The Redcafe Champions League Draft

And now I am pleased to go with Ciro Ferrara. Quality centre back.

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Completing our Mourinho - Chelsea back 4, 84 caps for France. William Gallas


The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Möller 7. Villa 8. Muller
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto
 
Cutch said:
Yep. Gallas could play all across the back four and often played right back with Carvalho-Terry central.
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I remember that. I used to like him before he went mental.

My memories of him now are him crying in a Arsenal game and him threatening to score OGs if he didn't play at CB.

Good player but a nutter :lol:
 
NM said:
I remember that. I used to like him before he went mental.

My memories of him now are him crying in a Arsenal game and him threatening to score OGs if he didn't play at CB.

Good player but a nutter :lol:
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Yep, another 1 that i hope people remember in his prime. He was a fantastic defender on his day. Played a massive part in Chelseas superb defensive displays under Mourinho.
 
Cutch said:
Yep, another 1 that i hope people remember in his prime. He was a fantastic defender on his day. Played a massive part in Chelseas superb defensive displays under Mourinho.
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Completely agree. I just can't think of him without laughing now though. Hope it doesn't hurt you.
 
Joaquin

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Happy to take the man who, between the fall of Figo and the rise of Ronaldo (i.e. 2002-2005), was the best right-winger in Europe.
 
Gio said:
Joaquin

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Happy to take the man who, between the fall of Figo and the rise of Ronaldo (i.e. 2002-2005), was the best right-winger in Europe.
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Best in Europe is a stretch but good player.
 
Delete mate, the latter has not been picked

Cutch - you too.
 
Cutch said:
Yep. Gallas could play all across the back four and often played right back with Carvalho-Terry central.
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I don't remember him playing right-back. I remember him filling in at left-back occasionally. Either way, he's not a natural in either position and he's likely to chuck a tantrum if he's forced to play there. :p
 
Jayvin said:
I don't remember him playing right-back. I remember him filling in at left-back occasionally. Either way, he's not a natural in either position and he's likely to chuck a tantrum if he's forced to play there. :p
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He played right back often when he first moved to Chelsea under Ranieri with Terry and Desailly in the centre. He also played on occasions under Mourinho. He also played there at times for his country. He'll not offer much going forward but as an out and out defender theres few better in their prime.
 
NM said:
That's why I didn't want Anto to mention Evra in his post. Balls.
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EDogen said:
I was always going for him.
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EDogen said:
And now I am pleased to go with Ciro Ferrara. Quality centre back.
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:lol: You do happen to have picked the two players I was spammed with PM abuse for. Ferrara was mentioned (about five words) in the Montero piece earlier and Theon made me edit it because it "talked him up" :nervous:

JaffyJoe said:
Oh k interesting topic but lets not derail another draft thread. Love the Montero piece, a current azzurri defender reminds me of him physically and in style.
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akash02 said:
Giorgio Chiellini
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Burn JJ at the stake as well! :mad:

Theon said:
Delete mate, the latter has not been picked
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I really don't remember a draft with people getting so uptight about players being mentioned. People usually speak freely about picks, post articles, compare with contemporaries and teammates... If there's a massive hidden gem they obviously don't give it away but Patrice Evra? Ciro Ferrara? The right winger above? Really?

You really underestimate your fellow managers if you think they don't all have them shortlisted (or had them and got rid because they don't fancy them).

The greatest fun in the draft is exchanging views on the players and how things will work, etc.
 
Cutch said:
He played right back often when he first moved to Chelsea under Ranieri with Terry and Desailly in the centre. He also played on occasions under Mourinho. He also played there at times for his country. He'll not offer much going forward but as an out and out defender theres few better in their prime.
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I tend to find it becomes difficult justifying a player who is primarily a cb playing as full back. Doesn't seem right considering the fact that your putting a team together from scratch and could have chosen a RB that always plays RB.
 
Cutch said:
He played right back often when he first moved to Chelsea under Ranieri with Terry and Desailly in the centre. He also played on occasions under Mourinho. He also played there at times for his country. He'll not offer much going forward but as an out and out defender theres few better in their prime.
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Fair enough.
 
Cutch said:
He played right back often when he first moved to Chelsea under Ranieri with Terry and Desailly in the centre. He also played on occasions under Mourinho. He also played there at times for his country. He'll not offer much going forward but as an out and out defender theres few better in their prime.
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He did, but I'm with Jayvin that one of the funniest moments of the last decade was him being fed up playing fullback and threatening to score own goals if he didn't get a move to play CB for Arsenal. I will assume your side starts games 2-0 down.
 
Fergus' son said:
I tend to find it becomes difficult justifying a player who is primarily a cb playing as full back. Doesn't seem right considering the fact that your putting a team together from scratch and could have chosen a RB that always plays RB.
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He wouldn't be playing right back in any other set up, its only because he's surrounded by those players that he played his best football with. That and he hasn't won the CL, pretty much the only defender left that we fancied that this applies to.
 
antohan said:
:lol: You do happen to have picked the two players I was spammed with PM abuse for. Ferrara was mentioned (about five words) in the Montero piece earlier and Theon made me edit it because it "talked him up" :nervous:




Burn JJ at the stake as well! :mad:



I really don't remember a draft with people getting so uptight about players being mentioned. People usually speak freely about picks, post articles, compare with contemporaries and teammates... If there's a massive hidden gem they obviously don't give it away but Patrice Evra? Ciro Ferrara? The right winger above? Really?

You really underestimate your fellow managers if you think they don't all have them shortlisted (or had them and got rid because they don't fancy them).

The greatest fun in the draft is exchanging views on the players and how things will work, etc.
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I don't remember any of that in any of the previous drafts, usually people try not to mention any player that hasn't been picked. With certain players it probably doesn't make much of a difference but it's till better not to mention them.

Take Angloma for example, wasn't on my radar at all though he definitely should've been and I watched him many times when he was at his peak. If someone had mentioned him earlier it would've benefited me and maybe adversely affected the person that ended up choosing him.
 
Fergus' son said:
I tend to find it becomes difficult justifying a player who is primarily a cb playing as full back. Doesn't seem right considering the fact that your putting a team together from scratch and could have chosen a RB that always plays RB.
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I would really really like to say something about this, but can't.
 
Cutch said:
He wouldn't be playing right back in any other set up, its only because he's surrounded by those players that he played his best football with. That and he hasn't won the CL, pretty much the only defender left that we fancied that this applies to.
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Yeah, I'm sure you have your reasons but average voters probably wont care. They'll see Gallas the cb coming up against Del Piero or Giggs and vote against you (IMO). Good luck with it!
 
Antohan just stop derailing the thread, you keep doing it and it serves no purpose. You aren't allowed to name players who haven't been picked - that's the rule that is in place.

I'm not really arsed if you don't like it, but it seems fair to me. Evra is an obvious pick, Ferrara less so, but I'm not going to try and impose some arbitrary line on how well known a player has to be in order for him to be mentioned before being picked. This way is simple - it's just a clear rule.

If I had mentioned Angloma before Iso took him would that have been fair? No, because a fair few probably wouldn't have thought of him.

Edit - just seen Fergus has used Angloma as an example as well, but there are plenty.
 
Fergus' son said:
Take Angloma for example, wasn't on my radar at all though he definitely should've been and I ached him many times when he was at his peak. If someone had mentioned him earlier it would've benefited me and maybe adversely affected the person that ended up choosing him.
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Yeah, I have to say when Angloma came up I was pleasantly surprised. I mentioned a bunch of Premier League players though, mostly United ones... Quite different.

I actually edited the Ferrara stuff as requested by Theon as someone could have conceivably not thought about a 90s Serie A defensive stalwart, but Evra? Come on.
 
Just don't mention players before they're picked, I don't see the big deal.
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Möller 7. Villa 8. Muller
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto
 
antohan said:
Yeah, I have to say when Angloma came up I was pleasantly surprised. I mentioned a bunch of Premier League players though, mostly United ones... Quite different.

I actually edited the Ferrara stuff as requested by Theon as someone could have conceivably not thought about a 90s Serie A defensive stalwart, but Evra? Come on.
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Theon said:
I'm not going to try and impose some arbitrary line on how well known a player has to be in order for him to be mentioned before being picked. This way is simple - it's just a clear rule.
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jakec said:
Just don't mention players before they're picked, I don't see the big deal.
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Indeed, Jake.
 
Theon is spot on here. The rule is don't mention any players that haven't been picked.

Simple. And fair.
 
I purposely didn't mention him by name hopefully my hint was not too obvious sorry about that.
 
JaffyJoe said:
I purposely didn't mention him by name hopefully my hint was not too obvious sorry about that.
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It wasn't obvious man, it was a good post and I agree with the similarities very much. Nothing to apologise about at all
 
JaffyJoe said:
I purposely didn't mention him by name hopefully my hint was not too obvious sorry about that.
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Nah, wasn't obvious and you only said what you did as a interesting and valid response to another post. Nothing to be sorry about.
 
I'm not disputing the rule, I'm questioning the aggravation from NM over having mentioned Patrice Evra, a CL winner with Manchester United of all teams.

He is totally convinced I have ruined his draft, I think that is a bit far fetched.

That's all.

I'm not arguing we should all be throwing names around.
 
antohan said:
I'm not disputing the rule, I'm questioning the aggravation from NM over having mentioned Patrice Evra, a CL winner with Manchester United of all teams.

He is totally convinced I have ruined his draft, I think that is a bit far fetched.

That's all.

I'm not arguing we should all be throwing names around.
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:lol:
No way you ruined my draft. It is just easier to blame you rather than myself for nt picking him earlier. :wenger:
 
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