The RedCafe Boxing Thread

I swear you’d get more entertainment going out on a Saturday night and watching a brawl outside of a pub.

Utter joke - these grifters are scamming people, but fair play to them if they can convince those 10 and 11 year olds (and those with similar IQs) to part with their hard earned money.
 
SilentWitness said:
A draw was fair. I think KSI aimed for the knockout but the gameplan was to make sure that if he didn't get that he had enough to draw on points. I think he did enough, especially with deduction, to do that.

Fury should be embarrassed. He's a genuinely terrible boxer for his experience.
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While I agree Fury is not even a British level boxer, the deduction in my view was bs.

KSI’s game plan was basically throw a one two and hold for six rounds, it was pathetic, referee should of deducted him a point for holding by round 4 but chose to just ignore it until he gave him a warning in round 5 and then proceeded to do nothing about it after that.
 
Gringo said:
He landed the best punch in the 2nd round as well. And was competitive in the clinch vs a much bigger man.
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Personally thought Fury won every round from 2-6 (9-9 in round 2 then because of the deduction) while being very poor himself.
 
Baneofthegame said:
While I agree Fury is not even a British level boxer, the deduction in my view was bs.

KSI’s game plan was basically throw a one two and hold for six rounds, it was pathetic, referee should of deducted him a point for holding by round 4 but chose to just ignore it until he gave him a warning in round 5 and then proceeded to do nothing about it after that.
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Of course. The only chance he had of winning was a big punch as he's not a boxer at all. Fury is piss poor for a 'pro'.

Let's not also forget that there was no rehydration clause either. The natural weight for KSI is lower so for Fury to have been taken so close is an embarrassment for him.
 
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Was is everyone complaining about the clinching. They were atleast exchanging in the pocket. Its part of the sport. Stop bloody moaning.
 
SilentWitness said:
Of course. The only chance he had of winning was a big punch as he's not a boxer at all. Fury is piss poor for a 'pro'.

Let's not also forget that there was no rehydration clause either. The natural weight for KSI is lower so for Fury to have been taken so close is an embarrassment for him.
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Absolutely, Fury isn’t going to make it anywhere as a pro, he’s probably made his career money from these two fights.
 
Baneofthegame said:
Absolutely, Fury isn’t going to make it anywhere as a pro, he’s probably made his career money from these two fights.
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Can't remember whether I listened to it on 5 live or talksport but he did an interview and said basically he had two choices... Go the traditional route and fight in front of a few hundred fans for a few thousand quid and work his way up, or fight these YouTubers for seven figures. What would you do if you had very little boxing skill? Get your face caved in for £100,000 or pocket a relatively risk free million?
 
SilentWitness said:
Of course. The only chance he had of winning was a big punch as he's not a boxer at all. Fury is piss poor for a 'pro'.

Let's not also forget that there was no rehydration clause either. The natural weight for KSI is lower so for Fury to have been taken so close is an embarrassment for him.
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He has no knockout power. The few times he managed to catch Fury with one of his wild swings, didn't faze or bother Fury at all.
 
Don't understand the annoyance with this. It's not REALLY boxing. It's as close to boxing as WWE is to wrestling. But who cares, if there is an audience for it then let them all crack on. Nobody is being robbed, the crowd seemed to lap it all up and the competitors made good money for what is amateur boxing at best.

Best part of the night was the Fury in ring interview "there will never be another Tyson Fury, I'm just trying to be the best Tommy Fury I can be". Fair play to him, making money for him and his family.
 
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He has no knockout power. The few times he managed to catch Fury with one of his wild swings, didn't faze or bother Fury at all.
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Because they're not the same weight class. Fury is the division above KSI realistically and KSI is a YouTuber that took up boxing a few years ago. Fury has been fighting since he was a kid.
 
antsmithmk said:
Can't remember whether I listened to it on 5 live or talksport but he did an interview and said basically he had two choices... Go the traditional route and fight in front of a few hundred fans for a few thousand quid and work his way up, or fight these YouTubers for seven figures. What would you do if you had very little boxing skill? Get your face caved in for £100,000 or pocket a relatively risk free million?
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I’m not holding it against him, but originally before he did love island etc. he claimed he was going to be a world champion and so on.

Which simply isn’t true and like I said, he’s made his career money from these two fights, so well done to him.
 
I don't quite understand how he can come from a family of boxing gypsies and be so bad at it. His brother is categorically one of the most skilled on the planet and yet he can't even box to a pro level? That's an extremely low bar relative to the training and family he's coming from.

Baby Benn, baby Eubank, baby Hatton all at least made the bar. His own family make it the most damning, though and I don't get how he can come from that stock and literally be a YouTube boxer standard.

These fights are blessings for him to be fair: he's making far more money than he ever would toughing it as a rank climber, and for a literal fraction of the damage and health concerns. He should be offering KSI a rematch and hamming the robbed angle to the utmost to fire up KSI's following and see if they'll be stupid enough to pay for the privilege of watching them go at it again under a justice/revenge arc. It's his only realistic hope of making anything like this amount of money again in boxing; with that performance, he's a reality star putting on gloves, just like his opponents; the pro angle has gone for him now.

I don't think this stuff tarnishes boxing. The only damage done is to Tommy's own career and reputation, and it's him who risks being jettisoned and exiled. These freakshow bouts were undertaken by Ali himself, with zero harm to his standing. It's the boxers with everything to lose, should they be defeated. Boxing itself remains untarnished: you either show that you represent what being a superior pugilist is, or you're no longer able to call yourself a pro without being seen as a joke, should you be troubled under the Queensbury rules that should leave the non-pro floundering.
 
Thinking about Fury vs KSI, Paul etc. I think the reason he looks so bad compared to them too is that they actually care about boxing. I sometimes feel like Fury doesn't care as much as he lets on about it but feels like the pressure of being part of that family means he's got to push through it.
 
SilentWitness said:
Thinking about Fury vs KSI, Paul etc. I think the reason he looks so bad compared to them too is that they actually care about boxing. I sometimes feel like Fury doesn't care as much as he lets on about it but feels like the pressure of being part of that family means he's got to push through it.
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I do not mind what Fury is doing here, he's being offered fights vrs complete amateurs for very good money so why not take it ?

He's basically a novice himself tbh even though he keeps saying he's a professional fighter, I think its fair to say his professional boxing career will not amount to much because he has way too many distractions outside of the ring to fully commit to a life of a professional fighter.

I think he is a better fighter than what he has shown in these last 2 fights but the huge pressure he must be under to win these fights is having an effect.
 
SteveCoppellFan said:
I do not mind what Fury is doing here, he's being offered fights vrs complete amateurs for very good money so why not take it ?

He's basically a novice himself tbh even though he keeps saying he's a professional fighter, I think its fair to say his professional boxing career will not amount to much because he has way too many distractions outside of the ring to fully commit to a life of a professional fighter.

I think he is a better fighter than what he has shown in these last 2 fights but the huge pressure he must be under to win these fights is having an effect.
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He's looked wank against absolute no marks aswell. The pressure stuff doesn't cut it for me, I just don't think he has the passion and drive in him that boxing is everything like Tyson. He wouldn't have gone on Love Island and be involved in all the other stuff.
 
SilentWitness said:
He's looked wank against absolute no marks aswell. The pressure stuff doesn't cut it for me, I just don't think he has the passion and drive in him that boxing is everything like Tyson. He wouldn't have gone on Love Island and be involved in all the other stuff.
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Probably not but it's well known he does struggle under the pressure. His dad and brother have both been saying it for years, way before he even started fighting against people from youtube. I don't think he's a very good fighter but definitely think the pressure in these two fights have effected his performances. It's probably what will stop him from ever being a good fighter too, some people just mentally struggle with it and I think that's what we are seeing with him. It was happening before these fights because he had the Fury name which came with massive pressure and a huge spotlight. Hopefully he makes as much money as he can from it all.
 
JP77 said:
Probably not but it's well known he does struggle under the pressure. His dad and brother have both been saying it for years, way before he even started fighting against people from youtube. I don't think he's a very good fighter but definitely think the pressure in these two fights have effected his performances. It's probably what will stop him from ever being a good fighter too, some people just mentally struggle with it and I think that's what we are seeing with him. It was happening before these fights because he had the Fury name which came with massive pressure and a huge spotlight. Hopefully he makes as much money as he can from it all.
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I think he's just crap and so do most fighting professionals.
 
SilentWitness said:
I think he's just crap and so do most fighting professionals.
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He’s very crap but I feel weirdly sorry for him. He’s got the Fury name but all the ability just passed him by :lol:
That said, I’m not invested in this scene and it may be that he’s a cnut undeserving of sympathy
 
Gentleman Jim said:
"Silent ban" is the persistent rumour if that means anything.
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Silent ban from boxing ? Oooof I prefer not to think what you'd have to do for that.

Wonder if Fury T. will try to carry Ngannou for the show. I think he should have but with the Usyk fight planned after I'm not sure what would be the better strategy.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Silent ban from boxing ? Oooof I prefer not to think what you'd have to do for that.

Wonder if Fury T. will try to carry Ngannou for the show. I think he should have but with the Usyk fight planned after I'm not sure what would be the better strategy.
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Francis will be gassed as feck after a couple of rounds anyway, he’s never been built for long fights (and doesn’t generally need to be tbf). No way Fury has to do anything special after round 3
 
T00lsh3d said:
Francis will be gassed as feck after a couple of rounds anyway, he’s never been built for long fights (and doesn’t generally need to be tbf). No way Fury has to do anything special after round 3
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Yeah but if he can should he try to end it early to make a big splash or drag it ?

I don't think there's any rational debate Ngannou has more than a puncher's chance. I can't imagine he suddenly built his cardio to sustain 12 x 3mn from a baseline of 5 x 5 or 3 x 5 (plus the technical gap in boxing proper).
 
Plastic Evra said:
Yeah but if he can should he try to end it early to make a big splash or drag it ?

I don't think there's any rational debate Ngannou has more than a puncher's chance. I can't imagine he suddenly built his cardio to sustain 12 x 3mn from a baseline of 5 x 5 or 3 x 5 (plus the technical gap in boxing proper).
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Francis’ baseline is more like 60 seconds :lol:

I’ve no idea how it’ll go. I’m not expecting much, maybe a few early fireworks then a lot of knackered hugging. Expecting it to be any more than a shitfest is asking for disappointment
 
Plastic Evra said:
Silent ban from boxing ? Oooof I prefer not to think what you'd have to do for that.

Wonder if Fury T. will try to carry Ngannou for the show. I think he should have but with the Usyk fight planned after I'm not sure what would be the better strategy.
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Fury will toy with him to drag it out. It's a nothing fight and he's no reason to take any risks. He'll take him out to the deep water where he's never been. I reckon it'll be quite boring.
 
I'd actually pay to seen Mike Tyson Vs Fury's dad, I'd pay like £200 for all 13 seconds of it.

Jumped up feckin gobshite, can't stand the bloke.
 
One Night Only said:
I'd actually pay to seen Mike Tyson Vs Fury's dad, I'd pay like £200 for all 13 seconds of it.

Jumped up feckin gobshite, can't stand the bloke.
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Living off his son's career, constantly tries to steal the limelight from Tyson Fury and basically makes himself looks like a complete idiot every time.

Yesterday, he took it to a complete new level :)

Considering his own boxing career was a complete waste of time and got his backside handed to him on a plate by various journeyman, you would think he would pipe down these days, but no, he acts like he had a career to match Ali himself.

There is delusions of grander .. and then there is Mr John Fury.
 
SteveCoppellFan said:
Living off his son's career, constantly tries to steal the limelight from Tyson Fury and basically makes himself looks like a complete idiot every time.

Yesterday, he took it to a complete new level :)

Considering his own boxing career was a complete waste of time and got his backside handed to him on a plate by various journeyman, you would think he would pipe down these days, but no, he acts like he had a career to match Ali himself.

There is delusions of grander .. and then there is Mr John Fury.
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do people actually take him seriously, I certainly don't. He's basically a promoter these days, working off the basis if you are talking about him it's promoting the fight. That's 2 fights in a row where he has gone even more ott than normal. 2 fights that weren't generating much interest with the public. I'd put the mortgage on it than he and Mike Tyson are friendly with each other behind the scenes. He's WWE level of showmanship right now, it's fake, it's cringey, but he works off the assumption no publicity is bad. Don't take him seriously, in the middle of his tirade he praises the god almighty. We'd call him stupid for his actions, he feels he's being smart, and if his actions add a few more gullible ppv buys, he'll feel he's done his job.
 
Recent BBC article on Fury.

“Tyson Fury is on the cusp of legend status. That is just about irrefutable. Perhaps he is even in the mix of the debate about all-time great heavyweights.”

People genuinely get paid to write stuff like this. I completely understand the Klitschko fight is a massive feather in his cap, despite Wlad being 39 at the time. However from the rest of the names, Wilder is the only one that remotely stands out. Sure it’s not his fault that he’s fighting in 2023 and not 1973, but get out of here with this all time great shit.
 
Dan_F said:
Recent BBC article on Fury.

“Tyson Fury is on the cusp of legend status. That is just about irrefutable. Perhaps he is even in the mix of the debate about all-time great heavyweights.”

People genuinely get paid to write stuff like this. I completely understand the Klitschko fight is a massive feather in his cap, despite Wlad being 39 at the time. However from the rest of the names, Wilder is the only one that remotely stands out. Sure it’s not his fault that he’s fighting in 2023 and not 1973, but get out of here with this all time great shit.
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Ideally what happens is he beats Francis, then fights Usyk and if he beats him and Joshua beats Wilder we can have a huge Fury vs Joshua fight and then it seals the deal if he beats them all tbf.
 
SilentWitness said:
Ideally what happens is he beats Francis, then fights Usyk and if he beats him and Joshua beats Wilder we can have a huge Fury vs Joshua fight and then it seals the deal if he beats them all tbf.
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I hope so, but it seems a long way off. In fact I don’t really hope so, I’d rather Usyk beats him, but I don’t see it. There’s potential for rematches all over the place with those fights, before we even think about Fury v Joshua.

I will laugh if the same fans who have been calling Joshua shit for years, then use a win over him to somehow elevate Tyson up to best-ever status.
 
Dan_F said:
Recent BBC article on Fury.

“Tyson Fury is on the cusp of legend status. That is just about irrefutable. Perhaps he is even in the mix of the debate about all-time great heavyweights.”

People genuinely get paid to write stuff like this. I completely understand the Klitschko fight is a massive feather in his cap, despite Wlad being 39 at the time. However from the rest of the names, Wilder is the only one that remotely stands out. Sure it’s not his fault that he’s fighting in 2023 and not 1973, but get out of here with this all time great shit.
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Boxers can only ever look great in the context of the era they're fighting in. And this isn't a terrible era by any stretch.

What any boxer has to do to be in that conversation, is dominate their division and beat every contender available.

I'm no Fury fan, frankly I can't stand him. But, if he manages to beat Usyk (most accomplished cruiserweight of all time), AJ and take a couple more mandatories with the likes of Zhang, then he would be justifiably in the 'all time great' conversation.

Far from guaranteed though, as Usyk and AJ could prove to be his most challenging fights to date.

The only blemish he'd have is that, with the exception of Wilder, he didn't fight any contenders in their prime. AJ is a shadow of the fighter he was. Klitschko was past it. Whyte was already shot. Usyk is no spring chicken, and there's literally nobody else of note on his resume.

He's also been pretty inactive over his career and these exhibition fights do nothing for his legacy
 
If Francis goes head-hunting, it'll be like a bad YouTuber being carried by a decent pro; hopefully his whole camp has been about working to the body and learning how to clinch, eventually mixing headshots after prolonged bodywork.

Fury has promised to meet him in the centre of the ring and not use his movement. I don't think it's a blag; he said and did the exact same to Wilder, there's no reason to doubt he can do the same to N'Gannou if he feels like it, and at least give the impression there's a contest to be had.

I doubt Francis can do 2 high octane rounds, let alone 3; I hope he has some head movement and has a clue how to work behind a guard.

Fury is a lot more erratic and unpredictable than Floyd, who decided to carry McGregor. I think Fury is as likely to knock him out early as he is to carry him to a decision, but there's no way Francis can do 12 rounds, so what that's saying is: carry him until he basically collapses.

I'm going to go with K.O. inside two rounds.
 
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