needed but Hagi would be staying centrally mostly. It will look better in the formation diagram.

Cutch said:
Do you really need Guardiola in there?

I'd ditch him, build the team around Hagi (move him central) and bring in another wideman.
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Yes, he's needed because of his immense creativity and passing range from deep. He is the deep lying playmaker in teh team to make sure there are multiple routes to goal. We don't want a scenario where the AMs encounter a team with tough DMs and the whole build up gets shut down. Pep is a great mix of great defensive ability with great passing and creativity, which is why he's vital to this team while the other two midfielders do the running. It;s again the same xmas tree Milan played with Pep playing the Pirlo role here. Keep the tempo of the game as well.


Balu said:
I'm surprised that so many on here see Lahm as a quality option on the left. He's a way better right back and was only in a very specific setup great on the left. You really should find a left back who offers width, if you want to play Hagi as a wide forward imo or play the more defensive version with Chiellini as left back and find another center back. Lahm and McManaman will create tons of chances for Romario and Hagi, imo. Guardiola will create as well, and Hagi will move in the middle a lot, so the left flank could become a bit of a problem defensively.
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I agree as well, I don't think he's as good on the left as he's on the right but nevertheless he's done the job there multiple times and it won't be out of place IMO to play him there, though that's not what we are planning for but you never know.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
I agree as well, I don't think he's as good on the left as he's on the right but nevertheless he's done the job there multiple times and it won't be out of place IMO to play him there, though that's not what we are planning for but you never know.
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Yeah, for most voters it won't make a difference anyway, imo. In reality the difference would be huge with the tactics you described - not that, he's bad, he can do the job on the left, but he'd be brilliant on the right side.
 
Balu said:
Fair enough, not a big fan of Petit, but that's probably because I saw more of him when he played in the Bundesliga than of him at Benfica and that's probably not the best way to judge his peak :). But yeah, if you want Petit to cover the left flank defensively, find an attacking left back. Lahm on the left is basically another central midfielder going forward (his left foot is completely useless), it worked great with Ze Roberto providing width, not sure if Petit could do that.
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That's a different Petit!
 
Just to be clear the Petit we picked played for Arsenal and scored in the WC final:lol:
 
akash02 said:
Just to be clear the Petit we picked played for Arsenal and scored in the WC final:lol:
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Yeah, makes much more sense. No idea, why I instantly thought about the other one, when I read through the formation.
 
An Irish Red said:
The chemistry of that team would take them a long way in this.

The three behind the forward are ridiculous as well like.
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I'm not sold on it. Ozil on the right wing doesn't make sense to me, and Kaka and Ronaldinho didn't work together in 2006. I see them getting in each others way more often than not - definitely a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Also, if Ozil is cutting inside, then who is providing width on the right flank? They've already stated that Gallas won't be going forward (not that he is capable of a meaningful attacking contribution anyway). Sensational left side though, and a quality midfield.
 
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